#geeknights | Logs for 2013-03-20

[00:05:58] <nine> The people you know are morons.
[00:06:02] <nine> 800 is retardedly high.
[00:06:42] <Bronz> Yeah
[00:06:48] <nine> 800 Watt PSU is for when you do retarded shit like 5 HDDs and multiple GPUs.
[00:06:49] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:06:49] <Bronz> I don't think his CPU was 800...
[00:06:54] <Bronz> Wait, PSU?
[00:06:56] <Bronz> confuse.
[00:07:00] <nine> Power Supply Unit.
[00:07:13] <Bronz> I thought we were talking about CPUs that cost $800
[00:07:14] <Bronz> =P
[00:07:32] <nine> Lrn2read.
[00:07:45] <Bronz> Yes, I did
[00:07:48] <nine> I said Watt.
[00:07:49] <nine> Not Dollars.
[00:07:51] <Bronz> Not fast enough though
[00:08:03] <Bronz> Aria has a 750
[00:08:03] <nine> IT'S THE FIRST TWO WORDS.
[00:08:05] <nine> ONE IS A NUMBER.
[00:08:11] <Bronz> It's bronze certified.
[00:08:21] <nine> You're Bronz though.
[00:08:22] <Bronz> I typed it out and pressed enter before you said that.
[00:08:31] <nine> You eschew 'e' afaik.
[00:08:31] <Bronz> I didn't certify it.
[00:08:46] <nine> You're still stupid for not reading context.
[00:08:51] <nine> We were talking about 800 Watt.
[00:08:57] <nine> And whether it is high or low.
[00:09:03] <Bronz> "Bronze certified" means it converts a lot of power into other power, and less into heat.
[00:09:10] <Bronz> Gold certified means it's REALLY good at it
[00:09:15] <nine> Pfffffffft.
[00:12:43] <Cybylt> One of them does do multiple screens and two video cards. Dunno about the other
[00:20:30] <Cybylt> Also, what would the need for a 1200PSU be then? They look like a cinder block with cables coming out of them
[00:21:39] <Bronz> For... raid?
[00:21:41] <Bronz> ... times 8?
[00:22:09] <Bronz> Could you raid multiple raid controllers in a software raid?
[00:24:16] <Bronz> Aria claims it works, though no video yet.
[00:25:13] <aria> 800 wat PSU?
[00:25:15] <aria> your firends are crazy
[00:25:24] <aria> 5HDD and 2 GPUs is what I'll end up with
[00:25:29] <aria> and Im fine with my /6/50
[00:25:37] <Bronz> You have a 750
[00:25:41] <Bronz> I have a 650
[00:25:43] <aria> I have a 650.
[00:25:56] <Bronz> You lie, yours was more powerful than mine.... unless you bought a different one!
[00:26:23] <aria> I changed which PSU I was gonna get like 4 times
[00:26:25] <aria> cause every time I bought it
[00:26:30] <aria> they emailed me and said out of stock
[00:26:34] <aria> I did that until they sent me oen
[00:26:41] <Bronz> =P I see
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[01:40:16] <Bronz> Hai MrBRAD.
[01:40:38] <MrBRAD> Yes 'tis me. Hello.
[01:44:32] <Bronz> Aria's being difficult
[01:44:36] <Bronz> "where do I plug this cable!"
[01:44:40] <Bronz> "... it has four pins!"
[01:52:26] <Bronz> *2
[01:52:35] <Bronz> but yeah
[01:52:49] <Bronz> Whups wrong channel
[02:04:01] <aria> It was a floppy drive connector.
[02:04:18] <aria> I do actually have one of those, doubt my motherboard supports it though. Case doesn't
[02:04:33] <Bronz> Hwo do you mean, case doesn't?
[02:05:53] <Apsup> Be fair to him, finding right home for every cable was probably the most annoying part of building a computer.
[02:06:42] <aria> I didn't know what a floppy connector looked like
[02:06:42] <Bronz> I didn't have much trouble, thanks to having like, 1 part.
[02:06:47] <aria> otherwise it wouldn't be a problem
[02:06:54] <Bronz> I didn't use any ATA power cables
[02:07:01] <Bronz> Because I didn't have ATA connectors on my motherboard
[02:07:10] <Bronz> So... that made that easier =P
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[02:26:57] <Bronz> Hai woodchuck
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[02:40:33] <woodchuck> hey
[02:43:29] <woodchuck> Whats the game we are supose to play?
[02:43:36] <Bronz> Backgammon?
[02:43:44] <Bronz> ... Life?
[02:44:09] <Bronz> Sleep.
[02:44:14] <Bronz> I bet it's sleep
[02:44:19] <Bronz> Oh! Don't starve!
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[02:55:17] <Bronz> hay C
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[02:58:25] <Bronz> hai Neito
[02:58:44] <woodchuck> How lond do we have till round 2 is over?
[03:01:53] <Apsup> It has barely started.
[03:02:07] <Bronz> Did you email scott?
[03:02:15] <Bronz> You have to email him again, saying that you're "back in"
[03:02:21] <Bronz> read the instructions, as per the thread
[03:04:57] <woodchuck> that sounds hard.
[03:05:29] <Bronz> HOW I EMAIL?!
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[03:17:52] <aria> The Windows 8 DVD shows a logo and nothing else
[03:17:53] <aria> oh wait
[03:17:55] <aria> now its blck
[03:17:59] <aria> Blue
[03:18:02] <aria> yey it loaded
[03:48:13] <woodchuck> anyone how to change the PDO module in PHP to enabled?
[03:49:29] <aria> Ok I have Windows 8
[03:49:38] <aria> Its pretty good looking
[03:49:42] <aria> it says "hi" when you sign in
[03:52:56] <aria> ..
[03:53:11] <aria> why does it take more space than all of my linuxes combined?
[03:54:30] <aria> >_>
[03:54:35] <aria> I can't install drivers
[03:54:38] <aria> because I get an error
[03:54:46] <aria> Ive been using win 8 for 5 seconds
[03:56:00] <Apsup> Why did you do it? Why choose 8, when 7 is know to work decently and has goor track record?
[03:59:21] <aria> I have used 7
[03:59:24] <aria> it was not decent
[03:59:34] <aria> Im tired of having to troubleshoot shit
[03:59:34] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[03:59:57] <aria> if error messages don't have a "solve the fucking problem then" button, I won't solve the problem.
[03:59:57] <Robobuntoo> ...
[04:01:58] <aria> So far this is better than 7
[04:02:04] <aria> Im installing all the crapware
[04:02:16] <aria> because Asrock no tell me what I want and what is crap
[04:02:41] <aria> (drivers are hidden among them. Without it computer no do work)
[04:02:43] <aria> Man...
[04:02:44] <aria> On linux
[04:02:47] <aria> you start your computer
[04:02:49] <aria> and there, done
[04:02:52] <aria> all drivers installed
[04:02:57] <aria> I hate having to deal with drivers
[04:03:24] <aria> Broadcom wants to look through my network traffic
[04:03:29] <aria> otherwise I can't use my ethernet
[04:03:33] <aria> Gee, thanks Broadcom
[04:07:52] <Cybylt> The more I hear from Fast Karate the more I like them
[04:07:58] <Cybylt> they're Mac Hall fans
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[04:11:36] <aria> Windows looks fine, why do you insist on making your own custom ugly ass themes, applications?
