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[08:26:16] <Churba> oh yeah the chatroom is JUMPIN tonight
[08:31:07] <Demi> oh yea
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[09:57:49] <Churba> Hey apsup
[09:58:06] <Churba> Tell you what, I'm digging this new player experience bidness in TSW
[09:59:57] <Apsup> New tutorials, map showing side quests and local teleportation. Was there anything else noteworthy?
[10:00:01] <Apsup> Also, morning Churbs.
[10:02:18] <open_sketch|2> hi geeknights peeps
[10:02:22] <open_sketch|2> whats the haps on the irc
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[10:04:18] <Churba> Plenty of tweaks to abilities and mob difficulty
[10:04:25] <Churba> Sup Sketch
[10:04:44] <Churba> Not much, Apsup just showed up, I've been here a while, Macha still can't decide what to be called.
[10:05:07] <open_sketch> lol
[10:05:18] <open_sketch> what is TSW?
[10:05:55] <Churba> The Secret World
[10:06:39] <Churba> AKA churba rolls around in a suit and belts things with hammers, but I call it TSW so you don't confuse it with every other sunday
[10:07:16] <open_sketch> hahah
[10:07:18] <open_sketch> nice
[10:07:24] <open_sketch> this looks kinda neat
[10:09:06] <Churba> This being?
[10:09:15] <open_sketch> the secret world
[10:09:17] <open_sketch> i just googled it
[10:10:21] <Churba> It's pretty fucking awesome
[10:11:36] <Churba> I just went on a long chain of missions that took me through the world investigating the start of events, a millitary/industrial base for science stuff, hunted down a documentarian, and went through a twisted lovecraftian mass-dream of the townfolk of kingsmouth. It was just a side-mission.
[10:12:07] <Churba> Apsup - patch notes for EPE, aka TSW update 1.11
[10:12:09] <Churba> http://www.thesecretworld.com
[10:12:41] <Churba> Rather more descriptive than the plain english "This is what we did in rough terms" page
[10:13:52] <open_sketch> thats awesome
[10:14:00] <open_sketch> i'm down with modern cthuluing
[10:14:05] <open_sketch> is it free to play?
[10:14:31] <Churba> Nope, pay to play, but it's not subscription, just pay once.
[10:14:53] <Churba> I have trial codes, but as per our agreement, you don't get yours till you finish Magical girls RPG
[10:15:11] <open_sketch> oh right!
[10:15:15] <open_sketch> i knew this sounded familiar
[10:15:20] <open_sketch> i'm drawing cover art right now
[10:15:33] <Churba> How's the internals?
[10:16:42] <open_sketch> the game is mechanically complete and i'm most of the way through a print draft of the rules portion, getting proofed as i go
[10:16:55] <open_sketch> i've got page layouts set up and a sampling of prototype pages completed
[10:17:14] <Churba> Noice
[10:17:19] <open_sketch> fluff stuff is going slowly because i'm really bad at writing it
[10:17:28] <open_sketch> i'm always like ARGH NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS I CAN DO IT IN ONE PAGE
[10:17:43] <open_sketch> and then my proofreaders are like "hey man why is this so short there's so much cool stuff here"
[10:18:16] <Churba> Well, if you want a hand polishing anything like that, let me know. I'm no great shakes with mechanics, but fluff? Baby, Call me marshmallow.
[10:18:47] <open_sketch> :D
[10:18:56] <open_sketch> i'll take you up on that fer sure
[10:19:11] <open_sketch> after a bunch of like, tests of mechanics and stuff
[10:19:17] <open_sketch> and my general experience thus far with how this sells
[10:19:21] <open_sketch> i've found having expansions is like
[10:19:23] <open_sketch> a REALLY good idea
[10:19:31] <open_sketch> especially if one of them is free or pay what you want
[10:19:42] <Churba> Well, when people like something, they will usually want more of it.
[10:19:47] <open_sketch> every time you release one, sales of all the others spike like crazy
[10:20:03] <open_sketch> so i've split all the mechanics and lore stuff up and added some character origin stuff
[10:20:12] <Churba> Dig it.
