#geeknights | Logs for 2017-01-19

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[07:03:21] <Aria> Ho
[07:08:13] <Apsup> Morning.
[07:08:24] <Aria> How are you?
[07:08:40] <Apsup> Good, fine.
[07:08:45] <Apsup> Morning coffee.
[07:08:49] <Apsup> Breakfast.
[07:08:54] <Apsup> All the good stuff going on.
[07:08:59] <Bronz|work> Hello!
[07:09:08] <Apsup> Will go to visit parents again, this weekend. Good food incoming.
[07:09:10] <Aria> Sounds good. I'm kinda hungry, now that you mention it
[07:09:13] <Apsup> Hello to Bronze too.
[07:09:53] <Aria> Drew did a playthrough of Metal Gear Rising
[07:09:59] <Apsup> I did watch it.
[07:10:01] <Aria> It was fun. Also very frustrating
[07:10:09] <Apsup> He never figured out the lock on button.
[07:10:10] <Aria> Second best Metal Gear game
[07:10:15] <Aria> Nope
[07:10:19] <Apsup> Also, didn't get the dodge move on store.
[07:10:50] <Aria> Also never figured out the Japanese on screen meant hold R for cut mode
[07:10:51] <Apsup> Sometimes I wonder if Drew would have had better time playing Metal Gears on his own, with time to actually figure stuff out. Or if he even had actually compitent co-pilot.
[07:11:14] <Aria> Vinny is such a good co pilot
[07:11:29] <Aria> I wish they had one of him for every other staff member
[07:11:52] <Apsup> Just bunch of Vinny clones all around.
[07:12:34] <Aria> So you've played Rising then I take it. Have you played the other ones?
[07:12:38] <Apsup> Oh, Elite: Dangerous and new Ranking of Fighters videos incoming, later today.
[07:12:47] <Aria> Oh yeah?
[07:13:08] <Apsup> Haven't played 4, or most of the handheld spinoffs, but other Metal Gears yes.
[07:13:09] <Aria> I Kickstarted Elite, but I lost access to that account
[07:13:29] <Apsup> I got bored with it before I was able to grind enough money to do interesting stuff.
[07:13:39] <Apsup> It's too slow of a start.
[07:13:49] <Aria> Felt super burnt, because its always online, so didn't care that I hadn't redeemd my code. But now I kinda want to
[07:14:51] <Aria> Thing is, it's good enough to be a real video game
[07:15:15] <Aria> And its also VR compatible. Most VR games are, compared to real games, very cheap
[07:15:49] <Aria> So when something is a real video game and also a VR video game, I want to play it
[07:16:28] <Aria> 4 is good. And when you say handheld spinoffs, do you mean Mobile and Touch and stuff?
[07:16:46] <Aria> Or do you mean Peace Walker. Because Peace Walker isn't a spinoff also is the best in the series
[07:17:07] <Apsup> Mean like Ghost Babylon on GBC, or Portable Ops. Peace Walker I played like 80% of.
[07:17:23] <Aria> Is 80% of enough to fight dinosaurs?
[07:17:24] <Apsup> Also the card games on PSP, haven't played beyond trying them a bit.
[07:17:36] <Aria> Fair enough. I also haven't played Acid
[07:18:03] <Aria> (Or Ghost Babel really. I tried it once)
[07:20:19] <Bronz|work> What I didn't like was that Dan was so insistant on "Just play it on easy", meaning Drew didn't have to learn or attempt to learn any of the systems.
[07:21:08] <Apsup> Sure, but not sure if watching them struggle through some bosses would have been too much fun ether.
[07:21:23] <Apsup> It's not like they would have started to pay attention to things when the game required it.
[07:21:33] <Bronz|work> Yeah, but you can always turn it down if it's too much.
[07:22:53] <Apsup> I guess.
[07:23:36] <Bronz|work> At least pick the option that doesn't auto-block, so you know how the block works at least.
[07:23:49] <Bronz|work> That's how I feel.
[07:24:13] <Apsup> It wasn't technically "auto block", the parry just didn't care about right direction so spamming ligth attack autoparried.
[07:24:49] <Apsup> But that happens easily even without the auto-system, just mash x and you probably instictively push towards opponent anyways.
