#geeknights | Logs for 2013-05-10

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[09:06:31] <Bronzdragon> HOLA
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[11:31:01] <Bronzdragon> Apsup.
[11:32:07] <Apsup> Bronz!
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[13:45:15] <Cybylt> Hello
[13:47:38] <Bronzdragon> Cybylt.
[13:47:58] <Cybylt> Bronzdragon
[13:49:57] <Bronzdragon> How is Cybylt?
[13:51:29] <Cybylt> I'm alright, had some toast and tea for breakfast. Bugging people to join me on TOR but not many people are too into that idea. Though the game is greatly improved from launch. Ah well
[13:51:33] <Cybylt> How is Bronz?
[13:51:58] <Bronzdragon> Bit bored
[13:52:10] <Bronzdragon> I'm doing my best avoiding being productive
[13:52:54] <Apsup> Hey, me too! I'm very good at it.
[13:53:28] <Bronzdragon> Yay!
[13:53:33] <Cybylt> Get TOR, go on Harbinger server, be unproductive with me.
[13:54:16] <Apsup> But I'm already unproductive with Dota.
[13:54:33] <Apsup> Also pretty sure that tor is bigger than 10 gigs.
[13:54:37] <Apsup> Would blow my quota.
[13:55:03] <Cybylt> 20-ish
[13:55:20] <Apsup> Yea, nope.
[13:55:25] <Cybylt> 25? Probably more with the expansion
[13:56:00] <Apsup> Holy shit that's huge. No way I'm going to waste my limited daily quota for a game that I'm not even interested in.
[13:56:56] <Cybylt> fair enough
[14:06:00] <Bronzdragon> Oh! "The Old Republic!"
[14:06:04] <Bronzdragon> Riiiight
[14:09:50] <Cybylt> apparently 4 days til the next update, though this one will largely be cash shop. They've more than doubled their income since going free to play so they can now afford to speed up the update process
[14:10:22] <Cybylt> though this upcoming one is largley cash shop, next month's will apparenlty add more endgame content and little to no cash shop items.
[14:11:23] <Cybylt> Largely because this one is largely a cosmetics upgrade, a barber/appearance changing kiosk is being added, a new playable race will be up, new hairstyles, scars, tattoos and face options added to existing races
[14:13:15] <Cybylt> Oh, and the last update added achievements that give tokens to the cash shop instead of being there just to be there.
[14:13:36] <Cybylt> also added a new 50-55 area to an existing planet
[14:13:43] <Cybylt> along with gear tied to that new zone
[14:15:42] <Cybylt> some of the 55 gear looks very silly
[14:15:57] <Cybylt> especially the Sith Warrior stuff, which comes from a long line of silly looking things
[14:15:59] <Cybylt> http://tor-fashion.com
[14:16:21] <Cybylt> http://tor-fashion.com
[14:16:36] <Cybylt> I gues it's what happens when you want to make a Vader helmet but aren't allowed to do so
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[14:33:15] <Bronzdragon> hello again
[14:33:18] <Bronzdragon> You were missed
[14:33:33] <Cybylt> My brother did a dick move and took the cable while I was taking the dog out
[14:33:55] <Cybylt> well hopefully the wireless is no longer shit
[14:35:03] <Bronzdragon> OH NOES
[14:35:17] <Cybylt> Nope, still pretty crap
[14:36:09] <Bronzdragon> Indeed o_q
[14:36:58] <Cybylt> Apparently we went past our bandwidth allocation last month, so to ensure it doesn't happen the isp is putting a speed cap on us. Though it only seems to affect the wireless
[14:38:07] <Cybylt> Which is kinda bullshit in general because they never once mentioned a bandwidth allocation before hand
[14:38:16] <Bronzdragon> ... really?
[14:38:18] <Bronzdragon> How does that work?
[14:39:07] <Cybylt> I don't know, but most ISPs out here started to have some kind of cap, usually in the 200-300gb per month range.