[04:11:50] <aria> Shit looks like Win Xp
[04:11:51] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
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[04:48:10] <Apsup> I feel slightly hungry, but I'm not allowed to eat. I'm allowed one class of water this morning and I save that for later.
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[04:57:56] <aria> By who?
[05:00:58] <woodchuck> I messed up.
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[05:07:30] <woodchuck_> test
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[05:20:22] <nine> woodchuck: You could just register your nick and then ghost in case of timeouts.
[05:21:52] <woodchuck> I am registered; don't know what happened.
[05:27:52] <woodchuck> nine test
[05:28:01] <woodchuck> nine: test
[05:28:14] <woodchuck> test 10 nine
[05:28:14] <Robobuntoo> You can't test ten nines!
[05:38:53] <aria> Man
[05:39:05] <aria> How the fuck do you people get software on Windows?
[05:39:06] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[05:39:25] <aria> There are like 50 million porn ads that you can't easily close
[05:39:34] <aria> and even more bad porn flash game popups
[05:39:43] <aria> also everything costs money
[05:39:45] <aria> or has wait times
[05:40:23] <aria> I made fun of Giant Bomb that one time
[05:40:25] <aria> But no
[05:40:31] <aria> this is how you actually download stuff it seems
[05:50:16] <Apsup> aria: I don't know about other people but I generally put the programs name I want into google click the first link and navigate my way to downloading the program.
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[06:07:11] <aria> that leads to billion of horrible ads
[06:07:16] <aria> While as ideally
[06:07:20] <aria> Id put that name into the launcher
[06:07:28] <aria> then the program would download in the back and launch when ready
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[06:15:56] <aria> ...
[06:16:06] <aria> Windows doesn't come with a torrent client?
[06:16:15] <aria> C'mon, its like 2010
[06:16:18] <aria> Or more
[06:16:19] <athenian201> Nah, you have to download BitTorrent.
[06:16:26] <athenian201> Or uTorrent... but they're both the same program now.
[06:16:30] <Apsup> uTorrent you mean.
[06:16:31] <athenian201> Most people don't know that.
[06:16:40] <athenian201> Download both, compare.
[06:17:10] <athenian201> They started basically using the uTorrent source code for recent builds of BitTorrent.
[06:17:16] <aria> It didn't come with a archive manager either
[06:17:19] <athenian201> So it no longer matters which one you download.
[06:17:23] <aria> Why do people pay for this?
[06:17:42] <athenian201> It runs games better than Linux?
[06:18:02] <athenian201> And Office 2010, etc...
[06:18:11] <athenian201> That's honestly it, though.
[06:18:17] <athenian201> Outside of that, Linux is fine.
[06:18:34] <aria> It doesn't actuall run them better. Even with the super shitty GPU drivers, linux still runs stuff better when its cross platform
[06:18:35] <Robobuntoo> ...
[06:18:38] <athenian201> If you don't need 100% MS Office compatibilty or do a lot of PC gaming.
[06:18:51] <aria> It does have /a lot/ more games. Ill give you that one =P
[06:19:11] <athenian201> I mean that it runs DirectX games better.
[06:19:18] <athenian201> Than when you're running them on Wine.
[06:19:19] <aria> Does it come with high quality fonts and codecs?
[06:19:40] <athenian201> No, it doesn't even come with a Media player anymore.
[06:19:41] <Apsup> aria: I don't pay for windows.
[06:19:47] <athenian201> They removed that due to legal complications.
[06:20:01] <aria> So the value is just in the kernel?
[06:20:06] <aria> But the kernel isn't even that good!
[06:20:11] <athenian201> Yeah, and a lot of people wear an eyepatch like Apsup.
[06:20:13] <athenian201> If you know what I mean.
[06:20:25] <aria> Apsup: How do you get past the authentication?
[06:20:45] <Apsup> I'm university student.
[06:20:51] <Apsup> Not a pirate.
[06:20:52] <athenian201> Someone out there always cracks it.
[06:20:58] <athenian201> Oh, well, okay.
[06:21:04] <athenian201> Nevermind then.
[06:21:05] <Apsup> Well I'm also a pirate, but my windows is legit and free.
[06:22:00] <athenian201> Yeah, the way Microsoft is being with updates these days, it doesn't pay to do that with Windows.
[06:22:13] <aria> What updates?
[06:22:16] <aria> Its windows
[06:22:19] <athenian201> You CAN, sure, but that pretty much means it has to be setup to never update itself.
[06:22:20] <aria> They update once a month
[06:22:30] <athenian201> Security patches.
[06:22:34] <athenian201> They release a ton of them.
[06:22:47] <athenian201> Although personally, I don't see why you couldn't just use a Linux machine as a firewall.
[06:22:57] <athenian201> And not have Windows deal with any of that.
[06:24:44] <athenian201> Basically, there are two main reasons people pay for Windows. DirectX and Microsoft Office tie-ins.
[06:25:10] <athenian201> Not to mention the large amount of old software investment.
[06:25:25] <aria> Im.. honeslty impressive, MS
[06:25:27] <aria> So
[06:25:37] <aria> someone made a thing that authenticates pirate Win 8
[06:25:40] <athenian201> Basically, Windows is popular now because DOS was popular 20 years ago.
[06:25:50] <athenian201> More or less.
[06:25:50] <aria> There is a patch across every windows copy that recognizes it and crashes it.
[06:26:08] <aria> impressed*
[06:26:26] <athenian201> But only if they download the patch.
[06:26:31] <athenian201> Which, if they're pirates...
[06:26:37] <athenian201> They probably know better than to do.
[06:27:08] <aria> Ah
[06:27:26] <aria> It downloads in the background unless you have access to the legit updates
[06:27:36] <aria> I didn't think it would matter, so I went online to get drivers
[06:28:27] <athenian201> Well, that is clever, but that just means someone has to release a counter-patch that stops it from downloading the OTHER patch in the background.
[06:28:39] <athenian201> Or, even more simply...
[06:28:52] <athenian201> Setting up their firewall to block wherever it downloads in the background from.
[06:29:26] <athenian201> Admittedly, that is enough of a pain that most people would rather pay at that point.
[06:29:27] <athenian201> xD
[06:29:54] <aria> C'mon, iOS does it better than this. Google was like "hey, get the Google App", I press ok, and it takes me to a online store, which takes me to a native client rendering of the same store, then it takes me to a confirm page.
[06:29:58] <aria> CMON!
[06:30:40] <athenian201> I don't like what iOS does, though.
[06:30:41] <athenian201> xD
[06:32:27] <aria> If this shit doesn't work, Im putting 7 on here.
[06:32:28] <Robobuntoo> ...
[06:32:46] <aria> Or just Linux with Windows in a VM like I usually do.
[06:32:55] <athenian201> Most people like Windows 7 better anyway.
[06:33:22] <athenian201> I think Windows 8 is okay, myself, has a few improvements over Windows 7.
[06:33:23] <aria> Hey computer, why you not.. booting?
[06:33:41] <athenian201> And I don't mind the Start screen.
