#geeknights | Logs for 2013-03-03

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[00:47:07] <Bronzdragon> Hey! It's greek guy again!
[00:47:36] <athenian200> Girl. LOL.
[00:47:53] <athenian200> Eh, close enough.
[00:47:54] <Bronzdragon> Shush, I meant the ungendered "guy"
[00:48:02] <athenian200> xD
[00:49:04] <athenian200> Yeah, it's kind of like "dude" now, I guess.
[00:49:18] <athenian200> Or "chairman."
[00:49:42] <athenian200> Or like in the future, with Star Trek, they call everyone "Sir."
[00:49:54] <athenian200> I do think that kind of makes sense.
[00:49:55] <Bronzdragon> They kind of already do that in the miltary
[00:50:07] <athenian200> Huh, that's interesting.
[00:50:09] <athenian200> I didn't know that.
[00:50:15] <athenian200> So that's not new?
[00:50:18] <Bronzdragon> In Britt-land they say Ma'am, but in 'murica it's sir.
[00:50:49] <Bronzdragon> Well, for a long time, women did not hold high positions in the American military, so no convention was established
[01:00:11] <athenian200> That would explain it.
[01:00:26] <athenian200> But in Britain, I guess they had a few examples.
[01:00:26] <Bronzdragon> It would!
[01:00:52] <Bronzdragon> Yup, they had way more need of women in the military, because they were more strapped for soldiers during the first and second world war
[01:01:01] <Bronzdragon> America didn't participate to the same degree, really...
[01:01:32] <athenian200> Yeah, I imagine if a war goes on long enough, you have to use women because there are only so many men.
[01:01:59] <Bronzdragon> Yup.
[01:02:02] <Bronzdragon> Pretty much.
[01:03:16] <athenian200> Mostly they were moved into support roles, I imagine... like nurses and such.
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[01:05:31] <athenian200> Although I imagine plenty of women could shoot guns if they had to... not me, personally. LOL.
[01:06:11] <athenian200> Because I'm not very coordinated and don't react quickly... really absent-minded.
[01:06:13] <Bronzdragon> Nah, their boobs get in the way
[01:06:23] <Bronzdragon> *jiggle jiggle jiggle*
[01:06:38] <athenian200> LOL.
[01:07:02] <Bronzdragon> Too distracting, man.
[01:07:16] <athenian200> I imagine if they were that desperate and it were really a problem, they'd bind them or something.
[01:07:16] <Bronzdragon> 's why Amazons did what they did!
[01:07:24] <athenian200> Oh, yeah, or that.
[01:08:13] <Bronzdragon> (I'm just joking, boobs aren't a problem)
[01:09:38] <athenian200> Some women do get back problems from them, but that's an unusual case.
[01:17:33] <Bronzdragon> Well, yes, but there's a physical bar you have to reach as a soldier
[01:17:50] <Bronzdragon> if boobs are a problem, you wouldn't make that cut, and thus, if you make that cut, boobs are not a problem
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[01:20:51] <athenian200> Yeah, that's what I would figure.
[01:21:32] <Bronzdragon> So, wutcha upto, miss?
[01:22:03] <athenian200> Well, still working on that project of mine.
[01:22:49] <athenian200> I'm actually trying to build a community of sorts, but it gets boring because no one is there.
[01:22:50] <athenian200> xD
[01:23:06] <athenian200> Been working on it for about a year now.
[01:23:27] <athenian200> I know the tech stuff inside and out, really.
[01:23:38] <athenian200> But... I'm not really good with people.
[01:24:02] <Bronzdragon> Your goal is a community?
[01:24:10] <Bronzdragon> that's an odd goal.
[01:24:14] <athenian200> Well, a specific kind.
[01:24:44] <athenian200> It's to build a community that's centered around discussing Sociology and Technology.
[01:25:01] <athenian200> And hopefully, things like Cloud Computing as a social metaphor, etc.
[01:25:20] <athenian200> I make articles and stuff all the time.
[01:26:23] <Bronzdragon> I think you're comming at this from the wrong angle
[01:26:40] <athenian200> How is that?
