#geeknights | Logs for 2017-05-17

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[05:56:49] <Bronz|work> Good mornin'
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[08:05:27] <Apsup> Morning
[08:08:12] <Bronz|work> At work, they're celebrating '17 mai', which is a very uninmaginative name for Norway's national day.
[08:08:25] <Bronz|work> I got a cake which has Norway's colours.
[08:14:53] <Apsup> Congratulations? Or something.
[08:15:20] <Bronz|work> Thanks? Or whatever.
[08:15:26] <Bronz|work> I'm just glad I got a cake.
[08:17:04] <Apsup> That's always a good thing.
[08:17:10] <Apsup> Except if it's bad cake.
[08:17:19] <Bronz|work> That's true.
[08:17:23] <Bronz|work> Or if you get it in your face.
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[21:55:08] <Bronzdragon> Hello
[21:59:06] <Apsup> Evening.
[22:00:24] <Aria> Hi
[22:00:43] <Apsup> Irc channel for Finnish gaming podcast has rasism discussion hour going on.
[22:01:03] <Apsup> It's tiring. I usually keep out of such talks, but this time got involved.
[22:01:08] <Apsup> Trying to be a good person.
[22:01:12] <Apsup> Wasting time.
[22:01:16] <Aria> Oh yeah good luck with that
[22:01:43] <Aria> My Norwegian gaming podcast has a time to Hitler of about 2 minutes on average at the start of the episode
[22:02:00] <Aria> Though I think it's fun
[22:02:54] <Aria> Coming up with quiz questions is hard
[22:04:18] <Apsup> I haven't even listened the podcast in months.
[22:04:53] <Aria> The one I mentioned above is probably the only podcast I've listened to in about a month or two
[22:04:55] <Apsup> Though the problem is more in few channel members. It's a bit bigger channel than this.
[22:05:03] <Aria> I should take longer baths.
[22:06:02] <Aria> Is Finland shifting towards conservatism?
[22:10:58] <Apsup> Well, kinda not really. We let the "True Finns" -party in the govenrment and their popularity plummeted, and they are the most right wing, anti-EU, diet racsit group in the parlament.
[22:11:25] <Apsup> Somehow it's lot easier to be smart-ass as a opposition party, but when they get the power to fix things, shit stays as shit.
[22:12:19] <Apsup> Of course for some years now there has been more visible anti-imigration attitudes and such, but I'd say it's relatively minor.
[22:13:06] <Aria> Alright, no England then.
[22:13:14] <Aria> That's cool.
[22:14:18] <Apsup> I think we are lucky that our system keep multiple parties in the parlament, and even the government is spilt between whatever two parties are biggest after election.
[22:14:32] <Aria> Ours does as well
[22:14:48] <Apsup> Although, that also means that things can stand still in endless tug of war.
[22:18:53] <Bronzdragon> That is still better than the alternative.
[22:21:49] <Apsup> Sure.
[22:22:20] <Apsup> Although from last few governments have agreed on one thing. Less support for students.
[22:22:36] <Apsup> One already gets more money for being unemployed bum here than being a student.
[22:23:15] <Aria> How does that work?
[22:23:33] <Aria> If you're an unemployed student, are you then not eligible for regular unemployment benefits?
[22:24:21] <Apsup> Students apply for student benefits, if you apply as unemployed, you basically need to activelly search for employment.
[22:24:35] <Apsup> Of course there can be all kinds of special cases.
[22:26:01] <Aria> If you're searching for work, I'm not sure if you should be counted as a bum. Bum is very negative, sorta implies being lazy
[22:26:24] <Aria> It makes sense, if you're an adult, you probably have higher finical needs
[22:26:35] <Aria> If you're a student, you might be young and have guardians
[22:26:58] <Bronzdragon> I dunno, studying is expensive, and if you're living on your own, you have the same costs other adults might have.
[22:27:57] <Aria> Studying isn't mandatory though. We should fund peoples educations. But if that isn't your end goal, then you can easily argue that you should only study if you can afford to study. But everyone should be able to eat regardless of how much they studied
[22:28:13] <Apsup> Well, students do have some benefits, like many places have cheap appartments for students, but that's something that not everyone can get.
[22:28:30] <Bronzdragon> While that's true, investing in people education tends to pay out in the long run.
[22:28:38] <Bronzdragon> (financially, that is)
[22:29:08] <Apsup> I'm all for basic pay for every citizen to replace basic social security.
[22:29:41] <Aria> ^
[22:29:54] <Apsup> Of course there still would need to be systems to help people with specific monetary problems, but at least everyone could live and eat by default.
[22:30:24] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, living and eating sound like nice things.
[22:30:40] <Aria> Problem then becomes it's too expensive. Curated payouts rely on lower overall payouts, so we can pay the curators
[22:30:55] <Aria> If you're gonna have the higher basic income payout, plus curators, you're spending more money on welfare
[22:31:20] <Bronzdragon> Not if you include higher taxes, which balance the payouts out.
[22:31:42] <Bronzdragon> So if you're doing ok in earnings, you pay your current tax and the guaranteed income back, basically.
[22:31:57] <Bronzdragon> Anyway, gonna sit on the couch with Aria.
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[22:32:25] <Aria> Oh okay. Well bye. Talk to you tomorrow!
[22:33:01] <Apsup> night