[06:34:02] <aria> I thouhgt I wouldn't mind
[06:34:05] <aria> but not a huge fan so far
[06:34:09] <aria> the tiling is useless
[06:34:10] <athenian201> Only thing that kind of bugs me is that it doesn't come with shortcuts for a lot of commonly used applications.
[06:34:17] <athenian201> So I have to add those myself.
[06:34:20] <aria> Why would I want a app that is 1/8th of the screen?
[06:34:21] <athenian201> After that, it's fine.
[06:34:33] <athenian201> Well, the Metro interface was designed for tablets.
[06:34:40] <athenian201> That's why it's like that.
[06:34:47] <athenian201> If you link your Microsoft account.
[06:34:52] <athenian201> And you have a Microsoft surface.
[06:35:04] <athenian201> You can run your downloaded apps on either your desktop or your tablet.
[06:35:54] <athenian201> Basically, what Metro is giving you, is the ability to take your apps to your desktop.
[06:36:17] <athenian201> That's why they recommend using a touchscreen monitor with Windows 8.
[06:36:33] <aria> I see
[06:36:57] <athenian201> I kind of like Metro on a tablet. It's kind of "meh" on the desktop, though.
[06:37:13] <athenian201> The 1/8th feature is more useful than the way other tablets only have full screen mode.
[06:37:26] <athenian201> Not that I use tablets much.
[06:37:28] <athenian201> To begin with.
[06:37:53] <aria> It should scale for desktop though
[06:37:56] <athenian201> I find the idea of only being able to use one app on screen at a time rather limiting, and I think the side-by-side thing is clever.
[06:38:00] <athenian201> Yeah, I agree that it should.
[06:38:00] <aria> if it was 1/4 it would be good
[06:38:02] <aria> or 1/3
[06:38:10] <athenian201> I think that was a major design flaw.
[06:38:20] <athenian201> Not scaling it better for the desktop.
[06:38:24] <aria> Or just make it user controlled like the tiling in Awesome/Xomad
[06:38:35] <aria> So..
[06:38:40] <aria> I ran some sort of hacky program
[06:38:45] <aria> it says it's authenticated
[06:38:54] <aria> Windows does think its authenticated in the one screen
[06:38:58] <aria> but I can't access the store
[06:39:31] <athenian201> Well, the store would probably require you to have legit Windows.
[06:39:42] <athenian201> Or at least require a new hack every week or so.
[06:39:42] <aria> But it should think I have legit windows now
[06:39:46] <aria> according to piratebay guy
[06:40:02] <aria> Also according to the control panal in Windows..
[06:40:36] <athenian201> That's not the same thing.
[06:40:49] <athenian201> Windows on your computer being fooled isn't the same thing as Microsoft's store being fooled.
[06:41:16] <aria> Oh right
[06:41:19] <aria> I need a MS account
[06:41:23] <athenian201> Yeah.
[06:41:33] <athenian201> You pretty much can't download any Metro apps.
[06:42:00] <athenian201> So the Metro interface is basically a new kind of Start menu.
[06:42:22] <athenian201> I don't mind using it as a launcher.
[06:42:32] <aria> Use my favorite email address to sign in to Windows?
[06:42:37] <aria> So.. my derpymail?
[06:42:42] <aria> Or my gmail?
[06:43:05] <aria> Wait, you mean the hotmail I dedicate to spam, and has a giant ad banner on the side in the webclient?
[06:43:06] <athenian201> LOL, favorite e-mail address.
[06:43:07] <aria> Nah I dislike that one
[06:43:51] <aria> Service not available
[06:44:02] <aria> Maybe it is MS servers being fucked rather than pirate copy
[06:44:03] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[06:44:06] <aria> Doubt it though
[06:44:42] <athenian201> Yeah, getting past authentication on their servers is harder than doing it locally.
[06:49:09] <aria> I think I just accidentally overclocked my CPU
[06:49:17] <aria> It didn't give me an option not to..
[06:49:18] <aria> =P
[06:49:28] <athenian201> By how much?
[06:49:35] <athenian201> And what kind is it?
[06:49:48] <aria> "auto-tune"
[06:50:23] <athenian201> Oh, well, you can disable that, but some motherboards are enabling it by default these days.
[06:50:28] <athenian201> Which really isn't very smart.
[06:50:56] <aria> ...It says its disabled
[06:51:03] <aria> but Im clocking at 100mhz too much
[06:51:13] <aria> Its only 100mhz, should be fine but..
[06:51:13] <aria> cmon
[06:51:13] <athenian201> Oh, is it an ASUS?
[06:51:18] <aria> Asrock
[06:51:26] <athenian201> Yeah, Asrock boards do that.
[06:51:33] <athenian201> That's how they're designed.
[06:51:40] <athenian201> It's a cheat they use to win at benchmarks.
[06:52:24] <aria> Ah I see
[06:52:43] <aria> I have clearance to add 100mhz though the official something utility
[06:52:50] <athenian201> I think you could artficially set a lower multiplier.
[06:52:52] <athenian201> Or something.
[06:52:57] <aria> I did.
[06:52:59] <nine> < aria> It didn't come with a archive manager either
[06:53:04] <nine> Build-in zip support.
[06:53:15] <aria> Couldn't open a 7z I downloaded
[06:53:21] <athenian201> It does come with that, but no other file formats.
[06:53:21] <aria> Also, gzip?
[06:53:23] <nine> Linux lacks support for a lot of archives as well.
[06:53:25] <athenian201> Just Zip.
[06:53:36] <nine> Requiring additional updates to programs.
[06:53:50] <nine> < aria> Why do people pay for this?
[06:53:54] <athenian201> Depends on the distribution.
[06:53:55] <nine> To have working audio.
[06:53:57] <athenian201> I suppose.
[06:54:03] <aria> I didn't have working audio
[06:54:11] <aria> I had to fiddle with shit forever until it worked
[06:54:12] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[06:54:15] <athenian201> Ubuntu always had working audio for me, right out of the box.
[06:54:16] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[06:54:20] <aria> ^
[06:54:40] <nine> < aria> So the value is just in the kernel?
[06:54:41] <nine> 07:20 < aria> But the kernel isn't even that good!
[06:54:41] <aria> ^Sure, but if you download a regular Gnome/KDE/Xfce distro, it'll do all the popular archives. Espcially 7z
[06:54:42] <nine> Orly?
[06:55:19] <nine> Popular being rar.
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[06:55:36] <nine> Followed by zip, followed by 7z.
[06:55:48] <nine> On Linux it's often just gzipped tars.
[06:56:00] <athenian201> Zip isn't more popular than Rar anymore?
[06:56:11] <athenian201> I was sure Zip was still the most common.
[06:56:16] <aria> Archive roller does rar just fine
[06:56:36] <nine> Archive roller needs to download rar support first.
[06:56:50] <aria> Eh thats fine, at least it does it for you
[06:57:06] <nine> And Ubuntu can't keep it's audio working between upgrades.
[06:57:07] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[06:57:13] <nine> It's atrociously annoying.
[06:57:34] <nine> Stuff works fine one day, the next BOOM, everything's broken.
[06:57:35] <athenian201> Most archives I download on Windows are ZIP.