[01:26:57] <Bronzdragon> Communities form around something, not the other way around
[01:27:07] <Bronzdragon> You cannot grow a community out of thin air
[01:27:19] <Bronzdragon> If you have a blog, that'll get some regular readers, and from those, youcan form a community
[01:27:40] <Bronzdragon> If you have a show everyone likes, you can make a forum for that, and have people discuss that
[01:27:50] <Bronzdragon> If people are a group of friends, then you can make a community out of that.
[01:28:11] <athenian200> I do have a blog and a group of friends, yeah.
[01:29:02] <Bronzdragon> Well, then you could, maybe, make a community out of that
[01:29:07] <Bronzdragon> But make sure both are high quality first
[01:29:24] <athenian200> They're not.
[01:29:26] <athenian200> :/
[01:30:10] <athenian200> They're mostly younger and less intelligent people who are impressed by my wit.
[01:30:14] <Bronzdragon> Well, it seems your real goal is to discuss sociology as it relates to technology, right?
[01:30:30] <athenian200> Correct.
[01:30:40] <Bronzdragon> So, if that's your goal, address a community that already exists. Try making a topic on http://forum.frontrowcrew.com
[01:30:42] <athenian200> I was thinking I could form a community around a topic.
[01:31:04] <athenian200> Or a subject of discussion, etc.
[01:32:18] <athenian200> Human nature has proven to be an ironic obstacle to the discussion of sociology.
[01:32:19] <athenian200> xD
[01:32:39] <Bronzdragon> Indeed.
[01:32:47] <Bronzdragon> If only we could talk to robots or AI
[01:33:07] <athenian200> You know, I had C3-P0 as my avatar for several years.
[01:33:12] <athenian200> I still do, on some places.
[01:33:20] <athenian200> xD
[01:34:06] <Bronzdragon> Do you mean C-3PO?
[01:34:20] <athenian200> Oh, I guess I do.
[01:34:24] <Bronzdragon> The O stans for Oh, not 0 =P
[01:34:34] <athenian200> The Protocol Droid from Star Wars.
[01:49:45] <aria> apperantly Lelouch uses Awesome-VM
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[02:59:23] <Bronzdragon> Ciao, people
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[03:17:58] <aria> Fastkarate streaming
[03:18:05] <aria> If anyone is still up: http://www.twitch.tv
[03:18:07] <aria> Enjoy
[03:18:21] <aria> (The game is Secret of Mana)
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[04:57:18] <originalme8> Anyone in?
[04:57:28] <athenian200> Well, I'm here.
[04:57:56] <originalme8> Ah, someone I haven't met. Hello :-)
[04:58:08] <athenian200> Hello, original.
[04:58:17] <originalme8> What's up?
[04:58:24] <athenian200> The opposite of down.
[04:58:26] <athenian200> xD
[04:58:34] <originalme8> Well played
[04:58:59] <athenian200> Thanks.
[04:59:13] <athenian200> So, how are you doing?
[04:59:44] <originalme8> Alright...tired and should go to bed, but listening to Linux Outlaws Episode 300
[05:00:32] <athenian200> Linux Outlaws sounds like a really nerdy gang name...
[05:00:53] <originalme8> Lol it's a podcast
[05:00:57] <athenian200> I'm picturing a bunch of hackers that finally lost it, purchased guns, and decided to storm Microsoft HQ.
[05:00:59] <athenian200> LOL.
[05:01:33] <athenian200> Well, that would be more like Linux Milita...
[05:01:35] <athenian200> But anyway.
[05:01:52] <originalme8> I would watch that go down. I honestly just want to see Balmer actually have a reason to be crazy.
[05:02:07] <athenian200> It would be pretty funny.
[05:02:25] <originalme8> Sorry if responses are slow. On a tablet.
[05:03:22] <athenian200> IRC + Tablet = Huh?
[05:03:28] <originalme8> Yea
[05:03:45] <athenian200> Those are not two things I would normally put together.
[05:04:07] <originalme8> Me neither, but my laptop is in the living room
[05:04:33] <originalme8> Its actually not bad
[05:04:37] <athenian200> That's one of those things that makes me think the Surface and type cover are a great idea.
[05:04:48] <athenian200> I'd like a tablet with a half-decent keyboard, honestly.
[05:05:04] <athenian200> I don't really want the ones they have now, since I can't type on them.
[05:05:14] <originalme8> Eh, the keyboard in Android 4.2 is pretty good.
[05:05:25] <athenian200> Touchscreen just doesn't cut it for me.
