#geeknights | Logs for 2014-04-03

[03:10:25] <woodchuck> time?
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[10:59:18] <Bronzdragon> This pasta turned pudding is kind of odd.
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[12:06:27] <Bronzdragon> Hello pence
[12:24:57] <pence> hi there
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[14:10:25] <Bronzdragon> Hey yoshokatana!
[14:10:28] <yoshokatana> hallo
[14:15:59] <Bronzdragon> I can't figure out how to make my unreal blueprint go =(
[14:27:26] <yoshokatana> :-/
[14:29:23] <Bronzdragon> *shrug*
[15:03:09] <apreche> so I was really not into Hearthstone
[15:03:19] <apreche> but somehow it seems appealing on iPad, but not PC
[15:03:42] <Bronzdragon> Maybe the more casual nature?
[15:31:13] <Apsup> Makes sense, some light card gaming, on the go. Not a super complex game, but might scrath that itch a bit at a time.
[15:41:23] <apreche> they released it already in canada, australia, etc, but not US
[15:41:25] <apreche> yt
[15:41:26] <apreche> yet
[15:46:56] <Apsup> Huh. For once US doesn't get something first.
[15:47:11] <Bronzdragon> That's been the case more and more
[15:47:18] <Bronzdragon> It feels good. =P
[15:58:01] <yoshokatana> heurg. all forum software is terrible.
[15:59:08] <apreche> YEP!!!
[15:59:11] <apreche> Want to write a good one?
[16:00:05] <yoshokatana> apreche: I’m looking into doing that now
[16:00:13] <apreche> it's hella hard
[16:00:25] <yoshokatana> if vanilla weren’t so coupled with the front-end, I could use vanilla-api and write a front-end myself
[16:00:27] <apreche> writing a forum is actually like 10 projects at once
[16:00:28] <Robobuntoo> You can't like ten projects!
[16:00:30] <yoshokatana> also, yes. agreed.
[16:00:39] <apreche> you have to write:
[16:00:40] <apreche> an auth system
[16:00:48] <apreche> a messaging system
[16:00:50] <apreche> a comment system
[16:00:51] <yoshokatana> I’m trying to do the least amount of work possible, but it’s still a shit ton of work.
[16:00:52] <Robobuntoo> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2019' in position 1: ordinal not in range(128) (file "/home/ted/code/phenny/modules/robobuntu.py", line 57, in fucker)
[16:01:01] <apreche> lol!
[16:01:03] <yoshokatana> hah
[16:01:13] <apreche> your ' threw it off
[16:01:23] <apreche> since you used ’ instead of '
[16:01:24] <yoshokatana> haha
[16:02:18] <apreche> if you want to do the front end parts for serious
[16:02:23] <apreche> I will write a forum
[16:02:30] <apreche> but it has to be for serious reliable
[16:02:46] <apreche> not shit talk
[16:02:47] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[16:03:00] <yoshokatana> what would you write the backend in?
[16:03:11] <apreche> django or flask probably
[16:03:15] <apreche> but I could do something else
[16:03:46] <apreche> i really don't want to keep paying this extravagant vanilla bill
[16:03:47] <yoshokatana> hmm
[16:03:54] <yoshokatana> yeah
[16:04:28] <yoshokatana> how about this: from now until pax I’m basically doing a bunch of research and picking apart the vanilla code
[16:04:42] <apreche> the vanilla code doesn't matter, the database structure does
[16:04:47] <apreche> since I have to migrate that out.
[16:04:58] <yoshokatana> let’s talk at pax once I have a better mental model of exactly what needs to be done
[16:05:03] <yoshokatana> (and what’s extraneous)
[16:05:21] <apreche> well, I know what I need for our forum
[16:06:35] <yoshokatana> what are our major needs (that vanilla doesn’t handle well)?
[16:06:52] <apreche> the features I really want to add are things that other forums don't do
[16:07:01] <apreche> for example
[16:07:05] <apreche> if I go to a thread like TotD
[16:07:11] <apreche> there should be a horizontal strip across the top
[16:07:17] <apreche> with all the images
[16:07:20] <apreche> and another strip with all the videos
[16:07:25] <apreche> so you can browse them gallery style
[16:07:38] <yoshokatana> haha
[16:07:59] <yoshokatana> my project manager asked if we could do almost exactly the same thing
[16:08:16] <apreche> also, there should be a way to make posts within a particular thread sticky inside the thread
[16:08:27] <apreche> so no matter what page you are on, those posts are at the top
[16:08:34] <yoshokatana> mhmm
[16:08:39] <apreche> you use that for like, secret santa
[16:08:43] <apreche> so the instructions are always there
[16:08:46] <apreche> or for a tournament
[16:08:51] <apreche> so the current status is maintained in one post
[16:09:03] <yoshokatana> yeah
[16:11:08] <apreche> ok, lunch time
[16:11:31] <yoshokatana> have fun
[16:11:40] <yoshokatana> I’m gonna keep thinking about this
[16:19:52] <yoshokatana> I wonder, how much is the private messaging used on our forum?
[16:21:42] <yoshokatana> vs something like whispers
[16:22:11] <yoshokatana> (which I think were a pretty neat ux mechanic)
[16:45:55] <Bronzdragon> Making forum softwares, eh?
