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[06:22:39] <aria> I thought Google let you work on whatever if you convince the guy right above you its a good idea
[06:22:46] <aria> Which sounds amazing
[06:22:55] <aria> How come you were fed up
[06:23:23] <aria> Oh yeah, 16:34 yesterday. I should look at the timestamps more.
[06:38:59] <Bronz|work> Hello.
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[07:49:53] <Churba> Yo wizard, you hungry?
[07:51:11] <Bronz|work> Churba? Hello
[07:51:20] <Bronz|work> Haven't seen you here recently.
[07:51:37] <Churba> I'm a tad busy in the lead up to PAX AUS
[07:51:42] <Churba> So much stuff going on
[07:52:23] <Churba> Guitar to build, van to do some minor repairs on, another car to rebuild and test, plus work and organising pax stuff
[07:53:38] <Bronz|work> That sounds like fun.
[07:53:46] <Bronz|work> I'm busy here doing a lot of nothing.
[07:54:16] <Churba> I'm one of those rotten fuckers who just can't stop doing things. If I'm not doing SOMETHING, I go a bit nuts
[07:54:52] <Churba> Plus, I've gotta squeeze in some lathe time in the next month, I have to turn up (Gon get turnt up) some stuff before PAX, too
[07:55:45] <Churba> And a pre-pax Project - just on the downlow, enforcer name bars. Everyone puts labeling machine tape on their [E] badge, and while it works, it looks like shit, and I don't like that.
[07:56:14] <Churba> So I'm whipping up some simple name bars, and offering them to other enforcers for cost.
[07:57:52] <Churba> It all sounds like a lot, but it'll get done. It's a bunch of different small stuff. Except fixing up the racecar, but I'm not hugely vital for that, I'm just a test driver and a spare mechanic.
[07:59:12] <Bronz|work> Yeah, I don't like sitting around here either. Having the pace set for me really trips me up.
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[08:14:21] <Bronz|work> Hey Apsup.
[08:16:38] <Apsup> Yo
[08:26:08] <Bronz|work> How goes it?
[08:51:12] <Apsup> Life keep going.
[08:51:56] <Bronz|work> Is it his a good or a bad thing?
[08:59:34] <Churba> Ey up Aps, how goes brother?
[09:02:44] <Churba> Oh hey, Kogan has a special on for "Motorised semi-auto soft bullet toy guns", or if you prefer their nickname "Totally not nerf guns don't sue us please"
[09:17:00] <aria> Link?
[09:17:18] <aria> I'd be interested in some non nerf guns
[09:17:32] <Churba> http://www.kogan.com
[09:18:38] <Bronz|work> Oh, they have a British store as well!
[09:18:57] <Churba> Yep!
[09:19:20] <Bronz|work> Oh man, straight up AR15 platform rip-off.
[09:19:24] <Churba> Not quite as good as argos, but still pretty decent
[09:19:30] <Churba> Oh hey new chapter of Koe No Katchi
[09:20:06] <Churba> And UQ holder, cool
[09:20:48] <Churba> No new chapters of initial D, but that's okay, I don't need another chapter of filler till they get to a nice round number for the end
[09:31:54] <Churba> And if you're gonna rip-off a gun, might as well be plastic fantastic, one of the two most famous rifles in the world
[09:31:56] <Bronz|work> Do you read the manga?
[09:32:17] <Bronz|work> I don't think it would be the same without the music, honestly
[09:32:27] <Bronz|work> Does it just come with a CD for you to play while reading?
[09:35:58] <Churba> Yeah, I just read the manga. Don't watch much anime
[09:36:24] <Churba> To be honest, starting to think the anime would be faster - no joke, this race has been going on for 30+ chapters
[09:36:29] <Bronz|work> What do you listen to while reading it?
[09:38:07] <Churba> Nothing, usually. I read way fast, even slowing down to appreciate the art.
[09:38:15] <Churba> one sec
[09:38:45] <Churba> According to AMR, my average time reading a chapter of initial D is about 40 seconds lately. There's hardly any words.
[09:39:33] <Bronz|work> That's almost as fast as Takumi downhill!
[09:40:39] <Churba> I burn though books pretty quick either way - I pirate a lot of books simply because I wouldn't be able to afford, in time or money, buying more books.
[09:47:31] <Churba> Oh that's cool
[09:48:20] <Bronz|work> I have been thinking of getting one of those kindles
[09:48:36] <Bronz|work> I think I'd like it very much. I worry about when I have time to read though.
[09:48:45] <Churba> I found an ASS OLD picture of me back when I first started racing, sitting in harry the hillman from hell, running on about two hours sleep and one shower in about 14 days, which was taken just before the picture
[09:48:46] <Bronz|work> Not sure what they'd say if I read at work....
[09:49:12] <Churba> I've got a kindle, it's pretty wicked. Saves a lot of time and space with books
[09:49:16] <Churba> hold on
[09:49:53] <Churba> http://i.imgur.com
[09:49:54] <Bronz|work> Holding!
[09:50:07] <Bronz|work> You look pretty handsome there.
