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[07:25:20] <Bronzdragon> HELLO
[07:25:26] <Bronzdragon> Sorry, I was too excited
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[08:01:57] <Bronzdragon> 'ello.
[08:03:03] <sK0pe> hi, haven't used IRC since the 90's wtf
[08:03:13] <sK0pe> forgot all the commands
[08:03:17] <sK0pe> lol
[08:04:18] <Bronzdragon> Yeah.
[08:04:24] <Bronzdragon> Looks like you made it though!
[08:05:30] <sK0pe> I guess it's because all the neckbeards forced me into using text based linux at university
[08:05:52] <sK0pe> and Nelson's recommendation on Friday Night Party Line
[08:06:10] <Bronzdragon> I coudln't imagine using text only Linux for anything productive.
[08:06:19] <Bronzdragon> But the commandline sure is useful.
[08:08:14] <Bronzdragon> So, I don't wish to seem rude, but I am curious, why are you here today?
[08:09:44] <sK0pe> just thought I'd drop in and see how many of the forumites hang out here
[08:09:56] <Bronzdragon> It's not very busy at this time.
[08:10:28] <Bronzdragon> In about 7-ish hours is when it gets busier.
[08:11:08] <Bronzdragon> I'm glad you're here though.
[08:11:29] <sK0pe> yeah i'm in Australia it's 4:11pm but 6am over on the east coast
[08:11:33] <Bronzdragon> This AD certificate training would be too much on my poor brain if not for some sort of interruption.
[08:11:45] <sK0pe> AD?
[08:11:53] <Bronzdragon> Active Directory
[08:12:11] <Bronzdragon> It's like windows administration for multiple computers at once.
[08:12:37] <sK0pe> I don't know what that means, I will google
[08:13:00] <Bronzdragon> I'd be intersted to learn how AD works, but this is learning how this one specific company's AD is set up.
[08:13:06] <Bronzdragon> So it's quite boring.
[08:13:51] <sK0pe> oh cool, whatever you need to get that job
[08:14:12] <sK0pe> sounds like database stuff run in Windows?
[08:15:05] <Bronzdragon> You know how you have a user account on your computer?
[08:15:10] <Bronzdragon> And you need a password to sign in?
[08:15:32] <Bronzdragon> Active directory stores all user accounts so you can log in with your user account on another (AD connected) computer, for example.
[08:15:40] <Bronzdragon> Or you can use to to share files across the network.
[08:15:47] <Bronzdragon> Or it does mail, for example, or DNS.
[08:15:58] <Bronzdragon> So, y'know, a pretty big IT tool.
[08:18:01] <sK0pe> hmm so much more than regular DBMS (e.g. SQL, Json, xml)
[08:18:20] <Bronzdragon> Well, it's part of Windows.
[08:18:26] <Bronzdragon> It's built in, sort of.
[08:21:17] <sK0pe> So is it file system based?
[08:21:44] <Bronzdragon> I'm not sure if that question makes sense.
[08:21:46] <Bronzdragon> So... no?
[08:22:10] <Bronzdragon> It's nothing to do with databases at all.
[08:26:38] <sK0pe> lol ok sorry I'm also writing up an engineering proposal while trying to talk
[08:26:55] <Bronzdragon> I think that takes precident then.
[08:27:03] <Bronzdragon> It's okay, I'm just a little bored.
[08:27:13] <sK0pe> I know the procrastination feels
[08:27:28] <Bronzdragon> :
[08:27:34] <Bronzdragon> Yes.
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[09:00:22] <Bronzdragon> Hey Apsup!
[09:00:30] <Bronzdragon> I'm stuck doing terrible training. SAVE ME!
[09:21:00] <Apsup> I can't.
[09:21:04] <Bronzdragon> D=
[09:25:50] <Apsup> Also the traing can't be that bad, if you have time to irc.
[09:26:03] <Bronzdragon> It's really boring.