[05:05:29] <athenian200> No matter how good it is.
[05:05:43] <originalme8> Especially on something like a Nexus 7
[05:05:46] <athenian200> I'm one of those people that types 70wpm and likes mechanical keyboards.
[05:05:50] <originalme8> I got used to it
[05:05:54] <athenian200> So a touchscreen is a big step down for me.
[05:06:01] <athenian200> Compared to what I like.
[05:06:08] <athenian200> I need to at least be able to feel the keys.
[05:06:23] <originalme8> I type like that too, and prefer a keyboard, but I spend to much times on planes.
[05:06:47] <athenian200> And of course, the market thought that stuff was good enough.
[05:07:05] <athenian200> So everyone is getting used to it and accepting ridiculous levels of inefficiency
[05:07:29] <originalme8> I wouldn't code or write a paper on it, but its fine for chat.
[05:07:36] <athenian200> I'm stubborn and won't use a touchscreen-only tablet, though.
[05:08:03] <athenian200> I mean, I don't even own one because I don't like how limited it is.
[05:08:14] <originalme8> For non-work stuff it's fine.
[05:08:30] <athenian200> That's probably the mentality that has us stuck with them.
[05:08:33] <originalme8> I use it mainly for media consumption.
[05:08:53] <athenian200> It's adequate, perhaps.
[05:08:56] <originalme8> Videos, podcasts, and reading books and news.
[05:08:56] <athenian200> But it's still inferior.
[05:09:17] <originalme8> Like I said, its enough for chat.
[05:10:00] <originalme8> Anything more and I would grab a keyboard. Although, I have a Bluetooth keyboard for this and its...OK, but not great.
[05:10:44] <athenian200> I don't know, for me, chat is too much even.
[05:10:48] <athenian200> To do without a keyboard.
[05:11:05] <athenian200> A lot of people drop all grammar and use textspeak.
[05:11:11] <athenian200> And use touchscreens as their excuse.
[05:11:15] <originalme8> lol I adjust well. I still type a lot faster on a standard.
[05:11:32] <originalme8> That's not an excuse in my opinion.
[05:11:47] <athenian200> Well, that's good to hear.
[05:11:50] <originalme8> "Lol" is about as far as I go.
[05:12:07] <athenian200> LOL actually predates textspeak.
[05:12:15] <athenian200> Everyone thinks it IS textspeak.
[05:12:15] <athenian200> LOL.
[05:12:16] <originalme8> To be honest, I used that long before...yea you beat me
[05:12:18] <athenian200> But it's not.
[05:12:48] <athenian200> I get really annoyed when I criticize someone for using textspeak, and they point out that I use LOL.
[05:13:02] <athenian200> And I have to explain that an acronym isn't the same thing as an abbreviation.
[05:13:18] <originalme8> As long as you don't say LOL, then you're good.
[05:13:39] <originalme8> Its the "u r" crap that bugs me.
[05:13:59] <athenian200> What's worse is when they spell it "ur."
[05:14:15] <athenian200> Because then I'm tempted to make a joke about Mesopotamia.
[05:14:39] <originalme8> My girlfriends mother did that all the time in text messages. I put a text expander on her phone :-)
[05:15:02] <athenian200> LOL, that's one solution.
[05:15:38] <originalme8> Worked well for me. I just dread setting it up again when she gets a new phone.
[05:15:44] <athenian200> You know, I have used those blackberry-style keyboards on phones for chat.
[05:15:52] <athenian200> And I can get reasonably fast on those with practice.
[05:15:53] <originalme8> I should look into making that an app.
[05:16:05] <athenian200> But touchscreens... I just can't even reach the same speed on those.
[05:16:18] <athenian200> They're so slow, and trying to go faster will wear out the screen.
[05:16:23] <athenian200> Or something.
[05:16:39] <athenian200> On top of how I can't feel the keys anyway.
[05:16:47] <originalme8> I doubt it wears out the screen, but my thou,be wear out.
[05:17:05] <originalme8> I honestly don't miss the touch.
[05:17:30] <athenian200> I guess it kind of gets to me that they aren't giving us a lot of choice.
[05:17:39] <originalme8> If they made a full touch keyboard that I could use both hands with, I could do it.
[05:18:05] <athenian200> I don't really understand that at all.