[09:50:37] <Churba> It's okay, you can let go now - a picture of me at the tender age of 18, right after the Endeavor rally.
[09:50:55] <Churba> In the car that I didn't win in, but still managed a podium finish
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[09:51:31] <Churba> Oh god the aura of asshole seeping form my 18 year old self killed apsup even through a photo
[09:51:36] <Churba> It's like an asshole medusa
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[10:03:35] <Bronz|work> It's not so ba-UEGH.
[10:09:22] <Bronz|work> Btw, hi again Apsup
[10:12:38] <Apsup> Yo.
[10:13:12] <Apsup> Once again opening up torrenz messed up irc. And then I closed it anyways as I want net to be deticated for me playing xiv.
[10:13:48] <Bronz|work> Xiv sounds like a drug
[10:18:14] <Apsup> FF XIV:RR, is the proper short form of the name of the game.
[10:52:42] <Churba> ahaha oh wow
[10:52:50] <Churba> Turns out being part of asia has advantages
[10:53:08] <Churba> The only country with a release date for the new 3DS that's not japan? Australia.
[10:54:06] <Churba> Also LOL at americans bitching about it in the kotaku comments
[11:00:58] <Apsup> We probably get it last and then don't get half of the good games.
[11:02:35] <Churba> Maybe. likely worldwide will be announced soon enough, I'm just basking a little, since this has literally never happened before.
[11:04:05] <Bronz|work> Go Australia
[11:04:58] <Bronz|work> Asi-stralia?
[11:07:05] <Churba> ?
[11:07:25] <aria> Playstation people can play their PS4 games on PSVita over 3G without too much lag (or so they say). Why can't I do that shit with my Windows games?
[11:07:28] <aria> Or can I?
[11:08:09] <Churba> Dunno, never thought about it
[11:08:33] <Bronz|work> Doesn't the nVidia shield do that?
[11:08:42] <Bronz|work> Or the steam streaming? (though I guess that's in-house)
[11:10:48] <aria> Shield is also over WLAN
[11:11:24] <aria> Maybe I should get a PS4
[11:11:44] <aria> PS4 can play Bloodborn at some point
[11:11:51] <aria> So then I can play that at work
[11:13:04] <aria> I wonder if the streaming uses the games resources or if thats always reserved. Cause if Bloodborn is 20-30FPS under ideal circumstances, if it also has to worry about compressing my video stream, its probably not gonna be very playable...
[11:18:45] <Churba> Worth finding out, I figure.
[11:18:59] <Bronz|work> But it could just render at a way lower resolution
[11:19:13] <Bronz|work> That would clear up so much overhead.
[11:25:01] <aria> Wouldn't that need to be set up per game then?
[11:25:20] <aria> Since a lot of games already run at lower resolutions than the Vita screen
[11:25:38] <aria> And some games run at lower than vita screen at 60 easily, so they wouldn't need to change anything when streaming
[11:25:42] <aria> But yes
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[12:06:26] <open_sketch> boop
[12:06:47] <Churba> Beep
[12:06:55] <open_sketch> sup churba!
[12:07:08] <Churba> Aw, same old man, just more of it in the lead-up to PAX
[12:07:18] <open_sketch> oh snap yeah
[12:07:19] <Churba> Next Pax is best Pax, and Next Pax is 36 days away
[12:07:38] <open_sketch> jeez
[12:07:44] <open_sketch> i'm getting second-hand paxcitement
[12:08:26] <Churba> Being super lazy and copy-and pasting from before - Guitar to build, van to do some minor repairs on, another car to rebuild and test, plus work and organising pax stuff, Plus, I've gotta squeeze in some lathe time in the next month, I have to turn up (Gon get turnt up) some stuff before PAX, too, And a pre-pax Project - just on the downlow, enforcer name bars. Everyone puts labeling machine tape on their [E] badge, and while it works, i
[12:08:42] <Churba> I also have bad news, my friend
[12:08:50] <open_sketch> thats a lot of stuff to do
[12:08:57] <Churba> New 3DS XL is coming november 21st
[12:09:00] <open_sketch> i suddenly feel super terrible about procrastinating on this writing
[12:09:03] <open_sketch> ahhaha
[12:09:06] <Churba> But only in Australia
[12:09:16] <Bronz|work> Hey Sketch!
[12:09:23] <open_sketch> i'm doing quite alright with my tiny3ds
[12:09:33] <open_sketch> because all i use it for is pokemon
[12:09:47] <open_sketch> aka tiny french dressup simulator with occasional intrusive battles
[12:09:49] <open_sketch> hey bronz
[12:09:51] <Churba> Yeah, it's a bunch of stuff, but it's all smaller than it seems. Except the racing bit, but holy fuck wouldn't give it up for the world. Life isn't worth living without Rum and/or the liquid metal taste of adrenaline
[12:10:04] <open_sketch> heheh
[12:10:05] <Churba> I have a tiny 3ds - but I'm looking to get rid of it, because it's too small for my hands
[12:10:50] <Churba> if I curl my finger on the shoulder button, it doesn't quite reach my first knuckle - so it's super uncomfortable to use for long periods of time
[12:11:00] <open_sketch> a problem i do not suffer from, not being a granite-hewn chunk of pure australian manstone like yourself
[12:11:13] <open_sketch> it fits comfortably in my polite canadian hands
[12:12:15] <open_sketch> gosh suddenly realizing i have a lot to do before next pax myself, even if thats farther away
[12:12:31] <Churba> You say that, but there's people on the forums who have seen me doing what I do best - drinking and talking shit, and I'm just downright cuddly when that's going on.