[06:57:45] <athenian201> I still don't see many RAR files.
[06:57:49] <athenian201> Unless it's a huge file.
[06:57:52] <nine> < aria> Eh thats fine, at least it does it for you
[06:57:59] <aria> I've downloaded 2 so far. One was rar, the other 7zip
[06:58:06] <nine> Only if you have a package manager installed that works that way.
[06:58:12] <aria> I mean tody
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[06:58:22] <nine> athenian201: It's a toss up between zip and rar afaik.
[06:58:32] <aria> So "only if you didn't make your linux from scratch and did it wrong"
[06:58:34] <nine> I don't count, but I see rar more I think.
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[06:59:21] <nine> aria: Still gotta download shit.
[06:59:22] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[06:59:36] <nine> Grab a Windows package manager if you're so dependant on it.
[07:00:46] <aria> No Catalyst, that is not how Windows looks. I clicked "Follow windows theme" and it somehow because even more out of place and ugly
[07:02:11] <nine> What are you using?
[07:03:23] <aria> 8
[07:04:00] <nine> :|
[07:04:08] <nine> I mean what the fuck is "Catalyst"?
[07:04:09] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[07:04:12] <nine> AMD's software?
[07:04:16] <aria> Yes
[07:04:21] <nine> >using AMD
[07:04:32] <nine> Why the fuck even look at that program?
[07:04:33] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[07:04:38] <nine> There's absolutely NOTHING you need to use it for.
[07:05:02] <aria> Cause earlier it complained I pirated Windows, so they wouldn't give me drivers
[07:05:05] <aria> I fixed that
[07:05:08] <aria> so I want it to give me drivers
[07:05:36] <nine> http://support.amd.com
[07:05:49] <nine> Again, wtfuck are you doing.
[07:05:50] <Robobuntoo> ...
[07:06:23] <aria> yeah I was there
[07:06:27] <aria> got the thing
[07:06:42] <aria> And then that thing was like "wait a minute.. you aren't running Winodws 8 after all!"
[07:06:54] <aria> "What you trying to pull, smartass?"
[07:08:19] <nine> So you didn't just double click the drivers you already downloaded again?
[07:08:45] <aria> I use the "open" button
[07:08:48] <aria> rather than "save"
[07:08:55] <aria> I figured I could browse for "software update"
[07:09:18] <nine> :|
[07:09:43] <aria> So..
[07:09:50] <nine> So why didn't you reopen it through the downloads window?
[07:10:07] <aria> I installed this "Asrock 3TB+ Unlocker" that is supposed to let me use my entire harddrive with NTFS
[07:10:10] <aria> Doesn't seem to work.
[07:10:26] <aria> Still arbitrary limit.
[07:10:54] <nine> Do you have an ASRock motherboard?
[07:11:01] <aria> Yes
[07:11:10] <aria> Internet Explorer's Download window is useless.
[07:11:17] <aria> doesn't show things from older sessions
[07:11:22] <aria> or things you hit "open" on
[07:11:38] <nine> >IE
[07:11:43] * nine headdesks.
[07:12:04] <athenian201> Internet Explorer isn't a good browser.
[07:12:32] <nine> Also, that 3TB unlocker is 32 bit.
[07:12:32] <athenian201> It's better than it used to be, but it's still no Chrome.
[07:12:56] <aria> Internet Explorer is the system default on Windows
[07:13:02] <aria> People pay money for this.
[07:13:03] <nine> No shit Sherlock.
[07:13:04] <Robobuntoo> ...
[07:13:12] <aria> Eh, its fine
[07:13:15] <nine> Unless you live in fucking EUROPE.
[07:13:16] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[07:13:16] <nine> Which you do.
[07:13:19] <athenian201> Well, IE is useful for a few things.
[07:13:31] <athenian201> There are some websites that require IE-specific functionality.
[07:13:36] <athenian201> Not as many as there used to be.
[07:13:40] <athenian201> But yeah.
[07:13:48] <nine> Those sites must be avoided as the plague.
[07:14:04] <nine> They do not hold their customer's in high regard.
[07:14:18] <athenian201> Most are workplaces.
[07:14:23] <athenian201> And it's on the employee side.
[07:14:29] <athenian201> Not the customer side.
[07:14:35] <nine> And it's utterly retarded.
[07:14:40] <athenian201> I know.
[07:14:47] <nine> And should be avoided like the fucking plague.
[07:14:48] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[07:15:26] <athenian201> You know what else is utterly retarded? Watching people run an entire modern computer just to simulate an ancient mainframe so they can use an old database program.
[07:15:33] <aria> it doesn't come with partitioning software..?
[07:15:49] <athenian201> I mean, sorry... ancient mainframe terminal.
[07:15:52] <athenian201> Usually.
[07:15:55] <nine> aria: Yes it does.
[07:16:08] <aria> Is it not called part* ?
[07:16:12] <aria> Doesn't show up in search..
[07:16:27] <nine> Appears perfectly fine for me.
[07:16:41] <aria> Do you use old windows?
[07:16:49] <nine> Nope.
[07:16:55] <aria> Hm.
[07:17:26] <nine> I type in "part" and get the good old "CREATE AND FORMAT HARD DISK PARTITIONS"
[07:18:17] <aria> Doesn't show up for me..
[07:18:23] <aria> I have "Pro" windows...
[07:18:30] <nine> You have no brain.
[07:18:39] <nine> Just find your disk management.
[07:18:46] <nine> Blame yourself for using metro.
[07:18:57] <aria> How do you search without metro?
[07:19:20] <nine> By hitting Super and typing.
[07:19:29] <aria> Brings up metro.
[07:19:32] <nine> Yes.
[07:19:42] <nine> On fucking Windows 8.
[07:19:43] <Robobuntoo> ...
[07:19:46] <nine> Because you're a bloody idiot.
[07:20:06] <nine> And even then you still have a fucking search box.
[07:21:48] <athenian201> It's actually easy to search using Metro.
[07:22:13] <athenian201> It's really not that bad if you learn how to use it...
[07:22:34] <athenian201> Most people just don't like it because it's not what they're used to.
[07:22:47] <aria> How do I find the partitioner with it?
[07:23:26] <nine> athenian201: I'm assuming it's not any different from Win 7's search.
[07:23:33] <nine> The only difference being boxes instead of lines.
[07:24:21] <athenian201> Well, it's actually a bit different. It can search things Windows 7's search didn't include.
[07:24:35] <nine> aria: I already told you just fucking find your disk management.
[07:24:36] <athenian201> Every Metro app has a search context.
[07:24:40] <nine> Copy paste also too hard? :|
[07:24:55] <nine> Cool, search context.
[07:24:59] <nine> Still shitty boxes.
[07:25:09] <athenian201> So, if you're in the Netflix app, searching works just like it would for files.
[07:25:12] <athenian201> Etc.
[07:25:27] <aria> listen, if you type "disk" on a fresh install, it doesn't return anything.
[07:25:29] <athenian201> If you're in the mail application, you can search for contacts.
[07:25:53] <athenian201> It's kind of neat, in a way... it really would have had potentially if they'd done it right.