[05:18:09] <originalme8> Took me a long time to switch.
[05:18:42] <athenian200> It frustrates me that everyone is so willing to switch to something inferior.
[05:18:46] <originalme8> I had a Motorola Droid for a long time. Held on to it till it died for the keyboard, but I wouldn't go back now.
[05:19:09] <originalme8> Most people don't type like you and I.
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[05:19:44] <originalme8> I'm to tired to figure out if that last sentence was bad grammar.
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[05:20:34] <originalme8> Having trouble there Brad?
[05:20:55] <athenian200> Well... I know that they don't, but I don't feel like I should have to use an inferior product designed for people with poor taste.
[05:21:28] <originalme8> So don't use one. Just get a light laptop.
[05:21:34] <athenian200> And I guess I can't bring myself to accept what the market has chosen, so I fight.
[05:21:39] <athenian200> Oh, I do actually have one.
[05:21:40] <athenian200> LOL.
[05:22:05] <originalme8> You have a tablet?
[05:22:12] <athenian200> No, a light laptop.
[05:22:13] <athenian200> LOL.
[05:22:22] <originalme8> Oh lol
[05:22:32] <athenian200> Everyone thinks I'm crazy for sticking to laptops.
[05:22:51] <originalme8> Nah, its my main goto.
[05:22:56] <athenian200> But hey, they work better for me, and they aren't that much heavier.
[05:23:02] <originalme8> I'm just to lazy to go get mine.
[05:23:33] <athenian200> Yeah, I know how that is.
[05:23:40] <originalme8> My tablet was here because I am using it for Linux Outlaws
[05:24:51] <originalme8> Man, I'll tell you this new Pocket Casts 4.x program is an amazing podcatcher
[05:25:37] <athenian200> I tend not to watch podcasts partly because I hate the name.
[05:25:45] <athenian200> I kind of have a grudge against Apple.
[05:26:07] <originalme8> Netcasts better?
[05:26:08] <athenian200> I mean, I'm not opposed to watching them.
[05:26:13] <originalme8> You and me both
[05:26:45] <athenian200> But it's just I kind of feel like I have to jump through more hoops to watch them on a PC.
[05:26:53] <originalme8> I prefer netcasts, but most people don't know what I am talking about when I say it.
[05:26:53] <athenian200> Because it was only designed to work with a smartphone.
[05:27:23] <athenian200> And I guess I'm usually not tempted to do it.
[05:27:26] <originalme8> Not originally. They were designed for PCs first. RSS for audio.
[05:27:46] <athenian200> Can they still be used that way?
[05:27:50] <originalme8> So, do you listen to Geeknights then?
[05:27:52] <originalme8> Yea
[05:28:14] <athenian200> Sometimes I've seen them put in m4a format.
[05:28:20] <originalme8> I had a great podcaster on my Fedora box before I blew it away last time.
[05:28:22] <athenian200> And that can be a pain to listen to on a PC.
[05:28:39] <athenian200> I mean, you sometimes have to install something to play it back.
[05:28:42] <originalme8> Why?
[05:29:00] <originalme8> VLC plays them just fine.
[05:29:18] <athenian200> Yeah, I usually have to install something like that to play them.
[05:29:39] <athenian200> But it just seems like because they chose that format, they weren't considering me at all.
[05:29:44] <athenian200> Just those iPhone users.
[05:29:49] <athenian200> And that gets to me.
[05:29:50] <athenian200> LOL.
[05:30:06] <athenian200> Not enough that I won't do it.
[05:30:10] <originalme8> Huh....not sure what formats the ones I listen to are in.
[05:30:19] <athenian200> But enough that I'm less interested than I would be.
[05:30:47] <athenian200> Geeknights provides an mp3 format one, I think.
[05:30:56] <athenian200> That's pretty easy.
[05:31:11] <originalme8> Linux outlaws has a ogg version.
[05:31:37] <originalme8> There's didn't play in my old catcher when they switched to variable bit rate.
[05:31:48] <athenian200> That is what I'd expect from them, yeah.
[05:31:54] <originalme8> an ogg version*
[05:31:55] <athenian200> An OGG version.
[05:32:02] <originalme8> Yea
[05:32:16] <originalme8> Sorry really late. Going to ,make more and more typos
[05:32:28] <athenian200> Ah, that's fine.
