#geeknights | Logs for 2014-01-20

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[06:23:47] <Bronzdragon> Good mornin.
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[10:24:01] <Bronzdragon> Hello Aria
[10:24:12] <Aria> hi
[10:24:44] <Bronzdragon> Been keepin' busy?
[10:24:57] <Aria> very
[10:25:20] <Aria> Also this is fucked http://www.reddit.com
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[10:27:57] <Bronzdragon> Yup.
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[10:31:46] <Bronzdragon> Hey Apsup.
[10:32:41] <Bronzdragon> Holy misleading article title, batman!
[10:33:23] <Aria> Hrm?
[10:33:29] <Bronzdragon> http://www.reddit.com
[10:33:45] <Bronzdragon> What he ACTUALLY wants to do is not provide translated documents
[10:33:53] <Bronzdragon> So that they won't have to spend money on translaters
[10:33:58] <Aria> Thats also kinda bad though
[10:34:32] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, but tht title is not representative of what the article actually says
[10:36:35] <Bronzdragon> Also, the first comment is "I don't see anything wrong" and the second is "This is the exact reason it's wrong".
[11:05:30] <Apsup> Oh, hey there B&A.
[11:05:46] <Aria> That's cool
[11:06:05] <Bronzdragon> Wutcha upto, Apsup?
[11:06:05] <Bronzdragon> And what'
[11:06:10] <Bronzdragon> What's cool, Aria?
[11:06:19] <Aria> That we got a paired title. We're like Snorlax and Pikachu
[11:06:38] <Apsup> I'm wet. Just came from shower.
[11:06:54] <Aria> That must've been one hell of a shower!
[11:06:54] <Bronzdragon> I see.
[11:06:56] <Aria> *zing*
[11:06:57] <Apsup> Now I'm trying to push my fous on learning how to do menus in Unity.
[11:07:07] <Aria> What're you making?
[11:07:17] <Bronzdragon> A Unity project! =D
[11:07:41] <Aria> Speaking of D3D projects and menus...
[11:07:44] <Apsup> Yea. Unity project with friend.
[11:07:45] <Aria> How is yours coming along?
[11:07:50] <Aria> What is the project about?
[11:08:10] <Aria> Is it... interactive? Perhaps meant for entertainment?
[11:09:51] <Bronzdragon> I haven't made much progress.
[11:10:00] <Bronzdragon> Perhaps partially due to a lack of trying.
[11:10:17] <Aria> You should redouble your efforts in the trying department
[11:10:33] <Bronzdragon> Perhaps, yes.
[11:10:43] <Apsup> It's supposed to be a computer game. Because that's what you do with Unity. So I've heard.
[11:11:29] <Aria> You can also do movies, or one of those things were you walk around a virtual museum and don't get a proper look at the art on display because of the FOV and being-displayed-on-a-monitor-nature of it
[11:12:24] <Aria> Do you want to tell us about the computer game and its mechanics?
[11:13:34] <Bronzdragon> Aye Schemaye. I too would be interested.
[11:14:02] <Apsup> Not really my project for me to blabber about, but it's a first person game with walking on walls and cielings and flipping gravity.
[11:14:36] <Bronzdragon> I see, so it's like puzzly?
[11:14:41] <Aria> How do you do the shift from floor to wall in first person? From a player perspective, not from a engine perspective
[11:15:19] <Aria> Nvm, I figured it out
[11:15:21] <Aria> Im just slow
[11:15:46] <Apsup> You fly there and spin around in the air. It's still at early stages, so while the basic framework kinda works, it kinda doesn't.
[11:16:09] <Apsup> Also that's not my primary resposibility. I'm now in menu duty.
[11:16:32] <Bronzdragon> Menus should be easy
[11:16:39] <Bronzdragon> Just have a 2D plane off-camera
[11:16:50] <Bronzdragon> When you activate the menu, POP, in goes the plane.
[11:16:55] <Aria> Menus are fun because they always break and you have no idea why =)
[11:16:58] <Bronzdragon> You have materials that are always fully lit.
[11:17:05] <Apsup> There are things meant to menus in Unity. No need to fiddle with funny busines.