[09:26:31] <Bronzdragon> It's not like... hard or anything
[09:26:45] <Bronzdragon> It's just that the words they say all seem to be the same non-sensical thing over and over again.
[09:28:00] <Apsup> Bork bork bork bork bork bork?
[09:28:12] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, pretty much.
[09:31:22] <Bronzdragon> For example, I'm doing a course on Major incident management
[09:31:32] <Bronzdragon> (IE, what to do if your email server is on fire)
[09:32:42] <Bronzdragon> And they've explained what it is now, 5 times. 'The primary goal of the incident management process is to restore normal service operation as quickly as possible, mininising the adverse impact on business operations and ensuring that the best possible levels of service qualtiy and availability are maintained'.
[09:32:53] <Bronzdragon> That's so verbose for no reason. This training is bad.
[09:33:01] <Bronzdragon> I could make better training.
[09:33:20] <Bronzdragon> Also, I can figure out myself that stuff being messed up is bad.
[09:33:59] <Bronzdragon> I clicked next, and it repeated what I just said in different words.
[09:34:06] <Bronzdragon> I wonder what happens next...
[09:41:18] <sK0pe> That sounds like the stupid process I needed to do to get Quarantine classified so that I could give rabies shots except that 90% of the stuff was no applicable to the small animal medicine I was practicing.
[09:49:40] <Bronzdragon> Well, I mean... I do have to deal with major incidents, possibly
[09:49:53] <Bronzdragon> In fact, BP's email was not working for like, a week and a half.
[09:51:07] <Bronzdragon> Btw, in this course there is a drawing of a guy in suit is standing around, hands in pockets. Server sirens are blaring (they have those?), one of the server racks is glowing red, and he says "How to I decide which incident I should resolve first?".
[09:51:13] <Bronzdragon> I have an idea about which one, dude....
[10:43:49] <Bronzdragon> So how was your weekend, sK0pe?
[10:46:43] <sK0pe> oh just doing this shitty first year engineering assignment with kids who don't understand technology
[10:46:43] <Robobuntoo> ...
[10:47:02] <Bronzdragon> Oh really?
[10:48:05] <sK0pe> Things not known - Google Docs, checking email more frequently than once a week, having a forwarded email address, setting up email to push to your phone
[10:49:22] <sK0pe> It's totally opposite to my CS assignments last semester where the kids I grouped up with are already working software development jobs answer email within seconds and everyone would work on Github
[10:50:31] <sK0pe> It's the same difference that Rym has spotted in kids from internet families and kids who aren't from internet families
[10:51:16] <Bronzdragon> I see, I see.
[10:52:13] <sK0pe> Other than that just finished off rewatching Battlestar Galactica, reading some comic books and trying out some new beers
[10:52:49] <Bronzdragon> My roommate refuses to watch BS:G, because he thinks it's dumb.
[10:52:53] <Bronzdragon> But it's not =(
[10:53:59] <sK0pe> I thought it was dumb initially because I didn't want to see the deeper story, it just happened that my brother bought the Boo Ray set so I've been binge watchign it and realise how good it actually is
[10:54:08] <sK0pe> *watching
[10:54:21] <sK0pe> *realised, wow such lazy typing
[10:54:50] <Bronzdragon> Hmm...
[11:06:29] <sK0pe> I'm goin to go make some dinner will probably be back in an hour.
[11:06:33] <Bronzdragon> Okay
[11:06:37] <Bronzdragon> Make some for me too!
[11:06:58] <sK0pe> Don't think it would survive the trip to the US
[11:07:04] <sK0pe> XD
[11:07:26] <Bronzdragon> I'm not in the US...
[11:07:30] <Bronzdragon> But that's fair.
[11:52:26] <Bronzdragon> Why do corperate people like "actioned"?
[11:53:05] <Bronzdragon> Instead of saying 'You have to go fill this cup', they would say ' you will need to action this cup'.
[12:14:02] <sK0pe> Oh woops didn't know you weren't in the states Bronzdragon, where do you reside?
[12:18:30] <Bronzdragon> Currently, Ireland.