[05:32:35] <athenian200> I've read much worse by people who were wide awake.
[05:32:50] <athenian200> Just because I won't use textspeak doesn't mean I haven't learned how to read it.
[05:32:59] <originalme8> That's one of the dangers of the internet.
[05:33:11] <athenian200> Ironically, I met some idiot who used it all the time...
[05:33:18] <athenian200> And had to look up every other word in it.
[05:33:23] <originalme8> Friends now?
[05:33:31] <originalme8> :-P
[05:33:50] <athenian200> Yeah, I guess they were a friend.
[05:33:56] <athenian200> But anyway...
[05:34:12] <originalme8> Anyways, shows over and I should sleep. Nice chatting with you athenian200.
[05:34:20] <athenian200> See you later.
[05:34:23] <originalme8> May see you around later.
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[10:08:57] <MrBRAD> cloudflare is down. Suddenly the internet went on hold.
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[10:49:13] <nine> HOLY MOTHERFUCK. Cloudflare is apparently fucked and now half the fucking internet is out. :|
[10:49:14] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[10:59:11] <nine> :¬|
[11:00:55] <MrBRAD> ...aaaand now it's back
[11:06:58] <nine> Almost.
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[13:46:59] <aria> Does Windows 8 have any arbitary limiations, the way Win 7 only sees 16GB RAM?
[13:48:01] <aria> The professional version is 40 bucks more. Doesn't seem like there is ultimate, this time.
[13:49:00] <Snickety-Snake> It looks like there is still a limitation on RAM, but much higher than 7's limit. http://msdn.microsoft.com
[13:49:43] <aria> 128, eh? I can deal with that =P
[13:49:57] <aria> Any other arbitary limiations I should know about?
[13:51:04] <Snickety-Snake> Not that I know of, but I'm not really familiar with Windows 8.
[13:51:09] <aria> I'm looking forward to the time I get to bitch about only being able to use 128 out of my 512GB of RAM
[13:51:37] <aria> Is there a difference between Enterprise and Professional? Is Enterprise without the new UI?
[13:52:40] <aria> Wait, Win 7 starter doesn't have the limit, but Home Premium does? (And so do the expensive versions, but at 192GB)
[13:54:08] <Snickety-Snake> It's only available in a 32-bit version
[13:54:31] <aria> Oh, that makes more sense
[13:54:36] <aria> my bad, I misread the chart
[13:55:50] <Snickety-Snake> Ah, found the Wikipedia page for Windows 8 editions http://en.wikipedia.org
[13:59:19] <Snickety-Snake> Looks like all you'd miss out on without pro would be Remote Desktop server, built in encryption, sideloading Windows store apps, and some larger scale deployment features.
[14:00:29] <aria> Ah, thanks a bunch
[14:00:41] <aria> They don't-- block certain applications, do they?
[14:00:52] <aria> I can still do third party VNC without the expensive one, yes?
[14:00:58] <Snickety-Snake> No problemo
[14:01:25] <Snickety-Snake> Yeah, just not Window's built-in remote desktop
[14:02:05] <aria> Eh that's fine. I bet they're just repackaging whatever is the hot open source server these days, like Apple does
[14:02:57] <aria> What does sideloading the apps mean? With the regular edition: Do I have to be looking at the progress bar for things to be downloading? That sounds awful!
[14:03:23] <Snickety-Snake> I think the sideloading of apps is for developers who want to test their applications before submitting them to the Windows store.
[14:04:08] <aria> Oh right--- you can't just run your own software on this?
[14:04:35] <Snickety-Snake> So they don't have to go through the store itself to install apps that were built for the store. You can run regular software no problem.
[14:05:44] <aria> I don't get it. Once you package it for the store, you can no longer run it without submitting it to MS and re-downloading it from their server?
[14:06:01] <aria> Why not test your application prior to packaging it properly
[14:09:57] <aria> The expensive version of 8 gives you access to a MS managed VPN
[14:10:03] <aria> That sounds good..
[14:11:14] <aria> Nvm
[14:11:27] <aria> It's something else. This wikipedia artcile is confusing
[14:11:34] <aria> http://en.wikipedia.org
[14:12:12] <Snickety-Snake> Yeah, a little. I'm still trying to find out how the sideloading would work.