[07:25:22] <Aria> If you play on hard or whatever, you die like twice during the tutorial and then afterwards they know how to play. Would've been shorter in the long run, because he wouldn't be slashing at people inefficiently and dying on enemies with obvious counters
[07:26:19] <Apsup> I'm not sure. During the whole series of Metal Gear Scanlons, Drew seemed to trust Dan to teach him the meachanics he needs, and didn't bother paying attention to learning stuff.
[07:26:41] <Apsup> And then Dan didn't know shit and struggles were had.
[07:29:05] <Aria> =/ I felt frustrated that he didn't engage with the mechanics that were there. But still, fun series
[07:29:40] <Aria> If you have a PS3, you should try MGS4. It's surprisingly good
[07:30:23] <Apsup> I have planned of getting the legacy collection. Eventually.
[07:31:07] <Aria> I like the shooter controls a lot. More so than V. Though V also had good shooter controls. And the Pacman was good, where V doesn't have any Pacman, because they have stealth game instead.
[07:31:30] <Aria> I think you can just stream it off their cloud PS3 streaming thing if you pay for Xbox Live
[07:31:33] <Aria> Playstaiton Live
[07:31:37] <Aria> Gold
[07:31:39] <Aria> Plus
[07:31:43] <Aria> Playstation PLus
[07:31:50] <Apsup> Plus is different form the streaming thing.
[07:32:02] <Apsup> Also, why would I stream an action game.
[07:32:27] <Bronz|work> MGS4 is a stealth game, and while it's about timing, I don't think it'll be that bad streamed
[07:32:31] <Bronz|work> Except for the action parts.
[07:32:48] <Apsup> yea, no.
[07:32:58] <Aria> The image doesn't move very fast. If you're worried about compression. Though input speed probably matters for that game, yeah
[07:33:49] <Aria> Like, there isn't a lot of particles on screen and fast camera motions that will work poorly with bframe based compression is what I mean
[07:40:01] <Aria> I wonder if I can do a version of Donkey Kong 64 where its online 5 players and all the characters are out at once
[07:40:42] <Aria> So instead of having to switch to press a button and switch again to pick up a banana, now you and your team mates can be doing different things within view of each other
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[08:08:51] <Bronz|work> I read that kitkats got popular in Japan becase "Kitto katsu" means "will definetly win".
[08:09:10] <Bronz|work> So I guess we'll have to make candy that's called "Guaranteed success?
[08:10:08] <Aria> I see, that seems plausible, yeah. That's cool
[08:10:38] <Apsup> Kitkats also taste super good.
[08:10:40] <Aria> I'm super tired already, gosh
[08:10:44] <Bronz|work> That's true
[08:10:51] <Bronz|work> Super tired?
[08:10:58] <Bronz|work> Like, beyond normal tired?
[08:11:09] <Apsup> I'm fine, though I didn't sleep enough last night. Been sleeping quite badly lately.
[08:11:15] <Aria> Okay I take that back. Regular tired
[08:11:22] <Apsup> Coffee helps?
[08:11:28] <Aria> I think I've been sleeping worse
[08:11:34] <Aria> Not fewer hours, just worse
[08:12:36] <Apsup> For me it's little bit of both.
[08:13:01] <Apsup> Wake up after too few hours of sleep and then don't get properly back alsleep.
[08:13:36] <Apsup> Like last night I woke up at 4am, then 5am, then 5:30am and I just gave up soon after that.
[08:14:32] <Aria> You're into FE. Were you happy with the FE Direct?
[08:14:45] <Apsup> But I'm not.
[08:14:50] <Aria> Oh.
[08:14:51] <Apsup> Didn't even watch the direct.
[08:14:58] <Apsup> Haven't finished a single FE game.
[08:15:01] <Aria> Well, don't
[08:15:05] <Aria> Oh no?
[08:15:16] <Aria> Anyway, the direct was very short and very badly put together
[08:15:30] <Aria> Had a terrible voice over over the entire thing
[08:15:35] <Aria> That mobile FE is gross
[08:15:50] <Aria> They showed like 2 seconds of footage of FE Musou
[08:16:14] <Aria> Said with words "There will be a real FE for Switch, honest mum", but then didn't show or announce anything
[08:16:48] <Aria> They showed a new FE for 3DS. I mean that looked good, fine, whatever.