[10:20:16] <open_sketch> which will make the core book a lot more focused
[10:20:30] <open_sketch> i also managed the most self-indulgent naming scheme in the UNIVERSE
[10:21:12] <open_sketch> so like, one of the thingies is that if you dont want to play my dumb verse and its trappings, this just does sailor moon too. Like, all the enemies and character origins are analogous just change the nouns and don't use some of the content
[10:21:48] <open_sketch> and when i split stuff up i put one of the villians in each book
[10:22:40] <Churba> I just wrote a character brief for a character called Broomhilde who is literally a broom with googly eyes. I'm pretty sure I can deal with self indulgent naming schemes, considering I'm indulging my need for really shitty puns.
[10:23:27] <open_sketch> so the three expansions are Revolution (for the one about TEH FUTURE and destinies and stuff), Subversion (for the one about human agencies and allies, witch hunters etc) and Usurpers (for the secret-origins/secret cthulu evil enemies)
[10:23:40] <open_sketch> ... or in other words, R, S, and SuperS
[10:23:41] <Churba> Man I am digging all this
[10:24:39] <open_sketch> the human enemies are, i think, the best things i've ever put on paper
[10:24:54] <open_sketch> because they have like, 24 levels of double agent stuff going on
[10:25:13] <open_sketch> at first blush they look like Establishment types working for the High Court, the main villains
[10:25:48] <open_sketch> but THEN they are actually actively taking apart high court infastructure wherever they find it to study, use and neutralize the magic within...
[10:26:26] <open_sketch> ...because they've figured out how to use it to /pull out people's hearts/ and replace them with mechanical ones that allow them to control people's emotions
[10:26:42] <Churba> Jesus christ
[10:26:58] <open_sketch> they are planning a secret coup against the ten-thousand year old magical rulers of the universe
[10:27:29] <Churba> That doesn't sound wise, but I'm sure they have a needlessly complex plan
[10:27:32] <open_sketch> it's like if the hellsing organization and scp teamed up to fight queen beryl, basically
[10:27:54] <open_sketch> i think my favourite part is the mechanical heart thing
[10:27:59] <open_sketch> actually comes from a sleater-kinney song
[10:28:19] <open_sketch> https://www.youtube.com
[10:28:38] <open_sketch> which takes things back to the riot grrrl roots of the entire project
[10:28:47] <open_sketch> and there's actually mechanical effects for it happening in the game
[10:29:23] <Apsup> That mechanical hearts bit could be straight from Don't Rest Your Head.
[10:29:23] <Churba> What happens with it?
[10:29:41] <open_sketch> well, if you're the one effected, they can set your feelings on remote control
[10:29:57] <open_sketch> there's a trigger/response system in the game you can call on to roleplay basically like
[10:30:14] <open_sketch> you know how in burning wheel, anyone can be hairy, but you can pay the points and be fucking /hairy/?
[10:30:50] <Churba> Yeah. I've been fucking hairy a time or two
[10:31:02] <open_sketch> in 5atH, anyone can be angry, but you can call on an element of your sheet to be fucking ANGRY and you've basically written down your character's habitual response when they get that way
[10:31:41] <open_sketch> like, my character's response to fear is to hide, or to get their friends and run, or to claw back like a caged animal
[10:31:45] <open_sketch> for example
[10:32:00] <open_sketch> you get a buff to following your instinct and a debuff if you go against it
[10:32:33] <open_sketch> as you might imagine, having somebody play with that shit on a dial can mess you up
[10:33:42] <Churba> huh, yeah, I suppose it would
[10:33:48] <open_sketch> the other thing they do with it is that they can then take your heart, and put it in a mechanical fucking exoskeleton, and get robocop with your magical girl powers
[10:33:59] <open_sketch> which makes up their "monster" category baddies
[10:35:06] <open_sketch> poor molly got a visit from the black helicopters and now she cries tears of joy every morning during the pledge of alligence. when we went to investigate, they sent a space marine after us powered by her caged soul
[10:35:34] <open_sketch> best go get it back before it does anything naughty
[10:38:58] <Churba> Why is it that I read that with the voice of the guy from Courage the cowardly dog, the one that goes "...Naught-y..."