[12:12:35] <open_sketch> if i dont show up with at least a second rpg ready to go what am i even doing
[12:12:47] <open_sketch> nevermind boothgetting
[12:12:55] <Churba> And as LackOfCheese would attest, I'm a fuckin' caveman when it comes to boardgames.
[12:13:00] <open_sketch> heheh
[12:14:32] <open_sketch> i need to trick a bunch of front row crew folks to play my latest game at next pax east
[12:14:37] <open_sketch> gather them all together
[12:15:05] <open_sketch> and trick them into playing my dumb sailor moon game :P
[12:15:47] <Churba> DO IT
[12:15:48] <Churba> VIDEO IT
[12:15:56] <open_sketch> oh man
[12:15:59] <open_sketch> no that would be great
[12:16:03] <Churba> I WOULD SKYPE IN BUT THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPRACTICAL
[12:16:08] <open_sketch> hehehe
[12:16:17] <Churba> Hold on I turned into anthony burch for a second was that yelling funny?
[12:16:28] <open_sketch> i laughed
[12:16:50] <open_sketch> i dunno i've been running all the playtest on fucking rolz with a google drawing using a table for our grid
[12:16:53] <open_sketch> and it's worked out okay
[12:16:54] <Churba> Excellent, on my way to an award winning game
[12:17:08] <open_sketch> save that balance is still garbage
[12:17:19] <Churba> how so?
[12:17:36] <open_sketch> there's a lot of emergent bullshit
[12:17:52] <open_sketch> one of the game's two central gimmicks is you build your powerset by making a costume, basically
[12:17:57] <open_sketch> mixing and matching parts from themed sets
[12:18:12] <Churba> Please make "chin that could cut glass" from Sailor moon crystal a thing
[12:18:15] <open_sketch> hahah
[12:18:26] <open_sketch> yeah that sort of thing
[12:18:38] <Churba> I think their fucking character designer has been smoking crystal, but anyway
[12:18:52] <open_sketch> but the people in my playtest group are the cheesiest bunch of bastards imaginable
[12:19:22] <open_sketch> i have actually had to write the patch note "nerfed hats"
[12:19:30] <open_sketch> thus making me 9/10th valve
[12:19:48] <open_sketch> its good that they are helping sort this shit out
[12:19:49] <open_sketch> but like
[12:20:36] <open_sketch> one of the playtests ended on the second turn when "Sailor Beamspam" fired four magic attacks in a row, two of which were explosive, and all of them rolling like 16 dice in a game where pools are supposed to hover around 3-6
[12:21:08] <open_sketch> due to an incredibly dumb combination of costume parts :P
[12:21:18] <Churba> that's amazing
[12:21:57] <open_sketch> i eventually threw my hands up and went "fuck it, one offensive spell per turn, max, no exceptions"
[12:22:08] <open_sketch> (as well as actually fixing that broken shit)
[12:22:25] <open_sketch> the game is finally kind of resembling the intent now after like a half a dozen playtests
[12:23:11] <Churba> For some reason, it reminds me of this magical girl generator that was going around ages ago, and on someone from the forum's status about it, I started writing dumb but dark and wierd magical girl fiction
[12:23:24] <open_sketch> hehehe
[12:23:43] <open_sketch> writing dark and weird magical girl fiction hold a powerful draw
[12:23:49] <open_sketch> in the course of writing this game
[12:24:01] <open_sketch> i ended up writing some random bullshit about like... 19th century magical girls and stuff
[12:24:11] <open_sketch> spewed out like 12k words p much by accident
[12:24:14] <Churba> For example, my colour was purple, and I had a big dip pen as a magical tool. Draw things into existence? FUCK NO STAB MOTHERFUCKERS IN THE NECK AND DIP THE PEN IN YOUR BLOOD
[12:24:19] <open_sketch> hahaah
[12:24:26] <open_sketch> there's a great post on my dashboard somehwere
[12:24:42] <open_sketch> the scene from the original sailor moon "How do I get past the guard" "here use this pen"
[12:24:57] <open_sketch> captioned at the bottom "STAB HIM IN THE FUCKING NECK USAGI!"