[07:26:01] <athenian201> *potential
[07:26:29] <aria> I see
[07:26:36] <nine> Like not make every system work like a touch-enabled one?
[07:26:50] <aria> there is no partitioner, it's built into the file navigator
[07:27:00] <aria> You also only have 3 options
[07:27:11] <athenian201> I do like the idea of having the ability to to run tablet apps on the desktop, and vice-versa.
[07:27:20] <athenian201> And I think that was the intention with Windows 8.
[07:27:23] <athenian201> And Surface.
[07:27:25] <nine> 3 options~?
[07:27:25] <aria> "delete everything" "Encrypt" "Delete only stuff I haven't used in a while" and "Optimize", which the last one I'm not sure what does
[07:27:30] <athenian201> I just don't think they did it optimally.
[07:27:39] <nine> ... that's not a fucking partition manager.
[07:27:43] <nine> That's a disk cleanup utility.
[07:28:06] <athenian201> You should just get EaseUS Partition Manager.
[07:28:09] <athenian201> Much easier to use.
[07:28:13] <aria> Eh Ill google how to find it.
[07:28:35] <nine> athenian201: How is shit easier than Windows' current partition manager?
[07:29:02] <aria> I used the 7 parition manager
[07:29:09] <aria> it was shit compared to regular gparted
[07:29:13] <athenian201> You'd be surprised, this one has bigger buttons and tells you what to do.
[07:29:15] <aria> I can believe EaseUS is better
[07:29:16] <athenian201> LOL.
[07:29:30] <nine> You probably say that because it doesn't support Ext-anything.
[07:29:40] <nine> Gparted is not better.
[07:29:54] <athenian201> http://download.cnet.com
[07:30:04] <nine> It's practically the same for crying out loud.
[07:30:06] <athenian201> Anyway, apparently that's where you can get it.
[07:30:18] <aria> Or like, cloning, moving, formatting, fixing MBRs, resizing, etc
[07:30:19] <nine> >master home edition
[07:30:25] <nine> Deluxe pro?
[07:30:55] <athenian201> LOL.
[07:31:00] <nine> You can mirror, move, resize and format just fine.
[07:31:03] <athenian201> That's actually what they call the free version.
[07:31:30] <nine> I wouldn't bother with software that stupidly named.
[07:31:43] <nine> Sounds like too much SEO crap.
[07:31:49] <nine> It even has "ease" in the title.
[07:32:00] <athenian201> I had a friend use it to change the partitions around on a 3TB external drive.
[07:32:13] <nine> And again, default partitioner is perfectly fine for partitioning.
[07:32:16] <athenian201> He couldn't format the whole thing, 1GB of space was missing.
[07:32:33] <nine> >1GB of space was missing.
[07:32:37] <nine> 1000 vs 1024?
[07:32:41] <athenian201> And he had a time figuring out how to access that missing one.
[07:32:54] <athenian201> Oops, I meant one 1TB.
[07:33:00] <athenian201> It was only 2TB.
[07:33:05] <athenian201> When he got a 3TB drive.
[07:33:15] <athenian201> And he was trying to access the rest of the space.
[07:33:34] <athenian201> Windows didn't want to "see" it, for some reason.
[07:33:36] <nine> He was using a 32bit OS?
[07:33:42] <athenian201> Probably.
[07:33:51] <athenian201> Most people do, for compatibility reasons.
[07:34:08] <athenian201> That's what most people get recommended.
[07:34:12] <athenian201> For some reason or other.
[07:34:14] <athenian201> I don't know why.
[07:34:19] <aria> It does NTFS doesn't go above 2TB it seems
[07:34:25] <nine> Also, aria. Didn't you say Win 7 doesn't support your RAM?
[07:34:32] <aria> It doesn't.
[07:34:35] <athenian201> I don't think that even makes sense...
[07:34:36] <nine> You sure?
[07:34:45] <nine> Do you have 200GB of RAM?
[07:34:48] <aria> Regular home version 64Bit does 16
[07:35:00] <nine> >regular home version
[07:35:03] <athenian201> Oh, are you talking about the amount of RAM?
[07:35:11] <aria> Expensive home version named Premium
[07:35:23] <athenian201> Home Premium?
[07:35:23] <aria> Home Premium does 16 max
[07:35:23] <nine> Yeah, and the other 50% of the version you could've picked does allow 192GB.
[07:35:36] <aria> Those are also way more expensive
[07:35:59] <nine> You're on the internet and live in a part of the world where pirating is practically legal.
[07:36:22] <athenian201> Windows 8 has 128GB RAM for the core version, and 512GB for the pro version.
[07:36:23] <aria> and force stupid things on you like only MS having your decryption keys
[07:36:35] <nine> And yes, they are more expensive, because Microsoft actually tries to make money on the OS.
[07:36:47] <athenian201> And it's cheaper than Windows 7.
[07:36:48] <athenian201> LOL.
[07:37:02] <aria> Im not getting stupid CEO version
[07:37:03] <athenian201> That's one reason why I'm putting up with Metro.
[07:37:03] <nine> I don't see how $0 is cheaper than $0.
[07:37:16] <nine> It's hardly CEO version.
[07:37:18] <athenian201> Well, they're cracking down in piracy.
[07:37:20] <aria> 8 regular does all the things and is /the current version/
[07:37:23] <nine> Unless you believe in such bullshit hype.
[07:37:30] <athenian201> It's not really safe to do it like it was 10 years ago.
[07:37:31] <Robobuntoo> You can't was ten years!
[07:37:39] <nine> Win 7 and 8 are the current versions.
[07:37:50] <aria> 7 is legacy version.
[07:38:06] <aria> so is vista
[07:38:08] <nine> Still current.
[07:38:10] <aria> XP is end of life
[07:38:12] <aria> 8 is current
[07:38:17] <athenian201> People still run XP.
[07:38:26] <aria> Those people are gun get hacked
[07:38:27] <nine> People still run pre-2000s Windows.
[07:38:28] <athenian201> Most software still supports it.
[07:38:29] <nine> So?
[07:39:12] <athenian201> Most people I know that run XP run it from behind a firewall anyway.
[07:39:18] <athenian201> On another machine with better security.
[07:39:29] <athenian201> If their tech people have half a brain.
[07:40:01] <athenian201> Of course, if their tech people had a whole brain, they wouldn't be running XP in the first place.
[07:40:06] <athenian201> LOL.
[07:41:02] <athenian201> Although to be fair, it's probably smarter than running Vista.
[07:41:23] <athenian201> Which is like a beta version of Windows 7 that never got fixed.
[07:42:29] <nine> As usual, skip Windows versions.
[07:43:05] <aria> Did you pay for your 8?
[07:43:23] <athenian201> Me? Yeah, but I only paid $40 for it.
[07:43:27] <aria> =O
[07:43:28] <aria> How?
[07:43:38] <athenian201> Microsoft was running a promotional deal thing.
[07:43:45] <athenian201> Right after it came out.
[07:43:54] <athenian201> You could upgrade your PC to it really cheap.
[07:43:59] <athenian201> Now it would cost more.
[07:44:23] <athenian201> I decided to just bite the bullet and upgrade, for two reasons.
[07:44:24] <nine> And no alarm bells went off?