[11:17:14] <Bronzdragon> Oh, right.
[11:18:15] <Bronzdragon> So, I'm subscribed to /r/programmerHumor. It's basically just a feed of every XKCD.
[11:18:25] <Bronzdragon> That's really the only thing in that subreddit.
[11:18:36] <Aria> =P
[11:18:39] <Bronzdragon> And they can't even get THAT right, seeing as they skip the ones not about programming.
[11:33:54] <Aria> Post on reddit
[11:33:55] <Aria> "I've seen scores of people speak longer and more vigorously about upstart vs systemd then they ever would about human rights"
[12:17:30] <Aria> How's your menu going?
[12:19:52] <Bronzdragon> Hmmm, I think I'll go for the tournadoux
[12:20:40] <Aria> Huh?
[12:20:59] <Aria> I meant Apsup by the way, but I'm curious about yours too
[12:22:58] <Apsup> I did a crude main menu.
[12:23:01] <Apsup> It was easy.
[12:23:12] <Aria> Can we see?
[12:23:17] <Apsup> It quits the game and goes to the test scne my friend made.
[12:23:17] <Bronzdragon> Mine was a joke
[12:23:18] <Apsup> No!
[12:23:24] <Aria> Ok =(
[12:23:30] <Bronzdragon> Apsup isn't even supposed to be talking about it
[12:23:33] <Aria> How functional is it?
[12:23:41] <Apsup> It's two buttons.
[12:23:45] <Apsup> They are quite big.
[12:23:54] <Bronzdragon> Make it two bottoms and we have a deal.
[12:23:59] <Apsup> Though, the font could be bigger.
[12:25:27] <Bronzdragon> What is this? a font-size for ants?
[12:25:33] <Bronzdragon> Needs to be at least... 4 times bigger.
[12:25:46] <Aria> If you can see all the letters, you fucked up
[12:26:32] <Aria> http://www.starznet.co.uk
[12:27:05] <Aria> Unless you wanna be retro, in which case the text needs to all be in a tiny box and take ages to scroll fire sentences at the time
[12:28:13] <Aria> http://www.theaveragegamer.com
[12:28:26] <Aria> (One of the better examples, I couldn't find one that is really bad)
[12:28:40] <Apsup> I've been watching an Dark Souls blind let's play lately. The player is pretty bad, but seeing first timer get into situations is entertaining.
[12:28:50] <Apsup> Last night he encountered skeleton wheels.
[12:28:55] <Aria> I have to agree
[12:29:10] <Aria> Which one? Any good? I had one I wanted to watch last week, but was too busy at work to watch it
[12:29:15] <Aria> figured Ill watch it this week
[12:29:18] <Aria> just need to find it again
[12:30:18] <Apsup> http://www.youtube.com What I like most about this, is that he looks up few things like curse and gets few hints from comments, but doesn't go to the wikis and walktrhoughs to the poin of evey other blind Dark Souls let's play I've seen.
[12:33:30] <Bronzdragon> Y'know what I hate? Misinformation.
[12:33:35] <Bronzdragon> http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com
[12:37:40] <Aria> Why is he playing offline?
[12:38:16] <Apsup> I don't know. I don't think he even knew that he was playing offline until like twenty episodes in.
[12:38:42] <Aria> Is he currently? Or does he only think he is?
[12:39:22] <Apsup> I think he plays offline whole game.
[12:40:28] <Aria> He really needs a faster crossbow
[12:41:05] <Apsup> He needs lots of things. Though, he seems to prefer bigger numbers to speed.
[12:42:27] <Aria> He actually checks item descriptions and things. Thats cool
[12:43:02] <Aria> 58 episodes in and still breaks pots expecting loot =P
[12:43:22] <Apsup> I think he just breaks them to break them.
[12:43:50] <Apsup> Also the item description thing was told in comments and after that he went through almost every item he got or found.
[12:43:53] <Bronzdragon> I also still break pots
[12:47:14] <Apsup> Also I beat Volgar the Viging yesterday. It was kinda hard.
[12:47:38] <Aria> I like how he handled that fight. He was getting hit by like 5 dudes constantly and just tanked it with estus =P
[12:48:14] <Apsup> Two hands, heavy swings, heavy armor and estus have been his go to ways through the game.