[12:26:01] <open_sketch> i sort of ended up writing a setting for this that is super compelling to me and basically only me where... i've described it as "Pretty Anarchist Sailor Moon"
[12:26:06] <Churba> I can dig it
[12:26:09] <Churba> OH
[12:26:36] <open_sketch> where it's exactly sailor moon but the bit in the mythology where the humans stormed the moon castle? yeah, humans were the good guys on that one
[12:27:13] <open_sketch> the dark kingdom has already won and controls the earth as a secret conspiracy and drains everyone's natural magic and they're definately a metaphor for patriarchy
[12:27:37] <open_sketch> so you are less the sailor guardians and more the sailor resistance
[12:29:57] <open_sketch> also you can totally play punk rock magical girls with magic tattoos and stuff :P
[12:32:20] <Churba> FUCKING
[12:32:22] <Churba> SICK
[12:32:48] <open_sketch> also you have to fight the cops sometimes because like
[12:32:51] <open_sketch> again secret conspiracy
[12:32:54] <open_sketch> people don't know about magic
[12:33:04] <open_sketch> but they do know about the collateral damage of you moon tiara actioning the fuck out of demons
[12:33:54] <open_sketch> so there's a whole war on terror angle too where like, yes they were using the ICU of a local hospital to drain people's life energy
[12:34:04] <Churba> Literally everything you say gets me more hype
[12:34:05] <open_sketch> but as far as anyone can tell you just blew up a hospital
[12:36:42] <open_sketch> so like... you might have to fight the cops, or the army, or if you really piss them off the black helicopters arrive and Public Security 2218 (Ex. 22:18 "Suffer not the Witch to Live") arrive with magitech guns because there's a SECOND secret conspiracy of government agencies collecting magic and they're basically the death busters from season 3 of sailor moon
[12:36:57] <open_sketch> (they are totally at the mercy of the first secret conspiracy)
[12:37:23] <open_sketch> oh and the pillarmen are in it because i thought it'd be funny to have to fight the pillarmen
[12:37:34] <Churba> Oh, I have a pair of interesting game mechanics to tell you about in completely unrelated stuff, that you'll find interesting
[12:37:44] <open_sketch> TELL ME
[12:37:50] <Churba> Alright, you play Warframe at all?
[12:37:57] <open_sketch> no but i have friends who do
[12:38:04] <open_sketch> its basically F2P mass effect 3 multiplayer right?
[12:38:13] <Churba> Kinda yea, kinda no
[12:38:23] <open_sketch> alright
[12:38:45] <Churba> It's far from coverbased shooting, it's similar in style, but instead of future space soliders, it's magic space ninjas with magic parkour
[12:39:10] <open_sketch> i liked every part of that sentence
[12:39:13] <Churba> But anyways - The first is the leveling system.
[12:39:14] <open_sketch> please continue
[12:40:21] <Churba> You have your account level, with mastery level. It means practically nothing other than bragging rights, really, though it does block you from some weapons earlier on - but that's cleared out by level three or four, mostly, and even if you could just go with them, you couldn't build them, because the resources don't drop to build them that early.
[12:40:48] <open_sketch> e-peen level
[12:40:50] <open_sketch> got it
[12:41:20] <Churba> Then, you have your three weapon types - Melee, primary, and secondary - your Frame(basically magic armor), and your companion(little floaty shoulder robot, or more recently, dogs called kubrows, which are a bizzare blend of ugly as sin and cute as hell)
[12:42:11] <open_sketch> wait what
[12:42:21] <open_sketch> you can have ninja dogs
[12:42:25] <open_sketch> are the dogs also robots
[12:42:34] <Churba> Each of those has seperate levels. Levels there only count for equip points - level 30 has 30 points, which means you get 30 points worth of modifications you can allocate to that frame. All modifications can go on all frames, barring powers which are frame-specific. All primary mods can go on all primaries, all secondaries on all secondaries, etc.
[12:42:49] <open_sketch> whoa
[12:42:52] <Churba> And yes, you can have ninja dogs. They are not robots yet but who knows DE are pretty crazy
[12:43:15] <open_sketch> that sounds awesome, the leveling and equipping thing on equipment
[12:43:29] <open_sketch> thats a feedback loop that keeps giving if i ever saw one...
[12:43:37] <Churba> But here's the thing - if you buy or build a weapon? That shit is level 0. To get it combat effective, you have to get levels on it.
[12:43:57] <Churba> There's more to it, but that's the basic. It's super easy to level up gear, though.
[12:44:01] <Churba> Here's the second system
[12:44:28] <Churba> The XP (or Affinity, as it's called in game) is allocated in two different categories.
[12:44:32] <Churba> Yours, and shared.
[12:45:24] <open_sketch> shared with whom?
[12:47:23] <Churba> I'll get to that in a sec. Say, you shoot a Grunt with your bow/rifle/crazygonuts lightning gun primary weapon, and he gives 100 affinity(to make the math easy) - it splits that between your primary weapon and your frame. If you use another weapon to contribute damage, it gets a cut of it too.
[12:47:39] <open_sketch> alright cool that makes sense
[12:47:41] <Churba> Now, the shared with who
[12:47:55] <open_sketch> SHARED WITH YOUR PAST SELF BEFORE YOU PLAYED THE GAME
[12:48:03] <open_sketch> THIS IS HOW YOU GREW UP, BY PLAYING THIS GAME
[12:48:07] <open_sketch> NOW YOU HAVE TO PLAY TO AVOID PARADOX?