[12:18:36] <Bronzdragon> Born and raised in the Netherlands though.
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[12:32:15] <sK0pe> Did you leave for a position or did the family immigrate?
[12:32:26] <Bronzdragon> Are those my two options?
[12:32:37] <Bronzdragon> I mean, I suppose I did leave for a position.
[12:32:46] <Bronzdragon> But I like to imagine I wanted to go anyway.
[12:35:11] <sK0pe> I left for the UK for my first job just because I wanted to get away from home
[12:35:29] <Bronzdragon> Where are you originally from then?
[12:36:06] <sK0pe> originally from New Delhi, India but my parents immigrated to Perth, Australia when I was 4 years old
[12:36:19] <Bronzdragon> Hmmm, I see.
[12:37:18] <sK0pe> stuck there till the end of my first stint at university then worked in the UK, Singapore, Sydney, Melbourne rural town in Australia and back to Perth again
[12:38:23] <sK0pe> What did you find to be the weirdest thing about take away shops in Ireland that you didn't expect?
[12:39:14] <Bronzdragon> That's an oddly specific question.
[12:39:28] <Bronzdragon> To be honest, non of the take-aways seem special at all.
[12:39:58] <Bronzdragon> Perhaps the most surprising is that they are so mundane?
[12:42:59] <sK0pe> I just became reminiscent (I was workin in a seaside town in Kent), there were a lot of fish and chip places yet everyone had "mushy peas", it was totally alien to me but it went really well and I was dissapointed when I came back to Australia to not see mushy peas on the menu
[12:43:22] <sK0pe> *it went really well with the fish and chips
[12:43:22] <Bronzdragon> Mushy peas sound terrible.
[12:43:41] <sK0pe> I know right? It also looks terrible.
[12:44:22] <Bronzdragon> As far as weird food goes, the weirdest I've encountered is a can of corned beef left by the previous owner in my house.
[12:44:27] <Bronzdragon> With no date on it.
[12:44:32] <Bronzdragon> It's still there as far as I know...
[12:44:38] <sK0pe> come on you can do better than that
[12:45:03] <Bronzdragon> I'm sorry!
[12:45:08] <sK0pe> so the food that you would usually have in th netherlands is very similar to irish fod?
[12:45:15] <sK0pe> *food
[12:45:40] <sK0pe> I guess Irish food is bland like English food
[12:45:43] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, the Netherlands doesn't really have it's own defined cuisine, so we borrow food from all over the world, really.
[12:46:13] <Bronzdragon> I mean, the most dutch food is cooked cale mixed with mashed potatoes with sausage and gravy.
[12:46:21] <Bronzdragon> It's delicous, but not exactly insipred.
[12:46:36] <sK0pe> That's the other weird thing that I sort of knew already, the Indian restaraunts in england were top notch and they permeated english society
[12:46:49] <sK0pe> different types of sausage?
[12:47:29] <Bronzdragon> Nah, the kielbasa (I think), is 'the' sausage to use.
[12:47:58] <sK0pe> Kielbasa is indeed great.
[12:48:04] <Bronzdragon> yes.
[12:48:21] <sK0pe> I just remembered the Dutch were expert explorers hence why they borrowed food from around the world.
[12:48:30] <Bronzdragon> http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:48:46] <Bronzdragon> I mean, I can tell you some interesting things about Dutch culture, but food is definetly not one.
[12:49:53] <sK0pe> wow I wanna try making stampot now
[12:50:16] <sK0pe> the apple sauce sounds great with kielbasa
[12:50:18] <Bronzdragon> It's really easy.
[12:50:24] <Bronzdragon> Also, that picture looks terrible.
[12:50:28] <sK0pe> i know
[12:50:31] <sK0pe> lol
[12:51:12] <Bronzdragon> Btw, this article doesn't mention it, but gravy is manditory.
[12:51:35] <sK0pe> I met a few Dutch backpapckers in Singapore, they were pretty cool and it was interesting that they had american accents
[12:52:35] <Bronzdragon> It's because non of the movies or other media are dubbed here.