[12:48:35] <Apsup> SOmetimes he almost learns to use the shield and then gives it up next episode.
[12:49:09] <Aria> =P
[12:49:23] <Bronzdragon> A true trooper
[12:50:16] <Apsup> Though Stray demon he beat naked. I'm pretty sure.
[12:50:36] <Apsup> At least he had multiple good runs against him without armor.
[12:51:34] <Aria> That was fun.
[12:51:35] <Aria> thank you
[12:55:11] <Aria> That guy over there ^ is pretending to work by opening a bunch of terminals and typing ls in them whenever people walk past.
[12:56:00] <Bronzdragon> The best way to work
[12:56:13] <Bronzdragon> Until it goes horribly wrong and you get ascii boobs
[12:56:28] <Aria> from ls? damn...
[12:59:05] <Bronzdragon> Hey, I can make it happen.
[12:59:20] <Bronzdragon> Y'know, that'd be funny
[12:59:34] <Bronzdragon> "Why are the directories in your home called so weirdly?
[12:59:40] <Bronzdragon> "Well...."
[13:01:09] <Aria> So Thinkpengiun is a webstore that sells laptops
[13:01:19] <Aria> they build them themselves and they're built for Linux
[13:01:41] <Aria> When you order, there is field where you type in what OS and software you want on it and how it should be partitioned
[13:01:43] <Aria> thats pretty cool
[13:02:04] <Bronzdragon> I like that it's not like, 3 dropdowns
[13:02:10] <Bronzdragon> No, it's like, a textfield
[13:03:12] <Aria> Yes
[13:03:24] <Aria> Though their offerings are very expensive
[13:03:32] <Aria> and upgrading is equally expensive
[13:03:33] <Bronzdragon> Can you buy it blank?
[13:03:43] <Bronzdragon> (for cheaper, I mean)
[13:03:57] <Aria> Probably not
[13:04:19] <Aria> +150USD to go from 4GB RAM to 16G. +100USD to go from 80GB HDD to 500GB
[13:04:31] <Aria> Also there is a drop down for keyboard layout
[13:04:35] <Aria> but they only offer US =P
[13:05:14] <Bronzdragon> Aww =(
[13:05:53] <Aria> 40USD per half an hour of phone support!
[13:06:10] <Aria> Thats way too much
[13:09:00] <Bronzdragon> Isn't that what you charge as well?
[13:18:24] <Bronzdragon> Aliens: Colonial Marines sold season passes for it's DLC
[13:18:28] <Bronzdragon> $30.
[13:18:40] <Bronzdragon> They have released only one piece of DLC, for $10
[13:18:42] <Bronzdragon> So sad
[14:52:44] <Aria> How about you? How many D3D menus did you hack in?
[14:53:16] <Bronzdragon> 0
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[14:54:10] <Aria> Didn't you get one into the bioshock benchmark?
[14:54:13] <Aria> That counts
[14:54:24] <Aria> Now try to get another one before I get home
[14:58:43] <Bronzdragon> I'll... try
[14:58:45] <Bronzdragon> No promises.
[15:04:24] <Bronzdragon> Wait, how does this guy have 13 estus without rite of rekindling?
[15:08:10] <Aria> 10
[15:08:12] <Aria> +3
[15:08:19] <Aria> from idling for an hour
[15:08:26] <Bronzdragon> Oh, I see.
[15:08:46] <Aria> Or 5 +8 form idling for 4 hours
[15:09:09] <Aria> If you rest at the first bonfire in the burg, you'll be up to 13 in no time
[15:09:27] <Bronzdragon> But he's clearly in the catacombs
[15:09:44] <Aria> Hence one hour wait
[15:10:12] <Aria> But if he was in the burg first bonfire, in the same time, he'd have 99
[15:10:27] <Bronzdragon> It doesn't actually go above 20.
[15:10:33] <Aria> It doesn't?
[15:10:37] <Aria> I didn't know that
[15:11:11] <Bronzdragon> Not when I tried using the cheat engine.