[12:48:24] <open_sketch> thats my f2p business model
[12:48:37] <Churba> It's a co-op game, yea? Well, 100% of the XP you get, your teammates also get, but it splits between their frame and weapons equally - so, with our 100 XP, it's 25 for frame, and 25 each for all of their weapons.
[12:48:42] <open_sketch> microtransactions or we retroactively deny you puberty
[12:48:49] <open_sketch> oh cool!
[12:49:01] <open_sketch> that actually sounds like a way to not hate your teammates
[12:49:10] <open_sketch> unlike a certain game i might play all the time league of legends
[12:49:10] <Churba> (Your companion shares XP like other players, but they only have themselves, and if it's a wee robot instead of a dog, one weapon)
[12:49:30] <Churba> Even better - there's a circumstance under which this doesn't happen
[12:49:56] <Churba> If your teammates are too far away - though it is a generous distance, usually if you're in the same room, you're sharing.
[12:50:25] <Churba> Thus incentivising one of the harder problems in the game - how do you get a team of magic space ninjas who can all move incredibly fast and kill incredibly effectively to stay together and work as a team?
[12:50:55] <Churba> I mean, how fucking elegant of a solution is that?
[12:51:07] <open_sketch> thats actually fucking brilliant
[12:51:37] <open_sketch> like
[12:51:40] <open_sketch> yeah wow
[12:51:48] <open_sketch> that's smart enough that it makes me want to try warframe
[12:54:17] <Churba> It also gives advantages to newer players, especially ones who know people who already play - because even if you're the squishiest of squishy brand-new nub, and you can't get kills to save your life and have no idea what's going on, you're not just getting kicked to the kurb. Nobody gets mad about kill-stealing, because everybody reaps the rewards equally. If you've got new weapons and they can't take on much, it saves you from grinding
[12:54:58] <open_sketch> yeah and it incentivizes new players to stick around the experienced ones
[12:55:01] <open_sketch> and see how its done
[12:55:08] <Churba> Bingo!
[12:55:48] <Churba> which aids the learning process, and also helps provide a community of people willing to help out, because the game naturally helps you help other people, without even having to alter your playstyle, and be helped in return when you need it.
[12:56:18] <open_sketch> fantastic
[12:58:31] <Churba> I mean, warframe isn't perfect, there's still issues - for one, it's a fucking DENSE game, and despite coming up on being 18 months in open beta, it's only JUST gotten a halfway decent tutorial, and there's a lot of stuff that can make it tricky at first(for example, without looking at the wiki, you'd only find out how to make certain damage types by accident) but they're working on that. But that XP system and the way it effects the gam
[12:58:48] <open_sketch> yeah i've heard mixed things
[12:59:02] <open_sketch> but like
[12:59:06] <Churba> It's only just tipped over into "Easy to pick up, hard to master" territory
[12:59:07] <open_sketch> anything with a system that smart in it
[12:59:13] <open_sketch> has to be worth at least taking a look at
[12:59:14] <open_sketch> also
[12:59:32] <open_sketch> i've been playing league of legends and trying to learn dota
[12:59:37] <open_sketch> so you cannot intimidate me with arcane bullshit
[13:00:39] <Churba> Oh god don't worry, it's nowhere near as arcane bullshit as LOL or the dotes
[13:01:02] <open_sketch> league is actually like
[13:01:16] <open_sketch> not too bad if you have a buddy to help you through the first dozen games
[13:01:23] <Churba> And most of it, it's more arcane in the "Huh, why is that? Oh that actually makes perfect sense now that I know WHY, but why did nobody tell me why in the first place?" kinda way
[13:01:23] <open_sketch> dota is just fucking impenetrable
[13:01:53] <Churba> oh god yes
[13:02:15] <Churba> I had Joe Boomer and Nine helping me through it, 30 hours in, I still had no fucking clue what was going on.
[13:02:22] <open_sketch> lol
[13:02:33] <open_sketch> i draw the line at having to kill your own mans
[13:02:45] <open_sketch> thats some wack stuff yo
[13:02:54] <Apsup> It's like mercy killing an wouded soldier so the enemy don't get em.
[13:03:20] <open_sketch> yeah but its kind of like... a perfect example of the counter-intuitive bullshit that makes up 300% of that game
[13:03:25] <Apsup> My friend started to play dotes last month, played fuckton of bot games on his own and then started to play with me and got going pretty fast.
[13:03:47] <open_sketch> not to mention that dota feels jank as all fuck coming from league
[13:03:49] <Churba> There's literally only one situation where that can arise in warframe - one frame, Nyx, has an ulti where she throws up a sheild, and absorbs all incoming damage, then throws it out in a burst - that's also the only time that team damage applies, you can dump damage into your mate harmlessly, to kill shit bteter
[13:03:58] <Churba> bteter, yeah, I said it. Wanna fight about it
[13:04:08] <open_sketch> because of all this shit that is perfect replications of straight-up glitches
[13:04:18] <open_sketch> ahaha
[13:04:22] <open_sketch> no
[13:04:27] <open_sketch> i like that spelling bteter
[13:04:59] <open_sketch> besides the new league champs are just so fucking interesting. The newest guy, azir, has the coolest fucking ult in existance
[13:05:06] <open_sketch> he summons like six giant dudes with shields
[13:05:10] <open_sketch> and they just shove forward in front of him
[13:05:20] <open_sketch> and push everything back like the hand of god
[13:05:23] <Apsup> Sadly one can't play 99% of the league champs, unless it's their week to shine.