[17:00:12] <yoshokatana> Bronzdragon: eh, trying to see if there’s a way to do this without resorting to that
[17:00:17] <yoshokatana> but I don’t think s
[17:00:18] <yoshokatana> *so
[17:01:01] <Bronzdragon> Just make a mailing list, and post that to a website.
[17:01:09] <yoshokatana> >
[17:01:11] <yoshokatana> _
[17:01:12] <yoshokatana> >
[17:01:15] <yoshokatana> >_>
[17:01:31] <yoshokatana> brb
[17:01:47] <Bronzdragon> Ok.
[17:10:29] <apreche> it's used more than zero
[17:10:39] <apreche> even if it isn't used a lot
[17:10:46] <apreche> you need some way for forumites to directly contact each other
[17:11:02] <apreche> and some people are still crazy and think that just putting e-mail address in plain text is dangerous
[17:11:08] <apreche> so they'll be upset if you do it
[17:12:14] <apreche> there's also a huge difference between public and private forums
[17:12:22] <apreche> anyone can read the FRC forums with no login and find it on google
[17:12:30] <apreche> most forums block any reading unless you register
[17:12:37] <Bronzdragon> (Which is BS)
[17:12:38] <apreche> most of the content of the web is locked up in such places
[17:13:27] <apreche> oh yeah, search
[17:13:33] <apreche> that's another thing you have to code for the forum
[17:20:39] <yoshokatana> back
[17:20:42] <yoshokatana> yeah
[17:20:43] <apreche> this might solve our "getting people into IRC" issues
[17:20:45] <apreche> http://www.polygon.com
[17:21:22] <yoshokatana> twitch’s chat system runs over irc, correct?
[17:21:32] <Bronzdragon> Yes, mostly
[17:21:57] <Bronzdragon> It's implementation of IRC protocol is 'techically' correct, but their servers do not behave in the way you'd expect from an IRC server.
[17:22:08] <yoshokatana> ah hm
[17:22:09] <apreche> you can't chat on twitch with irssi, if that's what you mean
[17:22:17] <Bronzdragon> Yes you can.
[17:22:20] <apreche> ORLY?
[17:22:26] <apreche> how do you auth?
[17:22:39] <Bronzdragon> You auth to the server. There's a tutorial on how
[17:22:47] <apreche> sounds like a PITA
[17:22:50] <Bronzdragon> http://help.twitch.tv
[17:23:11] <Bronzdragon> It's not so terrible.
[17:23:18] <apreche> oh, using the API
[17:24:06] <yoshokatana> bleh, garden and vanilla are so tightly coupled it’s not even funny
[17:24:09] <Bronzdragon> Used to be able your password
[17:24:36] <apreche> yeah, i never understood that architecture
[17:24:50] <apreche> because there's no reason to ever build an app on garden
[17:25:05] <yoshokatana> yeah
[17:25:05] <apreche> you just want to build on vanill
[17:27:00] <yoshokatana> hey, I’ve got a joke for you
[17:27:11] <yoshokatana> class.vanillasearchmodel.php
[17:27:26] <apreche> that's the crappy search, right?
[17:27:30] <yoshokatana> yeah
[17:27:38] <apreche> the good sphinx search is closed source
[17:30:41] <yoshokatana> ahh, interesting. the guy who wrote most of vanilla (Mark O’Sullivan) doesn’t work there anymore.
[17:30:54] <apreche> NOPE
[17:31:03] <apreche> he went to Facebox or Googz or whatev
[17:31:37] <yoshokatana> yeah. I had to find that out from his facebox page, since all his other stuff just kinda drops out after early 2013
[17:32:04] <apreche> i found it out from vanilla salesforce
[17:32:33] <yoshokatana> oof, don’t mention salesforce. I hope to never touch that again
[17:33:15] <apreche> i didn't mean salesforce the app, but an actual salesperson
[17:33:43] <yoshokatana> oh right
[17:41:28] <apreche> you know, this new twitch chat feature
[17:41:34] <apreche> is one step away from destroying ventrilo/teamspeak
[17:41:46] <Bronzdragon> Wait, they do voice now?
[17:41:50] <apreche> no
[17:41:53] <apreche> but they could add it trivially
[17:41:59] <apreche> they have plenty of video/audio streaming infrastructure
[17:42:03] <Bronzdragon> But it's IRC based...
[17:42:07] <apreche> since, you know, that's what they do
[17:42:36] <apreche> obviously you don't send the audio itself over IRC
[17:42:51] <apreche> you just have the voice server look at the IRC server to see who is in what room
[17:45:55] <Bronzdragon> http://31.media.tumblr.com
[17:52:42] <Apsup> Yea no. When I watch people play videogames the Twitch quality does fine, as it's not too important, but if I'm using voice chat in a videogame I want it to be of good quality.
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[18:34:38] <pence> I need to remember to fix that
[18:45:12] <yoshokatana> ooh, fuzzy string matching in python https://github.com
[19:01:16] <Bronzdragon> What's fuzzy string matching?
[19:43:46] <GauntletWizard> It's like regular string matching
[19:43:49] <GauntletWizard> but with more fur
[19:44:51] <GauntletWizard> (For srs, it is things like matching mistypes: teh with the, typicaly with typically, etc.)
[19:54:22] <pence> https://twitter.com dammit, bag checks at the BCEC
[19:56:27] <GauntletWizard> The police state has ruined everything
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