[15:11:28] <Bronzdragon> Well, I can set it to >20. But after drinking once, I'd be at 20.
[15:11:36] <Bronzdragon> So I guess the max is 21.
[15:11:36] <Aria> I see
[15:11:56] <Aria> Alright, so in the same time in the burg, he'd be at 20,. How about that?
[15:13:09] <Bronzdragon> I'm okay with this.
[15:13:39] <Bronzdragon> ...
[15:13:50] <Bronzdragon> How long can the skelletons dance on his body without him caring?
[15:13:56] <Bronzdragon> Like, goddamn.
[15:14:41] <Aria> Are you watching the same video I watched
[15:14:44] <Aria> or the next one?
[15:14:47] <Bronzdragon> Yes, same one.
[15:14:55] <Bronzdragon> 58.
[15:14:58] <Aria> k
[15:19:49] <Apsup> If you are refering to the videos I liked, I'm pretty sure he has rite of rekindling at that point.
[15:20:07] <Aria> Its his first time through the Catacombs
[15:20:20] <Aria> Surely he has not killed Pinwheel but does not know how to get to Pinwheel?
[15:20:35] <Apsup> It's catacombs, there are multiple ways to go.
[15:20:50] <Apsup> First time he dropped down to the smith hole and went there.
[15:21:02] <Aria> There are two ways to go. There is jumping down and skipping the catacombs, and then there is using the only path through
[15:21:08] <Aria> I see
[15:21:15] <Apsup> The smith hole skips about half.
[15:21:20] <Apsup> And there are sidepaths.
[15:21:24] <Apsup> that mix things up.
[15:21:55] <Apsup> *mixes.
[16:06:16] <Bronzdragon> So...
[16:06:42] <Bronzdragon> When I hook d3d without DSfix, it seems instead, it crashes.
[16:06:56] <Bronzdragon> (rather than freezes the image and continues in the background.
[16:13:50] <Aria> =/
[16:14:05] <Aria> dsfix is by the way open source
[16:14:10] <Aria> so you can try hacking it in there
[16:15:00] <Bronzdragon> Yeah.
[16:15:03] <Bronzdragon> Well, 'hacking'.
[16:16:35] <Bronzdragon> It'd be so much easier if I didn't have to make an in-game UI... =P
[16:16:54] <Aria> Initial method of changing humanity counter works
[16:17:03] <Aria> But it would be very nice to have it be in game
[16:17:11] <Aria> Very professional and such
[16:18:00] <Bronzdragon> Changing the humanity counter without changing the humanity number would be really hard.
[16:19:12] <Bronzdragon> Guy in other chatroom says it's cheat detection
[16:21:06] <Bronzdragon> Hey, do you know how the aggression mod works?
[16:21:17] <Bronzdragon> Enemies have a spawn, and a 'leash', right?
[16:21:28] <Bronzdragon> Aggression mod makes the leash be centered on the player.
[16:21:42] <Aria> Aha?
[16:22:33] <Bronzdragon> That's it. That's how it works.
[16:22:43] <Bronzdragon> Enemies try to enter the rest state in the player.
[16:36:41] <Aria> I see
[16:36:50] <Aria> That seems clever
[16:37:10] <Bronzdragon> Yeah.
[16:37:21] <Bronzdragon> I just thought he extended the leash very far.
[16:39:08] <Aria> I thought he actually changed the aggression. Clearly I am very simple minded
[16:39:38] <Bronzdragon> Usually, "aggression" is a yes/no in these kind of cases.
[16:41:07] <Aria> So any way around the supposed cheat detection?
[16:45:18] <Aria> This guy tanked Carpa and dogs
[16:45:23] <Aria> That is crazy
[16:47:38] <Bronzdragon> 1. Darkbyte logs into IRC
[16:47:46] <Bronzdragon> 2. Cheatengine.org stops loading
[16:48:09] <Aria> Doesn't mean he's too busy to answer! =P
[16:50:09] <Bronzdragon> It's backup time, he said.
[16:50:20] <Aria> I see
[16:59:11] <Aria> Heading home
[16:59:54] <Bronzdragon> Cya soon.
[17:38:45] <Bronzdragon> *sigh*
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