[13:05:39] <open_sketch> or if you just play the game a while :P
[13:05:49] <open_sketch> if you are serious about it you get the IP p darn quick
[13:06:08] <open_sketch> i play super casually and have a solid set of champs for every role
[13:06:26] <Apsup> The two reasons I couldn't never go back to LoL is the bullshit meta leveling, bullshit micropayments and region locking.
[13:06:47] <open_sketch> i do think the runes are some crazy bullshit
[13:06:49] <open_sketch> but like
[13:06:53] <Apsup> In dota I've played all heroes and I'm doing an challenge where I try to get a win with every hero.
[13:08:07] <open_sketch> i dunno i think the league champs are honestly way more interesting. a lot of the dota champs are quite clearly "this is what we could get away with on the warcraft engine"
[13:08:24] <open_sketch> whereas like... i've been playing vel'koz recently and his entire kit is just wild insanity
[13:08:47] <Churba> Oh, and something you'll appreciate, Sketch - while the frames themselves are pretty blank slates generally, your voice-on-the-radio boss (lotus) is basically an all-powerful woman, and approx 10 of the 20 frames so far are women, ranging across all roles, from healer support, to tanks, to controllers, to glass cannon DPS machines. Though, with various builds, many frames can multi-role - for example, trinity can DPS and Heal, Oberon is
[13:08:54] <open_sketch> his Q is this skillshot that bursts into two right-angle shots
[13:08:57] <open_sketch> :D
[13:08:59] <open_sketch> yis
[13:09:15] <open_sketch> i am pro ninja gender equality
[13:09:28] <open_sketch> thats not easy for them you know
[13:09:35] <open_sketch> they tried having marches
[13:09:38] <open_sketch> but nobody noticed
[13:09:39] <Churba> One enemy faction even has female bosses(the other two going for robots, and...kinda infected genderless zombie things)
[13:10:02] <Churba> And a Matriarchal society to boot
[13:10:02] <open_sketch> brb downloading warframe
[13:10:14] <open_sketch> brb downloading it twice
[13:10:54] <Churba> heh - On the forums, Omnutia and I both play on the reg. Omnom is pretty new but getting to be an ass-kicker in his own right, and I'm about 500 hours in because I'm a hopeless addict
[13:11:15] <Churba> (Though, that's over the entire 12 months plus it's been out)
[13:12:14] <open_sketch> you might see me playing some rounds
[13:12:18] <open_sketch> in the very near future
[13:13:24] <Churba> Oh, and just to give you the cherry on top? Pretty much everything in the game can be picked up without spending money, pretty much trivially. Even the brand spanking new prime Nyx frame and two Prime weapons they just introduced TODAY (and at a price point of about 200 bucks for the whole set) are already in the game, able to be picked up and built for free, though admittedly only from higher level missions.
[13:13:39] <open_sketch> :D
[13:13:53] <open_sketch> i must now embark upon a terrible an unenviable mission
[13:13:57] <Churba> It's a bit hard early on, but you rapidly build up such a serious personal cache of resources by just playing the game normally that you rarely have to grind.
[13:14:16] <open_sketch> playtesters have been demanding costume parts from this show i know nothing about
[13:14:22] <Churba> Which show?
[13:14:30] <open_sketch> called "magical girl lyrical nanoha"
[13:14:31] <Churba> (I might have read the manga)
[13:14:35] <Churba> huh
[13:14:43] <Churba> sounds familiar. I'll check my list.
[13:14:51] <open_sketch> all i know is that its crazy popular, and the tv tropes describes it as A MAGICAL GIRL SHOW... FOR DUDES
[13:14:53] <open_sketch> which is like
[13:14:55] <Churba> I'm wildly indiscriminate in my manga reading, it's not unlikely.