[07:44:33] <athenian201> One is that I have Linux around anyway.
[07:44:39] <athenian201> So I don't have to use Windows 8 all the time.
[07:44:41] <athenian201> Second is...
[07:44:53] <athenian201> I figure getting used to Windows 8 will help me field all the tech questions people will have.
[07:44:59] <athenian201> As they upgrade.
[07:45:20] <athenian201> No point staying behind the curve.
[07:46:01] <athenian201> So far, it seems to work as well as 7 on the Desktop.
[07:46:19] <athenian201> And the Metro apps are kind of meh, but at least I have the option of using them.
[07:46:51] <aria> Nine: You really shouldn't use old software
[07:47:13] <aria> New stuff is newer.
[07:47:53] <athenian201> Continuing to use Windows 7 wouldn't be a bad decision, it's still updated by Microsoft.
[07:47:59] <athenian201> And will probably have a long support cycle.
[07:48:16] <athenian201> I didn't upgrade all my computers to Windows 8.
[07:48:19] <athenian201> Just my main one.
[07:48:33] <athenian201> The others still run 7 or Linux.
[07:48:33] <aria> So I can see I have unallocated space
[07:48:37] <aria> but right click doesn't fix it
[07:50:22] <aria> "Only the first 2TB are available on large MBR disks. Cannot create partition beyond the 2TB mark, not convert the disk to dynamic" says Windows
[07:50:33] <aria> Nine, how do you get around this?
[07:51:02] <athenian201> I think you have to reformat it as GPT.
[07:51:16] <athenian201> MBR itself doesn't support anything bigger than 2TB.
[07:51:19] <athenian201> Same problem my friend had.
[07:51:32] <nine> < aria> New stuff is newer.
[07:51:44] <nine> You really shouldn't be talking when you are effectively computer illiterate.
[07:52:38] <athenian201> You pretty much have to delete all partitions on the disk, I think.
[07:52:47] <aria> =/
[07:52:49] <athenian201> And there's some kind of toggle option to create a GPT disk.
[07:52:56] <aria> How come the install didn't just take care of it?
[07:53:09] <athenian201> Good question, for some reason Windows STILL defaults to MBR.
[07:53:13] <athenian201> When formatting a new disk.
[07:53:14] <aria> It didn't give me any options
[07:53:35] <athenian201> And drive manufacturers still ship them that way for compatibility reasons.
[07:53:39] <athenian201> With old versions of Windows.
[07:53:44] <athenian201> It's all kind of stupid.
[07:53:53] <nine> < aria> It didn't give me any options
[07:53:58] <nine> You probably didn't look.
[07:54:03] <nine> Let alone in the right place.
[07:54:04] <athenian201> But basically, the way things are right now, it's hard to get a drive to use over 2TB without a lot of hassle.
[07:54:16] <athenian201> I could do it, but a lot of people couldn't.
[07:54:22] <aria> Nine: I don't think you understand how a blank screen with a progress bar works.
[07:54:44] <nine> I think I've installed more windows computers in the last three decades than you have.
[07:54:53] <aria> I'll use that 3TB unlocker thing then. That works, although hackishly
[07:55:05] <athenian201> That probably won't work...
[07:55:31] <aria> In the explorer, it shows up as two partitions
[07:55:47] <aria> though windows thinks there is a external harddrive connected
[07:55:55] <athenian201> Oh, I see.
[07:55:58] <aria> and that the internal 3TB one has 1TB free
[07:58:02] <nine> That's fucking terrible.
[07:58:03] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[07:58:22] <aria> How do you get around it?
[07:58:32] <nine> At least you'll have the fastest external HDD ever.
[07:58:39] <athenian201> The GPT thing.
[07:58:41] <nine> As athenian201 said probably.
[07:58:44] <nine> Fucking install it proper.
[07:58:45] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[07:58:47] <aria> I meant Nine
[08:00:29] <aria> Wouldn't Windows just format and install with MBR again, athenian201?
[08:00:54] <nine> In your case? Very likely.
[08:00:58] <nine> But you don't read to begin with.
[08:01:00] <nine> So yeah.
[08:01:23] <athenian201> I think you have to format the drive BEFORE you install Windows, as GPT.
[08:01:30] <athenian201> And then install Windows on it.
[08:01:45] <athenian201> Without formatting, because the installer would probably do MBR.
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[08:02:15] <athenian201> You have to take special care with drives that size.
[08:02:41] <nine> If only we didn't have to spoonfeed that realization to aria.
[08:02:51] <nine> Anything-but-standard-system
[08:02:55] <nine> >picks standard installation
[08:03:24] <athenian201> Ironically, I think Linux has gotten so easy to use it made him lazy.
[08:03:31] <athenian201> xD
[08:03:43] <nine> Computer illiterate I'd say.
[08:04:02] <athenian201> Nah, just Windows illiterate.
[08:04:09] <aria> I don't even think there was a custom install option. There was "Upgrade (recommended)" and "fresh install (advanced)"
[08:04:10] <athenian201> I'm sure he knows how to compile a kernal.
[08:04:18] <nine> If you regress to the point where you can't even do a simple thing for an advanced user, you're effectively illiterate.
[08:04:41] <athenian201> That's why I always try to stay on top of the curve.
[08:04:52] <athenian201> Always get the newest versions, mess with various things.
[08:04:57] <athenian201> Figure out how stuff works.
[08:05:02] <athenian201> As it comes down the pike.
[08:05:08] <athenian201> So I don't get left behind.
[08:05:17] <aria> Actually, compiling Linux was gonna be my first task on this new computer, to see how much faster than that -> i5 it is
[08:05:41] <athenian201> You upgraded from an i5?
[08:05:44] <athenian201> To what?
[08:07:18] <nine> athenian201: And getting a complete Windows version was "too expensive".
[08:07:28] <nine> 32GB of RAM, totally normal.
[08:07:41] <nine> 3+TB hard drives, bog standard.
[08:08:12] <athenian201> I have 8GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.
[08:08:21] <nine> That's pretty standard.
[08:08:28] <nine> The RAM slightly above standard.
[08:08:42] <nine> Though average for powerusers I'd guess.
[08:08:49] <athenian201> Yeah, this was a new machine.
[08:09:28] <aria> Bronz's i5, to a 8350. Also fuck, I crashed it =P
[08:09:29] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[08:09:47] <athenian201> Before that, I had 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hard drive, but it was from 2008.
[08:10:20] <nine> 320GB in '08?
[08:10:27] <athenian201> Yeah.
[08:10:45] <nine> I want to say holy crap so low, but then again, that's 5 years ago.
[08:11:00] <athenian201> Well, actually... it was 2x 320GB in RAID.
[08:11:03] <nine> And I don't know those numbers from the top of my head.
[08:11:22] <athenian201> But one of the drives was bad, and the other one kept going for years.
[08:11:45] <athenian201> I didn't buy that machine, and it came with Vista.
[08:11:50] <nine> The second drive in the RAID kept going while still in RAID?
[08:11:55] <athenian201> Not exactly.
[08:12:00] <nine> Okay.
[08:12:04] <athenian201> I had to take it out of RAID.
[08:12:11] <athenian201> Because one of the drives failed on the hardware level.