[14:15:38] <Snickety-Snake> Ok, it seems like it is just for devs who want to write applications for the store after all. It looks like there's a new type of installer for apps that get distributed through the store, and developers have a different way to run them as they're developed.
[14:17:17] <Snickety-Snake> How much more is pro compared to standard?
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[14:19:32] <Snickety-Snake> Hey, Bronz.
[14:19:40] <Bronzdragon> 'ello snake man
[14:23:54] <aria> 40 bucks more
[14:24:02] <aria> And that still seems weird to me
[14:24:22] <aria> Why can't I just run the software I made, if I have all the parts required to run it
[14:24:31] <Bronzdragon> Ugh, I know, right
[14:24:40] <Bronzdragon> Stupid sony, just give me execution rights!
[14:25:05] <Snickety-Snake> You can, just not if it's meant to be downloaded from their app store.
[14:25:06] <aria> But you do have execution right
[14:25:12] <aria> Only not for software you write
[14:25:16] <aria> If someone else wrote it, you can run it just fine
[14:25:39] <aria> Oh is this their way of fighting piracy?
[14:25:45] <aria> You need to pay a pirate's fee to MS?
[14:27:03] <Snickety-Snake> I think so. You also seem to need a developer's license (akin to Apple's) to sideload Windows store apps.
[14:27:35] <aria> Right, cause pirate's are just gonna pirate the pirate's fee
[14:27:50] <aria> Eh, I'll just wait for someone to crack it
[14:27:58] <Snickety-Snake> I suppose it makes some sense. You've got to pay their fees if you want in on their store, but if you want to distribute your application the standard way you
[14:28:05] <Snickety-Snake> 're a-ok.
[14:28:32] <aria> Oh, so you /can/ run metro apps that are not from the store?
[14:28:55] <aria> Wait, so the lisence is so you don't have to pay MS to download your own applications from the store? =P
[14:29:06] <aria> Cause I assume you test and finalize it before submitting to the store
[14:30:44] <Snickety-Snake> Thing is, I'm not sure you can test it (in it's final form) without sideloading it, because of the installer. I'm sure you can run whatever code you've written just fine, but in order to test out the installer itself you have to go through this process.
[14:31:58] <aria> That's kinda weird =/
[14:33:49] <Bronzdragon> Do you have Windows 8, Snickety-Snake?
[14:33:54] <Snickety-Snake> It does seem a little odd, but it has some nice effects like (I would assume) not having to deal with product keys, since the software store deals with authentication for you.
[14:33:59] <Snickety-Snake> Nope.
[14:34:08] <Bronzdragon> So...
[14:34:18] <Bronzdragon> We're all kind of guessing here, eh?
[14:34:28] <Snickety-Snake> I've mostly been exercising my google-fu and speculating.
[14:36:25] <Snickety-Snake> http://msdn.microsoft.com
[14:37:38] <aria> Bronzdragon: Snickety-Snake is googling and I'm being confused
[14:37:40] <aria> (also googling)
[14:38:19] <aria> Does the Windows 8 store do pay what you want?
[14:40:51] <Snickety-Snake> Dunno. I don't feel like they do, but I haven
[14:41:07] <aria> I asked in ##windows
[14:41:09] <Snickety-Snake> 't seen anything about it
[14:41:12] <aria> But haven't gotten an answer
[14:48:48] <aria> It does not have that
[14:57:09] <aria> Why do none of these MGR comparisons show the cutting?
[15:03:30] <aria> Phantom Dust on the Xbox has proper destructable enviornments
[15:03:41] <aria> You can shoot the ceiling, and it breaks
[15:03:50] <aria> or shoot supporting beams
[15:03:53] <aria> and it might fall down
[15:05:32] <Apsup> MGR has that kind of elements, but it's not the best with physics. The cutting is mostly for making cyborg and helicopter sallad.
[15:05:58] <aria> Well, this is a Xbox 1 game
[15:06:02] <aria> and it doesn't look like shit
[15:06:03] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[15:06:16] <aria> and it did super badly, probably didn't have a budget
[15:10:36] <Apsup> Are you implying that Rising looks like shit?
[15:10:38] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[15:10:50] <aria> No, I'm implying Xbox 1 games look like shit
[15:10:51] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[15:11:00] <aria> Espcailly ones that try to do CPU intensive things
[15:11:36] <aria> MGR actually looks really good
[15:14:31] <Apsup> It does. Not that I stop to appreciate the visuals when I play it.