[13:15:00] <open_sketch> alarm bells :P
[13:15:21] <Churba> There's two ways it can go - crappy magical girl moe shit for otaku dudes
[13:15:26] <open_sketch> i'm trying to write this celebration of the genre and
[13:15:31] <open_sketch> yeah if its crappy moe shit
[13:15:34] <Churba> Or dudes in highly colourful salor fuku
[13:15:35] <open_sketch> i dont want to associate with it
[13:15:42] <Churba> sailor, rather
[13:15:54] <Churba> Aw
[13:15:54] <open_sketch> like... part of the reason i'm writing this game
[13:15:58] <Churba> I was hoping for the latter
[13:16:12] <open_sketch> is because the other forum im on, the roleplaying forum are all playing this game called magical burst
[13:16:24] <open_sketch> which billed itself as a dark magical girl game
[13:16:26] <open_sketch> and i read the rules
[13:16:32] <open_sketch> and was just fucking appalled basically :P
[13:16:59] <open_sketch> the author confused "dark" with "the middle episodes of madoka" and "magical girl" with "suffering moeblob"
[13:17:18] <Churba> I would read a manga about moe blobfish
[13:17:28] <open_sketch> so it is quite literately a game where you spend character creation defining everything a character has to lose
[13:17:38] <open_sketch> and then the mechanics just drag you through a mile of broken glass over and over
[13:17:47] <Churba> UGUUU SEMPAI DIDN'T NOTICE ME BECAUSE I LIVE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN AND EVERYTHING IS REAL FUCKING DARK AROUND HERE FUCK TURN ON A LIGHT
[13:17:51] <open_sketch> ahahah
[13:18:16] <open_sketch> i was already thinking about writing this game and had kind of started when i read through it
[13:18:28] <open_sketch> and it basically made me go like, well, first off, you think this is dark i'll show you motherfuckin' dark
[13:18:31] <open_sketch> but also like
[13:18:50] <Churba> Well, there's only one solution for Mgical lyrical whataverthingy
[13:19:10] <Churba> same as a shitty, broke-ass car - strip that sucker for parts you can use, and turn it into something far more awesome
[13:19:16] <open_sketch> man magical girl shows are basically coming of age stories. like, that's the central premise. and your game's whole thing is that everyone fucking dies before they can come of age!
[13:19:29] <Churba> and, where nessassary, subvert any parts you think would be cooler that way
[13:19:32] <open_sketch> yeah
[13:19:35] <open_sketch> it pretty much came up because
[13:19:45] <open_sketch> people keep building these incredible magical nuke characters
[13:19:54] <open_sketch> because offense was WAY more powerful than defense in early versions
[13:20:18] <open_sketch> and apparently the thing about this show is that they are kind of magitech magical girls who have insane beamwars and fight spaceships with magic spells
[13:21:04] <open_sketch> so a kit inspired by that show would well fit a costume set tailored for magical attacking
[13:21:43] <open_sketch> and im not nessesarily opposed i mean, fuck there's a kill la kill kit in there :P
[13:22:44] <open_sketch> but like, sure kill la kill is fanservicey as all fuck and everything but it's also this super postive dynamic show with female characters that have agency and shit so fuck yeah i'll throw that in
[13:23:08] <Churba> Oh, kill la kill. Finally, a show that approaches female empowerment without equating female empowerment to being entirely chaste and embarrased until you find your one true doki doki sempai
[13:23:23] <open_sketch> yeah!
[13:23:26] <open_sketch> except i would argue
[13:23:31] <open_sketch> that sailor moon is already that times a billion
[13:23:36] <open_sketch> :P
[13:23:42] <open_sketch> just with less actual nudity
[13:23:45] <open_sketch> not no nudity
[13:23:46] <open_sketch> but less
[13:23:47] <Churba> True, but I haven't watched or read it, so I can't say.
[13:23:50] <open_sketch> oh
[13:24:05] <Churba> It's on the list, but still
[13:24:40] <Churba> I've a lot to say about the strange relationship between feminisim and sexuality, particularly sex work, but that's for another time entirely because holy fuck am I tired
[13:24:40] <open_sketch> well, usagi is bisexual, lusts after... really most of the characters at some point, and her kid from the future is a major character so chasteness is kind of out the window :P
[13:25:01] <Churba> Truth, aye?
[13:25:06] <open_sketch> yeah
[13:25:16] <open_sketch> like
[13:25:19] <Churba> Unfortunately, not present in the small sampling of it I've seen
[13:25:27] <open_sketch> i can't even begin to unstring that bullshit
[13:25:30] <open_sketch> in my own head
[13:25:38] <open_sketch> i just kind of try to go with whatever sounds positive
[13:25:39] <Churba> but most of the sampling I saw was when I was much younger, and it was saturday morning cartoon kind of edits
[13:25:44] <open_sketch> oh yeah
[13:25:46] <open_sketch> the dub
[13:25:49] <open_sketch> of sailor moon
[13:25:50] <Churba> like, the 4kids dub of dragonball style
[13:25:51] <open_sketch> is traaaash
[13:25:56] <open_sketch> like
[13:25:57] <open_sketch> okay
[13:26:03] <open_sketch> season 3 introduces the best characters ever
[13:26:12] <open_sketch> the outer sensei
[13:26:22] <open_sketch> sailors neptune and uranus
[13:26:29] <open_sketch> they are a lesbian couple omg scandel
[13:26:34] <open_sketch> in the dic dub?
[13:26:35] <Churba> But all this manga keeps telling me to listen to my inner sensei
[13:26:36] <open_sketch> cousins
[13:26:44] <open_sketch> senshi
[13:26:44] <open_sketch> fuck
[13:26:45] <open_sketch> whatever
[13:26:48] <open_sketch> sailor scouts
[13:27:06] <Churba> All good, I knew what you meant
[13:28:01] <Churba> I may not have seen the show, but I am one of the one people on the forums who still listens to the show, and scrym do talk about it from time to time
[13:28:49] <open_sketch> which is kind of hilarious because like... sailor uranus' whole thing is that she hits on everything with a skirt, and the running gag is literately every sailor scout falls in love with her
[13:29:40] <Churba> I can dig it
[13:29:50] <open_sketch> and they didn't actually edit any of that footage in the dub
[13:29:55] <open_sketch> they just kind of tried to play it off
[13:30:15] <open_sketch> so it comes off super dumb
[13:31:18] <Churba> I can't promise to watch the show - half the appeal of manga to me is that it's so much faster for me, since I can usually read entire arcs in the same amount of time that I would have to sit down and watch an episode - I wil definitely bump the manga up the list.