[08:12:15] <nine> It sounded weird, because if one was faulty the other drive would get hammered.
[08:12:16] <athenian201> The other didn't.
[08:24:52] <nine> Time to sleep.
[08:24:54] <nine> I think.
[08:26:57] <nine> Eh why not. I'm off. Ciao.
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[08:34:56] <Apsup> Apparently I'm difficult person to take blood from.
[08:35:22] <Apsup> Based on the way the doctor talked, I probably shouldn't be surpriced if I could get stabbed and not bleed.
[08:40:02] <aria> Huh
[08:40:07] <aria> Windows updates I guess work
[08:40:10] <aria> they're just super slow
[08:40:18] <aria> Or Im downloading GB's
[08:41:26] <Apsup> Did you install it from a DVD of some sort?
[08:41:47] <aria> Yes
[08:41:50] <aria> Official DVD
[08:41:58] <aria> I gave it a valid but used serial
[08:41:59] <aria> it said ok
[08:42:01] <Apsup> Because if so, and in any case, when you have fresh windows obviously you have tons of updates.
[08:42:21] <aria> But 8 is not very old
[08:42:25] <Apsup> There are new updates every now and then, and you have to get them all at once.
[08:42:26] <aria> But yeah
[08:42:31] <Apsup> Old enough.
[08:42:47] <aria> Isn't it often the same things that get updated?
[08:43:05] <aria> So I wouldn't need every itteration of that patch against people crashing their computers by holding down the shift key too long
[08:43:39] <aria> 28 out of 38..
[08:44:21] <aria> Bastion on Linux is currently pay what you want
[09:03:22] <aria> This is pretty fancy
[09:03:26] <aria> its asking me which browser I want
[09:04:07] <aria> ...Why is SRWare Iron in there
[09:04:18] <aria> Where is Midori?
[09:04:20] <aria> Gosh
[09:04:30] <aria> anyway, they have Opera, Chrome and Firefox among the choices
[09:04:48] <aria> Clicking on firefox brings up IE xD
[09:14:02] <Apsup> But thou must.
[09:15:49] <aria> Syncing my firefoxes takes a while
[09:15:55] <aria> it's only 55 tabs..
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[12:05:49] <Bronzdragon> HEY GUYS
[12:12:59] <Bronzdragon> =(
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[18:20:45] <Bronzdragon> hey guys
[18:30:53] <apreche> PAAAAAAAAAX
[18:31:21] <Bronzdragon> D'ya buy me tickets yet?
[18:31:21] <apreche> in 24 hours I will be on a bus to PAXXX
[18:31:31] <apreche> XXXXXXXXXXX
[18:31:46] <Bronzdragon> ... wait, is this the adult version of Pax?
[18:31:53] <apreche> Bronzdragon: are you asking if I bought you tickets to PAX?
[18:31:54] <Bronzdragon> Where everyone is naked and plays videogames?
[18:32:00] <Bronzdragon> Pfft, no, planetickets
[18:32:05] <Bronzdragon> I can buy pax tickets, those are cheap
[18:32:09] <apreche> yeah, no
[18:32:23] <apreche> I bought ME plane tickets to PAX AUS
[18:32:24] <Bronzdragon> =(
[18:32:56] <Bronzdragon> If I ever get casually wealthy, first thing I do is get a new computer
[18:33:07] <apreche> what kind of computer you have?
[18:33:13] <Bronzdragon> The 2nd thing I'll do is buy tickets for an vacation in America, which will include PAX
[18:33:21] <Bronzdragon> it's... it plays NS2, if I don't turn the nobs too hard
[18:33:46] <apreche> I have a Core 2 Duo on the floor, but the GTX460 is no longer in it
[18:34:02] <GauntletWizard> PAXXXXX
[18:34:21] <GauntletWizard> Man, I kinda want to make PA-XXX
[18:34:29] <apreche> PAXPAXPAX
[18:34:35] <GauntletWizard> Somebody needs to make a pornographic parody of penny-arcade
[18:34:45] <apreche> that already exists a zillion times
[18:35:16] <Bronzdragon> I;d welcome yoru computerparts, apreche, but the tax I'd have to pay on them would be not worth it.
[18:35:16] <GauntletWizard> apreche: the only one I know involves gabe, tycho, annarchy and bukkake, and it's dull and old now
[18:35:20] <Bronzdragon> Cheaper to buy them here.
[18:35:48] <apreche> GauntletWizard: search for Penny Arcade Porn on google images
[18:35:50] <Bronzdragon> So, did people email you in droves yet?
[18:36:01] <apreche> email me in droves for what?
[18:36:11] <Bronzdragon> Oh, you announced the matchups
[18:36:15] <Bronzdragon> for the grand prix
[18:36:19] <Bronzdragon> I didn't read yet, sorry
[18:36:19] <apreche> yeah, nobody has played yet
[18:37:04] <apreche> I see your orange rectangle
[18:37:06] <Bronzdragon> ... whothefuckis "Jaytee"?
[18:37:06] <Robobuntoo> ...
[18:37:21] <Bronzdragon> I'll have to find him...
[18:37:21] <apreche> It's someone in the grand prix
[18:37:35] <apreche> who has 13 championship points from Canabalt
[18:38:24] <Bronzdragon> I see...
[18:38:30] <Bronzdragon> Alright, that makes it fine then
[18:40:51] <Bronzdragon> Sent him a conversation, so 't should be good
[18:41:57] <Bronzdragon> Btw, apreche, why such a low number of points? 5 points means that in a match, double twice and you've pratcially won (if you win that round).
[18:42:22] <apreche> because if people don't double you might end up playing 9 games, which is a huge pain in the ass.
[18:42:32] <apreche> If you want to risk it all on one game, be my guest.
[18:42:37] <Bronzdragon> Over a week?
[18:42:47] <apreche> I imagine people will play all the games at once.
[18:43:03] <Bronzdragon> Well, sure, because it'd doable.
[18:43:06] <Bronzdragon> But fair enough.
[18:43:19] <apreche> remember, for two doubles to happen in the same
[18:43:20] <apreche> game
[18:43:26] <apreche> each player at some point has to feel like they are definitely going to win
[18:43:37] <apreche> and at both those times the other player has to be thinking that person is wrong.
[18:43:54] <Bronzdragon> That's true.
[18:47:48] <Bronzdragon> So on a scale from not-pax to pax, how excited are you for 27 hours from now?
[18:47:58] <apreche> PAX
[18:48:14] <apreche> my jam right now = http://2mellomakes.bandcamp.com
[18:51:41] <Bronzdragon> Your jam be jammin'
[18:52:44] <Apsup> No pax for me, though there will be a thing in my city next month that while not being called con, is basically small gaming con.
[18:52:56] <Apsup> So at least I have that.
[18:53:27] <Bronzdragon> It's /BASICALLY/ the same thing.
[18:59:49] <apreche> One of these PAXes I shoudl wear a dorky headcam the whole time
[18:59:51] <apreche> and then time lapse it
[18:59:54] <apreche> and not care about the dorkiness
[19:00:32] <Bronzdragon> I don't think anyone at PAX should mind any dorkyness.
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[19:08:02] <apreche> they won't mind, but I mind.