[08:17:05] <Aria> But the Direct as a whole was bad
[08:17:21] <Apsup> They just wanted to remind people that FEs are coming.
[08:21:58] <Bronz|work> I like the idea of "Here's a nintendo direct with a specific theme", like they did with Smash.
[08:22:16] <Aria> Oh yeah, for sure
[08:22:21] <Bronz|work> But if it had been half the lenght, it would've been much better.
[08:22:28] <Aria> No no no
[08:22:31] <Aria> Make it longer
[08:22:45] <Bronz|work> Or if, right before that mobile game, they said "Ok, thanks for watching, bye. You can watch this if you want"
[08:22:59] <Bronz|work> And then of course you'd watch it because what if there's something else, but you wouldn't feel like you had to?
[08:23:03] <Aria> Make it more dry and 'normal' direct, instead of annoying ass RPG protag voice over in lore garbage they did
[08:23:38] <Aria> Show a bunch of the musou game. I mean, I don't care about the musou game, but if its coming out in 5 months, you have more than literally two seconds of gameplay
[08:24:16] <Aria> Show something from the switch game. Anything. It can be concept art with the director dryly explaining what the story is
[08:24:29] <Aria> Spend time on the amiibo
[08:24:55] <Aria> Again, I don't care about the amiibo, but if they had padded this out, it would've been a lot less disappointing
[08:28:32] <Aria> They could've also paid lip service to whatever licensed stuff they have. Cafes, comics, expensive toys, whatever. Like, you don't ACTUALLY need to sell me on the product, just say the shortest version of "X also exists", so that it feels like there is a bunch happening in Fire Emblem
[08:31:44] <Bronz|work> Yeah, alright.
[08:52:49] <Aria> Turns out I like Top Gear
[09:05:18] <Bronz|work> Top gear is top TV
[09:21:58] <Aria> Do they ever get hurt?
[09:22:16] <Bronz|work> I haven't ever seen them get hurt.
[09:22:22] <Aria> They're rolling about inside of a smokey car with a fire place inside of it and poor breaks
[09:22:23] <Bronz|work> Well, not seriously anyway.
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[09:22:48] <Bronz|work> Hello again!
[09:22:54] <Aria> Hi
[09:23:23] <Bronz|work> I think the closest they got to getting hurt is when they did the roadtrip through the south of america
[09:23:29] <Bronz|work> (Not to be confused with south america)
[09:25:29] <Bronz|work> They had some gay-ass cars, and some locals gave 'em some mean looks.
[09:26:26] <Aria> I've seen that clip
[09:34:24] <Aria> DVI cable
[09:34:37] <Aria> Maybe I can swap the two screens
[09:34:50] <Aria> Yeah that might work actually
[09:34:55] <Aria> I'll do that when I wake up
[09:35:51] <Bronz|work> Yeah that would probably work.
[09:36:28] <Aria> I've wanted to model some car interiors for a few days now, but yknow
[09:39:23] <Bronz|work> Yeah, I got ya.
[09:39:39] <Bronz|work> Say, I really like having you here to IRC talk to you again.
[09:40:03] <Aria> Yoshi has IRC support
[09:40:07] <Aria> So I can be on IRC in bed
[09:41:19] <Bronz|work> But not while asleep...
[09:41:25] <Aria> sure
[09:41:43] <Bronz|work> Unless, y'know: http://xkcd.com
[10:04:49] <Aria> There's a company kickstarting towels
[10:05:14] <Bronz|work> Is there anythign special about the towels?
[10:05:27] <Aria> I thought maybe they were self heating magic towels or something, but no, they're just towels
[10:05:44] <Aria> The innovation is that they come in three colours and they are fashionable at an onsen
[10:06:26] <Aria> So it's three towels
[10:06:34] <Aria> Bath towel, hand towel and face towel
[10:06:54] <Aria> And they have matching colours. Which seems to be the issue they're tackling
[10:07:25] <Aria> If you buy three separate white towels, they'll all be slightly different shades, and it makes your bathroom less fashionable
[10:07:29] <Aria> Now they're all the same shade
[10:08:56] <Aria> "The Japanese have been perfecting the art of towel making for hundreds of years. Used by the high class of society in the 17th Century including the Samurai. They still carry on this tradition focusing on superior craftsmanship and simplicity."