[10:39:16] <open_sketch> heh
[10:39:33] <Churba> https://www.youtube.com
[10:39:37] <Churba> Naughty Fred, that's him
[10:41:10] <open_sketch> jesus christ
[10:44:59] <Churba> A-yup
[10:50:17] <open_sketch> we did a test just today actually which was p great
[10:50:24] <Churba> Oh?
[10:50:30] <open_sketch> they had to evacuate, and then explode a cruise ship
[10:50:36] <open_sketch> (they are magical terrorists after all)
[10:50:41] <open_sketch> (it was an evil cruise ship tho)
[10:51:05] <open_sketch> there was shinanigans as they messed with simpleminded demons-disguised-as-crew and such
[10:51:59] <open_sketch> sneaking past one in the kitchen by making them get more sandwiches from the galley, and then later they ran into said demon in the galley when they snuck into there
[10:52:04] <Churba> You had me at evil cruise ship
[10:52:17] <open_sketch> "why are you here. passengers aren't supposed to be here."
[10:52:25] <open_sketch> "yeah, well, where's our sandwiches?"
[10:53:30] <open_sketch> (there's a "scene goals" type system of Desires where, early in a session/episode/whatever, you can set short-term goals that you need to succeed at by the end of the session, and they are by design supposed to be frivolous and kinda disruptive. Guess what like half of them wanted)
[10:54:22] <open_sketch> they eventually picked a fight with the captain of the ship, who was a big scary boss demon type, which went rather poorly for them
[10:55:15] <open_sketch> punted one of them through the ceiling and onto the sun deck and then kicked the highlights out of their support caster's hair
[10:56:28] <Churba> oh dear
[10:56:39] <open_sketch> so after like, two turns of indecisive waffling, one of them picks up their mostly-immobile mage, carries her into the room where fighting needs to happen, retrieves the friend who was punched through the roof with an offensive spell that has a pull component, and basically singlehandedly fixed the entire encounter
[10:56:45] <Churba> Doesn't he know how expensive highlights are? That bastards
[10:57:17] <Churba> I got to "Picks up the immobile mage" and my brain automatically filled in "And used her like a bludgeon"
[10:57:22] <open_sketch> ahaha
[10:57:30] <open_sketch> more like "and uses her as a BFG" but yes
[10:57:51] <open_sketch> she has a costume part (glass heels) that makes movement cost more action points, but makes her spells hit harder
[10:58:24] <open_sketch> eventually the support caster was just like, fuck it, i dont actually need my two-handed shield right now, and started carrying her around instead to save action points for spells
[11:00:30] <Churba> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[11:00:48] <Churba> I just imagined her carrying her like a long shotgun, firing her from the hip
[11:01:15] <Churba> just give her a quick shake and making a chich-chich noise with her mouth after every spell
[11:01:27] <open_sketch> this is more or less correct
[11:01:33] <Churba> This is the best
[11:01:40] <open_sketch> the best part is this caster's deal is like, saving action points one round
[11:01:54] <open_sketch> and then burning them ALL in one glorious display of hilarious destruction
[11:02:08] <open_sketch> she spent two rounds not firing just to build up more overkill
[11:02:18] <open_sketch> so she could do 16 points of damage on the boss in one go
[11:02:53] <open_sketch> for context, the average attack does 3 damage and the bigger spells do like, 6-8
[11:03:14] <open_sketch> and the primary means of defending yourself is straight damage reduction so bigger hits are disproportionately big
[11:03:39] <open_sketch> so basically everyone got tired of her sitting alone in the dark charging up and making dragonball z noises
[11:03:45] <open_sketch> and hauled her into the battle
[11:08:16] <Churba> TSW ACTION UPDATE - I'm standing on a giant rocky cliff, next to a giant lovecraftian crab-person-giant thing named Breidox, having a smoke as the sun sets over a quarry filled with tar-like tentacles. If I attack Breidox, he'll attack me, but since I haven't, we're just chillin' as I burn one.