[14:40:23] <Cybylt> On the plus side, ours doesn't massively jack up the cost for every gig over like AT&T does
[14:49:14] <Bronzdragon> Caps are dumb anyway
[14:49:45] <Cybylt> They really are
[14:51:24] <Cybylt> I've been told the bandwidth available in the air is running low, mostly because for whatever reason shitty, outdated satelite dishes and local access antennae/aerials are still in use and the people who broadcast the signals for them refuse to shut them down, even if they're not using them.
[14:52:17] <Bronzdragon> Well, it's a bit more complicated than that.
[14:52:32] <Bronzdragon> Immagine that the government had a bunch of land.
[14:52:45] <Bronzdragon> Then, it decided to give you a bit of land, right? for making your farm!
[14:52:55] <Bronzdragon> You farm on it, all is good, however, your son doesn
[14:52:59] <Bronzdragon> Doesn't wanna farm
[14:53:23] <Bronzdragon> So he just kind of uses the land to play paintball once in a while
[14:53:33] <Bronzdragon> But the land still belongs to him, even though he's not using it
[14:53:44] <Bronzdragon> And the city wants to build a mall there now.
[14:55:53] <Cybylt> I'm not sure that entirely fits though, this seems more like you have some land that you do nothing with. At first that doesn't matter because there's plenty of other land, but over time a city keeps building out more and more and has now come upon your property.
[14:57:08] <Cybylt> Well, I guess not do nothing with, it was a well or something, but the well has long since dried out and there are other, better water sources. So now you have a patch of dirt that you refuse to sell because you want to wait til you can make a lot of money off of it.
[14:57:17] <Cybylt> Like, tons, obscene amounts of money
[14:57:41] <Cybylt> Just biding your time until that land is an absolute necessity for that city to acquire for whatever reason
[14:58:50] <Bronzdragon> Yeah.
[14:59:26] <Cybylt> Then again I'm not sure this metaphor pans out because most governments reserve the right to take any property they like as long as they give you an equal amount of property elsewhere/of equal value.
[14:59:37] <Cybylt> If it is deemed necesarry
[15:00:48] <Cybylt> The equal value bit doesn't typically happen though
[15:01:23] <Bronzdragon> Indeed, because if they gave you equal value, there'd be no reason to take your land.
[15:02:14] <Cybylt> No I mean they could take an acre of very valuable land from you and it'd be legal if they gave you an acre in bumfuck nowhere
[15:02:44] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, I know
[15:02:53] <Bronzdragon> But they would only take land if it was valuable, right?
[15:03:14] <Bronzdragon> So if they gave you valuable land back, the goverment would gain nothing, and there would be no reason to move people
[15:03:32] <Bronzdragon> I know the goverment has different incentives than normal people do but still
[15:03:34] <Bronzdragon> You get my point, yes?
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[15:05:01] <Cybylt> The land taken's value in itself is rarely considered, I think. At least that's the case now
[15:05:49] <Cybylt> It's more like "That house/building is in the way of road construction, move it."
[15:06:03] <Bronzdragon> True enough.
[15:06:13] <Cybylt> In cities if they feel a road where a house or whatever is would fix traffic problems then they'll do it
[15:06:25] <Cybylt> similarly they could take property to expand schools or offices
[15:08:38] <Cybylt> Petitions could get around that though, for example when I lived in riverside there was a much loved local diner called The Lucky Greek. The city wanted to stop the dangers of people trying to outrun trains at railroad crossings by digging out under the tracks and turning that into a bridge and putting the streets under it. In addition, they were going to put a small station at the end of the bridge that this diner is on.
[15:09:28] <Bronzdragon> Sounds good.
[15:09:46] <Bronzdragon> At least your city goverment does sane stuff.
[15:10:15] <Cybylt> Lucky Greek is still around though, because petitionsm and has a slightly bigger and freshly paved parking lot at no cost to them as a result of the construction.
[15:10:23] <Cybylt> petitions*
[15:10:59] <Cybylt> They did that bridge thing all over southern california. We have a lot of carge carrying trains and a lot of stupid drivers
[15:11:11] <Cybylt> cargo*
[15:11:47] <Bronzdragon> I see
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