[10:10:57] <Aria> "Unlike mircofibre, which is a man made fabric, we use organic cotton which has a looser, velvety-soft texture. Unlike towels made from engineered fibers these natural fibers are better "
[10:10:58] <Bronz|work> ... Oh I see
[10:11:11] <Bronz|work> Cotton sucks though.
[10:11:29] <Bronz|work> I mean, no hate on cotton, it's real good.
[10:13:40] <Aria> Also despite having Japanese tourist brochure photos and Samurai's all over this thing, and despite taking their money in AUD, they list all the sizes in inches.
[10:14:03] <Aria> The big one is 12 inches, which they say is bigger than every other towel. But I don't think that's true at all
[10:14:29] <Aria> Sorry that's the small one. The big one is 60 inches
[10:14:53] <Aria> Stretchgoal 72 inches
[10:15:38] <Bronz|work> HA, strechgoal.
[10:15:40] <Bronz|work> I like that.
[10:16:36] <Aria> They're at 400k!
[10:16:51] <Aria> Why are people pre-ordering towels months in advance? They're towels!
[10:16:59] <Aria> You can buy towels right now!
[10:17:05] <Aria> Amazon sells towels!
[10:18:00] <Aria> Early backers get complementary chopsticks!? Chopsticks to go with your towel? Why? What is this?
[10:21:33] <Bronz|work> They're for hanging your towel out?
[10:39:46] <Apsup> Aria. Reminder, kickstarter is not preorder. If people put money in kickstarter, they shouldn't do it as preorder, but as a means so people making the thing can make the thing.
[10:41:56] <Bronz|work> That's what it's /supposed/ to be used for.
[10:42:02] <Bronz|work> But that's not how it actually works, half the time.
[10:49:49] <Aria> Apsup: But the product is a towel. Towels already exists. Surely you would only "back" this project because you need a towel and choose to get this towel, not because you are impressed by the concept or curious where the technology might go in enabled
[10:50:46] <Apsup> If you need a towel you go buy one. In store. Or order one online, might take few days, but still faster than any kickstarter.
[10:51:33] <Aria> Certainly. I don't condone buying this kickstarter towel. But why possibly reason could you have to back a towel other than as a pre-order for that towel?
[10:53:39] <Apsup> I don't know. If someone sees a reason to make a kickstarter for towel, surely someone else sees an reason to back it.
[11:02:21] <Aria> What is this cartoon Acca 13?
[11:02:24] <Aria> It looks good
[11:05:09] <Bronz|work> The summary sounds interesting
[11:05:28] <Aria> What for the kickstarter towel?
[11:05:37] <Aria> Oh Acca? What is it about?
[11:06:26] <Bronz|work> The kingdom of Dowa, which is subdivided into 13 states, is celebrating its monarch's 99th birthday. These 13 states have many agencies that are controlled by the giant organization known as Acca
[11:06:40] <Bronz|work> It's about a police department, apperantly
[11:06:46] <Aria> Huh.
[11:06:51] <Aria> Alright sure
[11:07:10] <Aria> Are there any good sci fi movies?
[11:07:12] <Bronz|work> Genres: Police, Drama, Fantasy, Seinen
[11:07:30] <Aria> Something that takes its sci fi world building seriously
[11:07:37] <Aria> There's Children of Men
[11:36:54] <Bronz|work> I'm hungry
[11:36:58] <Bronz|work> I wonder what the cafeteria has.
[11:37:41] <Aria> I'm pretty hungry too, but I think I'll ignore it and sleep instead
[11:38:17] <Bronz|work> you must be quite sleepy by now.