[13:31:27] <open_sketch> also, objective fact: sailor uranus has the coolest attack in the universe
[13:31:28] <open_sketch> https://www.youtube.com
[13:31:35] <Bronz|work> Watch it at 1.3 speed
[13:31:37] <Churba> And yes, I realise it's long, but I'm not terribly intimidated by that, I mean fuck, I read jojos
[13:31:47] <open_sketch> hehehe
[13:32:05] <open_sketch> i can probably assemble some kind of list of must-watch episodes of classic
[13:32:21] <open_sketch> you can skip huge chunks of monster of the week
[13:32:25] <open_sketch> especially in the first two seasons
[13:33:00] <Churba> That'd be cool, I'd appreciate that.
[13:33:06] <open_sketch> shit i've been writing the recap list on tv tropes
[13:33:06] <open_sketch> http://tvtropes.org
[13:33:14] <open_sketch> i can probably just work with what i got there
[13:33:59] <open_sketch> also writing this recap is great because you can sort of see exactly the point where i stopped thinking the show was dumb and started thinking it was the best show in the universe
[13:34:41] <Churba> Boom, saved. Cheers man
[13:35:26] <open_sketch> you basically just want to escape the first two seasons because they are funny and fun and all but season 3 is where they got money
[13:35:35] <open_sketch> and suddenly they could do all the visual gags they wanted
[13:35:50] <open_sketch> and the show jumps in humour density about threefold
[13:36:18] <Churba> Tip in return - never bother with the Madoka Magica manga. It's a shittily done cash grab, where they've basically said "How many random important-seeming scenes can we re-create in stills, with nothing between them?"
[13:36:30] <open_sketch> oh that sucks
[13:36:37] <Churba> "Oh, and all the charm and intelligence of the show? Leave that out."
[13:36:43] <open_sketch> but why would i bother with that
[13:36:57] <open_sketch> when i can just watch the three minute long transformation sequence from the third movie on youtube
[13:36:59] <open_sketch> over and over
[13:37:09] <Churba> I don't know, people do wierd stuff all the time
[13:37:19] <open_sketch> i still cannot watch that series again
[13:37:23] <open_sketch> i watched it once
[13:37:26] <open_sketch> and i sat there like
[13:37:29] <open_sketch> okay if i do this again
[13:37:32] <open_sketch> i will probably die
[13:38:01] <open_sketch> i managed to get it together for that third movie, which is wierd as hell
[13:38:19] <open_sketch> but there ain't now way i'm putting myself through episodes 9-13ish again
[13:38:37] <Churba> I haven't watched the movies yet - just a time thing, really, I don't get time to watch movies like that
[13:38:49] <open_sketch> first two movies are just recap
[13:38:51] <Churba> I can watch english language movies, because I can half pay attention
[13:38:58] <Churba> but nothing foreign
[13:38:59] <open_sketch> third movie is actual movie
[13:39:33] <open_sketch> https://www.youtube.com
[13:39:45] <open_sketch> and it has this incredibly overwrot transformation sequence
[13:39:49] <open_sketch> which is basically just self-parody
[13:39:55] <Churba> hah, nice
[13:40:02] <Churba> Alright, I am bed, but I leave you with a final tip
[13:40:10] <Churba> If you're not reading Afterlife with Archie
[13:40:12] <Churba> GO FUCKING READ IT
[13:40:15] <open_sketch> OKAY
[13:40:17] <Churba> It's fucking NUTS
[13:40:17] <open_sketch> i saw that
[13:40:22] <open_sketch> and i thought it was a joke
[13:40:22] <open_sketch> like
[13:40:26] <open_sketch> i didnt know it was real
[13:40:31] <open_sketch> i didnt have indepdent verification
[13:40:51] <Churba> Sabrina spellman having a king-kong cthulu mashup sacrifice/marriage to Cthulu IS NO FUCKING JOKE SON
[13:41:07] <open_sketch> god damn
[13:41:59] <Churba> http://i.imgur.com
[13:42:06] <Churba> http://i.imgur.com
[13:42:20] <open_sketch> god DAMN
[13:44:11] <Churba> It is the most insane, wonderful thing to come out of western comics in a long time. And it's from fucking ARCHIE
[13:44:30] <Churba> It is legitimately a masterpiece
[13:45:04] <Churba> Right, I best be off. Catch you later.
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[21:54:14] <open_sketch> my playtesters appear to have settled on "teleport-spamming archer" as the new awesomebuild
[21:54:42] <open_sketch> its a pretty great set of imagery but it cant be ALL that people play...
[21:58:33] <Apsup> That's what happens, people optimize and optimization can lead to one definite thing.
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