[11:08:47] <open_sketch> fantastic
[11:08:57] <Churba> This game is so delightfully wierd sometimes
[11:09:02] <open_sketch> dude don't pull the mobs
[11:09:04] <open_sketch> we're having a moment
[11:09:56] <open_sketch> okay time to pass out on my face
[11:10:03] <Churba> Also my brain is filled with an image of a bunch of magical girls playing volleyball with a magical moeblob that's just exploding like a magic roman candle at random
[11:10:06] <open_sketch> i leave you with the sketchysketch of the punk girl from the cover
[11:10:13] <open_sketch> ahaha
[11:10:17] <open_sketch> http://i.imgur.com
[11:10:25] <open_sketch> there's actually a character somebody wrote up
[11:10:28] <open_sketch> but has not played
[11:10:34] <Churba> looks pretty sick
[11:10:37] <open_sketch> that is basically Princess Serenity: Suicide Bomber
[11:11:29] <Churba> TSW ACTION UPDATE - I ate a taco on the cliff. Offered one to Breidox, he did not seem interested. Nearby Templar called me wierd.
[11:11:36] <open_sketch> she's basically loaded up with like, 15 one-use spell enhancing items, a couple of things from the princess kit, and the Nova spell
[11:11:44] <open_sketch> basically the princess kit has a self-sacrifice theme
[11:12:01] <open_sketch> and one of the things you can do with one of the parts is do One Last Glorious Spell when something knocks you out
[11:12:23] <open_sketch> another part allows you to basically self-destruct and distribute buffs and such to all your friends in desperate moments
[11:12:37] <open_sketch> so basically the entire point of this character is to consume all her temporary buffs
[11:12:40] <open_sketch> run into the middle of the enemy
[11:12:58] <open_sketch> and cast Final Nova
[11:13:17] <open_sketch> and basically level a city block in a giant heart-shaped mushroom cloud
[11:13:42] <Churba> That sounds startlingly like a power I have in Star Trek online - I basically warp in next to someone who is about to die, dump my sheilds over to them, give them massive damage resistance, and pull massive agro on myself. It's basically suicide savior, except for the part where my Kobali Cruiser is ludicrously tanky and basically has a "get out of death free" card that's good once every few minutes.
[11:13:58] <open_sketch> niiiiiiiiiice
[11:14:18] <open_sketch> this well describes my league of legends playstyle ever since i discovered the wonders of nautilus
[11:14:20] <Churba> It's worked to great effect a number of times with nine, who tends to fly in face first and dump the hurt, but doesn't do so good at avoiding the hurt himself in his fragile little eggshell ship.
[11:14:29] <open_sketch> who is basically a brick with four crowd control abilities
[11:14:41] <open_sketch> "what's that, you're in danger?"
[11:15:07] <open_sketch> zip in on anchor line, activate all abilities, walk into the middle of the enemy team while whistiling a jaunty tune
[11:15:23] <open_sketch> sitting on something like 16,000 effective health against physical attacks
[11:15:47] <Churba> There's a downside to having a very well battle-tested and polished build, however
[11:16:01] <open_sketch> i have repeatedly peeled for my squishy teammates by the incredible strategy of being in the way and just wandering around taking hits
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[11:16:14] <open_sketch> and then just walking all the way to base (lowest movespeed in the game)
[11:16:22] <open_sketch> what is this downside
[11:16:40] <Churba> There has been more than one occasion where I've been hit with a confuse, and considering my firing arcs are mostly in the 280 degree range, I tend to accidentally slaughter all my teammates before I notice I'm not firing at the right things.
[11:16:52] <open_sketch> ha
[11:16:53] <open_sketch> nice
[11:16:54] <open_sketch> well done
[11:17:18] <open_sketch> insert the scene from the episode with the killer command AI from TOS
[11:19:29] <Churba> It's thanks to the way nine and I have always played sto - I'm an engineer(tank and hull heals) and he's a Science officer(Buffs, debuffs, sheild heals, all that good stuff) I've had to double duty in the spot that the Tac officer would normally occupy(DPS, high manuverability dogfighting) - so I'm not as heal-y as some, but I dump out an absurd amount of damage, and with huge firing arcs.
[11:20:55] <open_sketch> man
[11:21:00] <open_sketch> makes me wanna play star trek online again
[11:21:03] <open_sketch> its been SO LONG
[11:21:05] <Churba> So anyone not set up for PVP -which is most people in the PVE instances - I just mulch them wicked fast
[11:21:22] <Churba> Depending on how long it's been, a LOT may have changed.