[12:52:41] <sK0pe> I think I've had Stampot one of my Zimbabwean classmates had a big get together one time at his house and he cooked a bunch of kielbasa,
[12:52:49] <Bronzdragon> So because we watch American movies with subs, we learn English.
[12:53:00] <sK0pe> with a greenish dish, and gravy
[12:53:18] <Bronzdragon> It's not always green, btw. Depends on what vegabtle you use
[12:53:53] <sK0pe> I can't quite remember as this is almost 9 years ago now
[12:53:55] <Bronzdragon> Onion+carrot is common, as is sauerkraut. Green/kale is definetly the definitive one though.
[12:54:16] <Bronzdragon> I would make some here, except the shops don't carry kale?
[12:54:18] <sK0pe> plus there was much beer drinking that night
[12:54:26] <Bronzdragon> Isn't it a normal vegetable anyway?
[12:54:39] <sK0pe> oh wow you can get kale virtually anywhere in Australia
[12:54:54] <sK0pe> I bought it a few weeks back
[12:56:28] <Bronzdragon> Man, now I miss stampot.
[12:56:45] <Bronzdragon> The national food of Autralia is BBQ, right?
[13:01:06] <sK0pe> there is no national food because it's a country of immigrants
[13:01:16] <Bronzdragon> That's fair.
[13:02:24] <sK0pe> I think people just feel as if we make BBQ because it's the stereotype
[13:03:12] <sK0pe> Each family will do their barbeques differently based on where they originate from, and how that culture prepared their meat
[13:03:26] <Bronzdragon> I'm sorry. Didn't mean to stereotype all of Australia.
[13:03:52] <sK0pe> I didn't take any offence
[13:04:03] <sK0pe> my country sucks in the nationalism department
[13:04:10] <sK0pe> i hate our flag
[13:04:32] <Bronzdragon> but.. it has stars and stuff.
[13:05:08] <sK0pe> yeah and we still lick the heals of the British when the majority of the commonwealth have divorced themselves of the queen
[13:06:16] <sK0pe> I think it would be great if they changed it to the Aboriginal flag or at least changed the colours to green and gold / yellow (which is what all our sports teams wear)
[13:06:58] <Bronzdragon> Hmm... changing the flag is hard work though.
[13:07:36] <Bronzdragon> Think of all the places that use the flag. Configuration utilities, ATM language selctions, forms, etc.
[13:08:04] <sK0pe> We nearly won a referenedum to change it in the 90's but at the time old people who were pro monarch made up about 40% of the population, it's been buried since t hen
[13:09:16] <sK0pe> Every time a sporting team wins, when the currency is checked, anytime you need to see which version of a site you're using
[13:10:06] <sK0pe> I really admire the bright orange the Dutch use when competing
[13:10:28] <Bronzdragon> Our flag isn't orange though.
[13:10:33] <sK0pe> partially because I like orange as a colour :)
[13:10:38] <sK0pe> I know
[13:10:41] <Bronzdragon> In fact, orange is the colour of our monarchs.
[13:10:45] <Bronzdragon> Their last name is orange.
[13:11:02] <sK0pe> but you see how that makes some sort of sense right
[13:11:09] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, I suppose.
[13:11:26] <sK0pe> You have history that explains these things.
[13:12:22] <sK0pe> Our history is a bunch of white people came to Australia and nearly wiped out the indigenous owners of the land, then imported slaves then realised they needed immigrants to be sustainable
[13:12:55] <sK0pe> And now won't take refugees for no good reason.
[13:13:12] <Bronzdragon> Oh, yeah, I could see that history be better then 'exploited slave trade to get in a world-dominant position.'
[13:14:16] <sK0pe> Start up a "White Australia" policy and commence shooting everyone that is not white.
[13:14:41] <Bronzdragon> Oh, that's bad.