[11:39:20] <Aria> Plan was to stay up until about now
[11:39:31] <Aria> It's not so bad actually, I'm more hungry than sleepy
[11:39:48] <Aria> I mean, don't get me wrong, I would be happy if I got to sleep
[11:40:22] <Bronz|work> Well, you could make a sammich
[11:52:43] <Aria> Colin Moriarity is saying Nintendo messed up by getting SMT5 as their atlus game, because it's an unknown IP nobody cares about. They should've insisted Atlus use a more well known IP. I'm pretty sure that's as flagship as it gets from Atlus.
[11:53:20] <Apsup> Well, currently persona is more well known and popular, but SMT is way up there.
[11:53:25] <Apsup> And it has it's fanbase.
[11:53:39] <Apsup> Should have been a new Raidou thoguh.
[12:02:07] <Bronz|work> I agree with all your guys's words
[12:03:34] <Aria> That SMT isn't a system seller?
[12:03:44] <Aria> I disagree with that. SMT is big
[12:03:59] <Aria> It's not a killer app, but it's certainly worth devoting stage time to
[12:04:18] <Aria> What isn't worth devoting stage time to is Suda going "Yeah I think we're gonna use Travis again..."
[12:05:51] <Aria> Bunch of quality Fire Emblem Line stickers released today. That could've gone in the direct
[12:10:47] <Apsup> SMT sure sells some systems, but it will be at least two years until the game comes out, and then probably one more for translation.
[12:11:05] <Apsup> Good thing that Switch doesn't have region locking, or there would be another year for EU version.
[12:11:16] <Aria> That's fine, who cares. They don't want unit sales, they want hype
[12:11:20] <Aria> And SMT generates hype
[12:20:12] <Apsup> I should, at some point, also get the SMT4:Final.
[12:38:47] <Aria> Skit from Qualcomm CES 2013's stage show https://youtu.be
[12:45:11] <Bronz|work> My phone has this thing where if I press volume up/down while the phone is locked, the input is stuck.
[12:45:22] <Bronz|work> And I'll have to unlock my phone again to change it.
[12:55:00] <Aria> Right, at this point I'd probably be best of sleeping even if I can stay up, right? Otherwise I'll be very tired 4pm
[12:55:27] <Bronz|work> Well, if you sleep at 4PM, you can easily work your way backwards, right?
[12:55:43] <Aria> Yeah but I kinda want to be awake then
[12:55:58] <Bronz|work> Ah, well, you can have a nap for now, sure
[12:56:04] <Aria> Also I always confuse AM and PM. It's a stupid system and no one should use it
[12:56:22] <Bronz|work> You started it, should've said 16:00
[12:56:29] <Bronz|work> Or 16h
[12:56:53] <Aria> Well yeah, but I tried to be, yknow, like the other people
[12:58:20] <Aria> I think I'll stay up. Another 7 hours now and I can sleep at a good time
[12:59:17] <Bronz|work> Hmm, 7 hours is pretty long.
[12:59:31] <Aria> Yeah...
[12:59:33] <Bronz|work> You could have a short nap at 2 or 3, and I'd wake you up when I get home.
[12:59:54] <Bronz|work> On the other hand, you're a tough guy!
[13:00:05] <Aria> The most tough!
[13:02:54] <Aria> Yeah alright. Wake me up in three hours
[13:03:06] <Bronz|work> Sure, I will
[13:03:09] <Bronz|work> Have a good sleep!
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[16:38:35] <Apsup> Welcome back!
[16:38:39] <Apsup> Had a good nap?
[17:40:07] Aria is now known as Bronz
[17:40:10] <Bronz> Actually, it's me
[17:40:15] <Bronz> I'm using Aria's PC
[17:40:32] <Apsup> A twist!
[17:40:39] <Apsup> Did you wake him up?
[17:40:44] <Bronz> Aria got grumpy and didn't want to wake up, so I'm waking him up again in a few minutes
[17:40:55] <Apsup> I almost guessed that would happen.
[17:40:59] <Apsup> But didn't say anything.
[17:41:34] <Apsup> Tell him to send me some of that sleep energy, I'm getting sleepy and I need to stay awake few more hours still.
[17:42:13] <Bronz> No way, he'll want to stay asleep even longer if I do that!
[17:49:06] <Apsup> Well, I'm off. See ya latter.
[17:49:12] <Bronz> Bye
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