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[10:38:11] <Aria> So I tried that new Tekken
[10:38:21] <Aria> I was not expecting that new Tekken.
[10:38:59] <Apsup> You were not expecting new Tekken to be a new Tekken?
[10:39:07] <Aria> Exactly
[10:39:24] <Aria> It's mostly a good time, because I like Tekken a lot, but I can't get behind a lot of the Tekken 7 specifics
[10:39:31] <Aria> Like, the camera is way too close
[10:40:04] <Apsup> I'm pretty sure the camera has always been pretty close by default. Lots of up close brawling in that, so there is need to get in there.
[10:40:11] <Aria> Someone made a FoV hack, which fixes it, but since the game is always online, there is a chance it'll get patched out
[10:40:36] <Aria> I found it hard to read the moves because the ends of the characters were off screen
[10:41:03] <Aria> And people's heads were constantly obscured by the HUD
[10:41:13] <Apsup> Wait. How close are we talking close? That doesn't sound right.
[10:41:29] <Aria> Um.. like 6, but slightly closer
[10:41:38] <Aria> It's not unreasonably close, its just too close to be comfortable
[10:42:09] <Aria> https://i.ytimg.com
[10:42:11] <Aria> Like that
[10:42:49] <Aria> Might be a PC problem, because on the Steam forums some people seemed to have the opposite problem where the camera was very far away
[10:43:17] <Apsup> Yea, do you have some more obscure resolution or screen size?
[10:43:25] <Apsup> ratio.
[10:43:31] <Apsup> that was the word I was thinking of.
[10:44:00] <Aria> Nah, it's 16:9. I would've known what to blame if I had something odd
[10:44:49] <Apsup> Odd. Sounds like it could be a PC problem with wrong setting somewhere, but I trust you have checked everything properly.
[10:45:10] <Aria> Resolution is more obscure, it's UHD, game is built for FHD. But I would think the aspect ratio is the only factor in camera position
[10:45:33] <Aria> I mean, the game doesn't have settings, and its not so close that I don't believe it to be intentional. I just think it's a bad choice
[10:46:21] <Aria> I only increased the FoV by 10% with the hack and that made all the difference in the world. So it's not-- very far off where you would want the camera
[10:46:33] <Aria> Also there is a lot of that UE4 jank
[10:46:39] <Aria> Which I didn't expect from a AAA game
[10:46:53] <Aria> A lot of bad transitions, a lot of TAA artifacts
[10:47:35] <Aria> Oh and why can't you toggle the grain? You can if you set post fx quality low, but just give me a grain toggle. There is a motion blur toggle. The grain is bad
[10:47:42] <Aria> Sometimes I like grain, but not here
[10:48:28] <Aria> Also I don't like how they look when they're sweaty, because their faces don't have defined sweat. Their bodies do, but their faces just become uniformally glossy and it's bad
[10:49:02] <Aria> Anyway, so those are the technical things I don't like. As for the game:
[10:49:05] <Aria> Why does it have supers?!
[10:49:11] <Aria> Since when does Tekken have supers?
[10:49:16] <Apsup> There is apparently ways to get the grain off, but that takes external means.
[10:49:22] <Apsup> Since Tekken 7
[10:49:29] <Aria> I don't want supers =(
[10:49:48] <Apsup> Gotta do something new on ocassion.
[10:50:10] <Aria> It's 4K and on a PC, that's enough
[10:50:34] <Aria> What I like about Tekken is that it's so consistent and fair. Everything is as you expect, and you can teach someone the rules in a minute
[10:50:47] <Aria> But with supers, now you need to know everybody's super tell
[10:51:04] <Aria> And also it means you have to change your strategy when the other guy enters rage
[10:51:17] <Apsup> The super tell is zoom out and cinematic. Only thing you really need to know with them, for whom you need to block low
[10:51:30] <Aria> That's plenty
[10:51:43] <Aria> Because there's like 20+ characters
[10:52:19] <Apsup> Well, even without supers to be really good you have to know what chains your opponent has, especially those that mix highs mids and lows.
[10:52:34] <Apsup> There's quite a large burder of knowledge in Tekken to play it at efficient level.
[10:53:12] <Aria> It used to be the odus was on the guy in rage to change his play style and take the hand out from the game. It was a catch up mechanic, but it also had the chance to backfire if you got greedy. Now the attacker is the one who has to be careful instead, since if you are aggressive you are open for being supered
[10:54:02] <Aria> Also I feel like there are way more armour and unblockables in this
[10:54:22] <Apsup> Armor moves are a new thing, I don't think there are any more unblockables than before.
[10:55:03] <Aria> I haven't played since 6. But in 6 I don't remember any unblockables that weren't super telegraphed
[10:55:16] <Apsup> They are all super telegraphed in 7 too.
[10:55:29] <Apsup> The usual flashy flash before them is still there.
[10:56:08] <Aria> They are slow moves sure, but they aren't telegraphed as unblockable. Unless I'm missing the tell?
[10:56:33] <Apsup> There should be the bright full body glow, like before.
[10:56:38] <Aria> Anyway, I like Tekken for introducing people to fighting games. But this one is all trope-y and has all the problems of other fighting games
[10:57:04] <Aria> Also Gouki's nose is too big?
[10:57:22] <Apsup> It's following the stylation of his SF4 model, I think.
[10:57:37] <Apsup> Makes him quite goofy looking next to Tekken characters.
[10:57:38] <Aria> Yeah, it just looks off next to the Tekken guys
[10:57:48] <Aria> Claudio's hands are also too big?
[10:58:26] <Aria> Also wasn't Lee slim? He wasn't in 6, but I remember him being slim in 4/tag
[10:58:51] <Apsup> I think his body is pretty much same as before.
[10:59:06] <Apsup> It's not like he is super buff here ether.
[10:59:31] <Aria> No, but he has broad pants. I wanted slimmer pants.. it's a small thing
[10:59:51] <Aria> I'm very happy to have a Tekken on PC, and this one isn't terrible. But it isn't everything I was looking for either
[10:59:53] <Apsup> Man can have variable fashion choises. Also customisation.
[10:59:53] <Aria> Such as no supers
[11:00:05] <Aria> Oh yeah I haven't looked into that
[11:00:15] <Aria> Yeah that's good. 6 had that and I liked it a lot
[11:00:43] <Aria> How do you earn money?
[11:01:01] <Aria> Oh yeah, also what's up with the menu?
[11:01:15] <Apsup> Doing basically anything. But unlocking most customics needs to be done in Treasure battle, or playing a lot.
[11:01:23] <Aria> You need to hit like, down down down, circle, down down down circle to get into the character select
[11:01:26] <Aria> as opposed to just circle
[11:06:26] <Apsup> Well, I'm off to store to get something to suff in my mouth.
[11:07:04] <Aria> Lady raven is stupid!
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[18:49:37] <Aria> Are you watching EA_
[18:51:22] <Aria> (It's in 9 minutes)
[18:51:28] <Aria> (The press conference)
[18:51:42] <Aria> No Peter Moore this time! That'll be exciting
[18:52:01] <Aria> Not-- that it's exciting to not have Peter Moore, I like Peter Moore
[18:52:15] <Aria> But yknow, it's different
[18:52:49] <Aria> Maybe Peter Moore will still be here, repping Fifa/Liverpool
[18:53:03] <Aria> Wait Battlefront III?
[18:53:09] <Aria> Are they supposed to be showing that?
[19:03:02] <Apsup> I'm "watching" giantbomb guys watch E3.
[19:03:20] <Apsup> How much I focus on that, we'll see.
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[20:26:01] <Bronzdragon> Hello
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