[13:15:22] <sK0pe> http://en.wikipedia.org
[13:15:31] <sK0pe> Only ended in 1966 that is crazy to me
[13:16:15] <Bronzdragon> Yes.
[13:16:37] <sK0pe> I can understand have the slave trade thing because it was all the rage in Europe at the time, you had to compete with Spaniards, British, French
[13:17:02] <sK0pe> Gotta catch them all
[13:17:05] <Bronzdragon> Do you really wanna have a 'who's history is worse' compitition?
[13:17:06] <sK0pe> Colonies!
[13:17:10] <Bronzdragon> Because I think you win.
[13:17:17] <sK0pe> lol
[13:18:35] <sK0pe> I've gotta use that line on all my US friends now and add an addendum for current state of the country to give them an extra dig
[13:18:57] <sK0pe> Oh wait I can do this to my godmother she lives in Rochester NY
[13:19:31] <Bronzdragon> I'm glad I was able to help!
[13:21:31] <Bronzdragon> So in the wikipedia 'Part of a series of articles on
[13:21:35] <Bronzdragon> Racial segregation'
[13:21:42] <Bronzdragon> Ireland also has an article
[13:22:04] <Bronzdragon> If I understand it correctly, in 1360-ish, too many British were settling, and they were becoming too Irish.
[13:22:16] <Bronzdragon> So they blocked the British out.
[13:22:40] <sK0pe> well there was that whole English vs Irish issue
[13:22:47] <Bronzdragon> Oh, wait, no The statutes tried to prevent this "middle nation", which was neither true English nor Irish,[2] by reasserting English culture among the English settlers.
[13:22:58] <sK0pe> lol
[13:23:22] <Bronzdragon> It's a little funny.
[13:25:45] <sK0pe> I was more considering the point that the English have no culture.
[13:28:12] <Bronzdragon> Is that really true?
[13:29:16] <sK0pe> Well all I saw there was a mish mash of other cultures based on which part of different cities you live in.
[13:29:56] <Bronzdragon> I think that's true of most countries though.
[13:30:51] <sK0pe> I feel as if there is a different culture in every asian country I've visited
[13:33:20] <sK0pe> I don't quite know, all I got form England was - fish and chips, BBC, really tiny apartments, streets, parking spots, houses, the entire country not existing as long as you live or can visit London on weekends
[13:33:27] <sK0pe> *from
[13:33:45] <sK0pe> Terrible internet too
[13:34:35] <Bronzdragon> Hmm..
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[14:10:14] <Bronzdragon> Hello yoshokatana!
[14:10:23] <yoshokatana> morning
[14:11:00] <Bronzdragon> How does one do?
[14:11:04] <yoshokatana> ugh
[14:11:12] <yoshokatana> Ferguson
[14:11:31] <yoshokatana> and dipshit misogynist "gamers"
[14:11:31] <Robobuntoo> ...
[14:12:01] <Bronzdragon> I'm sure there's a story about this somewhere.
[14:14:40] <yoshokatana> well, Ferguson is pretty self-explanatory
[14:15:22] <yoshokatana> but it turns out a bunch of death threats, hate speech, harassment, etc has been happening against Zoe Quinn (the game dev who made Depression Quest, among other games)
[14:15:39] <yoshokatana> so, happy tuesday .____.
[14:21:05] <Apsup> So, once again nothing new. People keep being assholes towards each other.
[14:36:58] <Bronzdragon> Dunno what's more cynical.
[14:37:08] <Bronzdragon> The death threads, or expecting them.
[14:52:58] <sK0pe> yoshokatana made me look up Textual and then I started using IRC again, I have a new form of procrastination.
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[14:54:58] <yoshokatana> hah
[14:55:03] <yoshokatana> textual is pretty good
[14:57:10] <sK0pe> I'm mostly on Windows and I started using Pidgin whiel waiting for the windows version to use on the rest of my machines
[14:57:18] <sK0pe> *while
[14:57:21] <sK0pe> *while
[14:57:50] <sK0pe> You were so right these programs haven't changed since the 90's
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