[11:21:33] <Churba> I was floundering around for a solid week before I got my footing again.
[11:21:34] <open_sketch> i played in the first few months
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[11:21:53] <Churba> Of subscription, or F2P?
[11:22:00] <open_sketch> subscription
[11:22:26] <Churba> Sweet
[11:22:49] <open_sketch> i think i still have it installed actually
[11:22:51] <open_sketch> thanks to steam
[11:23:01] <open_sketch> so i might pop on today/tommorow
[11:23:05] <open_sketch> however you define the state after a nap
[11:23:11] <open_sketch> after i hit my dev targets for the day
[11:24:29] <Churba> To give you the brief, big-stuff rundown - WAY more episodes, new adventure zones(Romulus, defera, dyson sphere, some other stuff), revamped R&D system(no more memory alpha, you can do it anywhere), Duty officers(basically little minions you send on missions for you to get stuff), level cap is 60 now, Tier 6 ships, carriers, fleet starbases with so much cool stuff.
[11:24:52] <Churba> ESD redesigned, playable klingon faction, romulan faction
[11:25:14] <Churba> Reputation system is either implemented or changed, depending on when you quit.
[11:25:54] <open_sketch> niiiiiiiiice
[11:26:01] <Churba> Shoot me a message with where you're at via the forums or something once you've checked it out a little, depending on what level you are, I might have a toon to smurf it up with you.
[11:26:25] <Churba> Though if you were at the old cap, I can just roll with my main
[11:27:06] <Churba> Oh - SO many more costumes, too, for maximum space barbie
[11:27:38] <open_sketch> yeeeeeeeees
[11:27:40] <open_sketch> thats my jam
[11:27:54] <open_sketch> i realized recently that there are a ton of games i basically only play
[11:27:58] <open_sketch> because i love dumb dressup games
[11:28:07] <open_sketch> the entirety of new pokemon was like that for me
[11:28:15] <open_sketch> i didnt give a FUCK about geodudes
[11:28:21] <open_sketch> i just wanted to get to the new town
[11:28:26] <open_sketch> and get a new cute hat so bad
[11:29:07] <Churba> Oh, in that case you'll be pleased to know - if you remember the old kit system, where you'd have a X Career kit with a name like Bunker Fabrication or Generator Specialist
[11:29:11] <Churba> That's all gone
[11:29:44] <Churba> Kits are now modular, and all the costume stuff that used to go with the old kits is now broken down into a TON of modular stuff that you can just put on and modify at any tailor
[11:30:48] <Churba> BUT THAT'S ENOUGH ABOUT THAT
[11:31:01] <open_sketch> :D
[11:31:04] <open_sketch> okay yes
[11:31:05] <open_sketch> sleeeeeeeep
[11:31:06] <Churba> Get to bed, boyo. I can tell you about advancements in space barbie technology later. You need to sleep
[11:32:02] <Churba> Goodnight, good luck, good dreams, and I'll catch you later
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[14:43:19] <Bronzdragon> Hello~
[14:48:10] <Apsup> Heya.
[14:49:05] <Bronzdragon> The light from this sun is harsh.
[14:49:47] <Apsup> Which sun do you have? Different one from what I do?
[14:50:56] <Bronzdragon> Nah, it's just coming in from behind onto this monitor
[14:51:08] <Apsup> Finally got new sim for my phone.
[14:51:19] <Bronzdragon> New one? Not a clipped one?
[14:51:23] <Apsup> And then I went and misheard the pin the store clerk gave me.
[14:51:35] <Bronzdragon> 'course.
[14:52:27] <Apsup> Got everything fixed now, but I might now have two different accounts of my cariers website-thing.
[14:52:58] <Bronzdragon> Ah, I see.
[14:56:20] <Apsup> Good timing too, mom usually calls me on sunday evenings to hear what I'm up to.
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[14:59:04] <Bronzdragon> Oh look, yoshokatana!
[14:59:32] <yoshokatana> morning
[15:02:01] <Apsup> evenin
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