[19:08:07] <apreche> and it's really uncomfortable to wear that shit
[19:08:08] <Robobuntoo> ...
[19:08:31] <Bronzdragon> it being uncomfortable is a good reason
[19:08:33] <Bronzdragon> Chest cam?
[19:09:02] <apreche> chest cam will take a bunch of shitty photos when I'm sitting at a table gaming.
[19:09:03] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[19:09:33] <Bronzdragon> Eh, we can deal.
[19:10:07] <apreche> that will be most of the time lapse.
[19:10:19] <Bronzdragon> It'll be very informative.
[19:10:28] <Bronzdragon> "Scott plays boardgames a lot"
[19:10:35] <Bronzdragon> Think of all the new stuff we'll learn!
[19:10:37] <apreche> picutres of my arms with a few wooden cubs on a table
[19:10:42] <apreche> cubes
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[19:11:10] <apreche> have to do it when not enforcing
[19:12:29] <Bronzdragon> That is a lie and you know it
[19:13:49] <apreche> less than 2 hrs to go...
[19:13:51] <apreche> come on clock!
[19:14:41] <Bronzdragon> Y'know what happens to me in 2 hours?
[19:14:51] <Bronzdragon> I'll still be sitting here, playing vidjagames
[19:14:54] <athenian200> You age two hours?
[19:15:00] <athenian200> Well, that too.
[19:16:26] <Bronzdragon> http://www.youtube.com
[19:18:08] <athenian200> LOL, exactly.
[19:49:35] <apreche> anyone want to try to play Netrunner with the shitty OCTGN program?
[19:49:36] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[19:49:52] <apreche> anyone here know how to play Netrunner?
[19:50:15] <Apsup> Nope. Not me.
[19:50:35] <Apsup> I know you build a deck and then you fight, but that's pretty much it.
[19:50:55] <athenian200> What is Netrunner?
[19:50:56] <apreche> yeah, it's a bit more complicated than that.
[19:51:01] <apreche> s/bit/a lot/
[19:51:11] <apreche> athenian200: have you been living under ten rocks?
[19:51:12] <Robobuntoo> You can't under ten rocks!
[19:51:29] <apreche> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com
[19:51:39] <athenian200> Sort of, I've been hanging out in a very small community.
[19:51:53] <apreche> http://boardgamegeek.com
[19:51:58] <apreche> it shot up to #6 on BoardGameGeek
[19:52:00] <apreche> kind of a big deal.
[19:52:13] <apreche> as far as a tabletop game can be a big deal
[19:52:24] <athenian200> Ah, I don't play tabletop games much.
[19:52:44] <Apsup> I wonder if they play it on the board game club.
[19:52:44] <athenian200> Could be why I haven't heard.
[19:53:07] <Apsup> In my understanding people there follow the times.
[19:53:35] <apreche> I've been playing Netrunner pretty seriously for a few months now.
[19:53:48] <apreche> and the people here are still beating me.
[19:54:19] <Apsup> Maybe there's something you don't get? Do you know why they beat you. Have you consulted anyone/-thing for tactics?
[19:54:23] <Bronzdragon> Grampa Apreche cannot keep up.
[19:54:49] <athenian200> It's tough to learn a new strategy game.
[19:55:10] <apreche> Really my biggest flaw is not noticing all things at all times
[19:55:22] <apreche> for example
[19:55:36] <apreche> every currently legal deck can have 15 influence worth of out of faction cards
[19:55:52] <apreche> so some people will count every influence point they see
[19:56:04] <apreche> and then figure out what cards you probably have in your deck.
[19:56:17] <athenian200> Counting cards.
[19:56:21] <athenian200> Oldest trick in the book.
[19:56:33] <apreche> if they know you are unlikely or likely to have card X they can adjust their play
[19:56:36] <apreche> I can do that
[19:56:43] <apreche> but I haven't memorized how many influence points each and every card is worth.
[19:57:12] <Bronzdragon> Comes with time and play
[19:57:30] <Bronzdragon> I kinda wanna buy netrunner, but I don't have enough people to play it with to justify the cost.
[19:58:13] <apreche> it's only worth it if you're going to go for it
[19:58:14] <apreche> for serious
[19:58:30] <apreche> I've already played in three tournaments, and meetups here are twice a week, though I usually only go once a week.
[19:58:52] <Bronzdragon> Is there online netrunner yet?
[19:59:42] <apreche> yeah, crappy OCTGN
[19:59:45] <apreche> it's awful
[19:59:50] <apreche> but lots of people are using it
[20:00:06] <Bronzdragon> Ah yes... OCTGN
[20:00:12] <Bronzdragon> I should make something that's better... =/
[20:00:17] <apreche> go for it
[20:00:21] <apreche> it's not easy
[20:00:32] <Bronzdragon> I'd rather shittalk about it, if you don't mind!
[20:00:33] <Robobuntoo> ...
[20:01:23] <Apsup> Yea, I rather put my money in role playing games than board (or card) games, I play rpgs a lot more, so more lickely that I get my moneys worth.
[20:01:52] <apreche> one weird guy showed up at Netrunner meetup who hadn't played
[20:02:02] <apreche> and was into roleplaying it like it was real modern day computers
[20:02:04] <apreche> weeeeird guy
[20:02:10] <Bronzdragon> Weird in what way?
[20:02:17] <Bronzdragon> Creepy weird or odd?
[20:02:32] <apreche> just odd
[20:04:07] <Bronzdragon> I see...
[20:04:20] <Bronzdragon> Is that the entire annecdote?
[20:04:46] <apreche> yes
[20:05:11] <Bronzdragon> It's a bad annecdote.
[20:05:51] <apreche> the truth is not usually exciting
[20:06:26] <Bronzdragon> Have I ever relayed an boring annecdote?
[20:07:15] <apreche> It was relevant to the discussion.
[20:07:25] <Bronzdragon> No it wasn't.
[20:07:35] <Bronzdragon> If you said "I go to meetups sometimes" it would be.
[20:07:38] <Bronzdragon> Which you did.
[20:07:48] <apreche> yes
[20:07:50] <Bronzdragon> If we had been talking about odd people, it would also be relevant.
[20:07:58] <Bronzdragon> I mean you did earlier.
[20:08:38] <apreche> Clearly, you are an odd person as well. So there.
[20:09:53] <Bronzdragon> And proud of it!
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[22:27:59] <Apsup> ...I decided to try out Dwarf fortress after long break today. The first big monster to attack my fortress is Wereass.
[22:28:07] <Bronzdragon> ...
[22:28:27] <Apsup> "Now you will know why you fear the night."
[22:29:18] <Bronzdragon> Sounds lovely
[22:30:05] <GauntletWizard> like, donkey
[22:30:17] <GauntletWizard> (i'm still pretty scared)
[22:30:35] <Apsup> Probably. The description is kinda vague, it could be just big hairy humanoid shaped butt.
[22:32:20] <Apsup> It killed my guard dogs, chased a drawf for a while, turned into human and left.
[22:33:08] <Bronzdragon> ...
[22:33:11] <Bronzdragon> Poor dogs
[22:33:15] <Apsup> yup
[22:34:03] <Bronzdragon> This sammich is tasty
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