[15:17:22] <aria> Do you know when and if it's coming for PC?
[15:17:34] <aria> Had I had money, I would've just bought it twice =P
[15:18:06] <Apsup> Nothing official yet. I didn't really follow news about it before it came out.
[15:18:30] <Apsup> I've remember reading somehting that PC version could be possibility in the future, but not in works right now.
[15:19:37] <aria> Oh
[15:19:38] <aria> that sucks
[15:19:58] <aria> Apperantly the Xbox version has pre-determined cutting, as opposed to dynamic?
[15:20:07] <aria> But from playing the demo, it seemed pretty good
[15:20:56] <Apsup> Yea, if it is, it's not noticable while playing.
[15:21:10] <Apsup> You can produce really fine pieces if you want to.
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[15:34:01] <aria> Hey Fifteh!
[15:34:07] <aria> Hit that big ass ramp
[15:37:05] <aria> Crap
[15:37:09] <aria> Im out of milk
[15:37:11] <aria> at a really bad time
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[17:18:09] <aria> Why are there 3000USD computer cases on this website?
[17:48:00] <aria> Did Rym just say CS has a good community, because good games don't have bad communities?
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[17:59:08] <aria> Welcome back
[17:59:32] <aria> Rym says CS has a good community.
[17:59:42] <aria> I figured you should know that
[18:05:47] <Apsup> I say that Rym apparently knows jack shit about things then. The one server he plays in != The community of the whole game.
[18:05:48] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[18:06:29] <aria> Also apperantly getting authority figures to answer twitter questions is harder than it was half a year ago
[18:07:21] <Apsup> Maybe that's because your questios are bad?
[18:07:36] <aria> Perhaps
[18:07:46] <aria> But surely they aren't worse than they were half a year ago?
[18:31:06] <aria> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[18:34:17] <aria> What is Jellyfish Princess?
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[18:55:58] <Bronzdragon> Hey guys
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[19:06:22] <Bronzdragon> Hai hai ZAP
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[19:09:35] <Bronzdragon> Hai yoshokatana.
[19:09:40] <yoshokatana> hola
[19:30:14] <Bronzdragon> How goes it
[20:45:50] <Bronzdragon> =(
[20:46:00] <athenian200> Looks like they didn't respond.
[20:46:13] <Bronzdragon> I know, it makes me sad. \(
[20:46:37] <athenian200> That happens to me all the time... I'm in the middle of a conversation, or trying to get someone's attention.
[20:46:47] <athenian200> And just dead silence all of a sudden.
[20:47:00] <Bronzdragon> Eh, it happens.
[20:47:05] <athenian200> Yeah, it does.
[20:48:01] <athenian200> I posted a thread about dominant discourses on that place you told me about.
[20:48:04] <athenian200> LOL.
[20:48:12] <Bronzdragon> que?
[20:48:53] <athenian200> Maybe it was someone else... it was this place called frontrowcrew.com.
[20:49:00] <athenian200> Apparently they have a forum there.
[20:49:45] <athenian200> Now I'm just going to wait and see if anyone notices it. LOL.
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[20:50:17] <Bronzdragon> hai Linkigi.
[20:50:20] <athenian200> I'm picturing Luigi wearing his own hat, Link's Tunic, holding the Master Sword and a Bob-Omb... because of your name.
[20:50:24] <Linkigi> hai Bronz
[20:50:29] <Bronzdragon> I said "que?
[20:50:33] <Bronzdragon> Because you said lol
[20:51:28] <athenian200> Ah, I see.
[20:52:08] <athenian200> I've developed a habit of saying that more than necessary for some reason.
[20:52:12] <athenian200> I'm not sure why.
[20:52:28] <Bronzdragon> I'll try and not hold it against you :)
[20:52:43] <athenian200> LOL.
[20:57:21] <aria> That post is long!
[20:58:48] <Bronzdragon> What Aria said.
[20:59:02] <athenian200> Well, it's a fairly involved subject.
[20:59:49] <athenian200> Maybe the Internet in general just has too much of a "tl;dr" mentality for what I want to talk about...
[21:00:31] <aria> Nah, we're used to walls of text. Its just, usually its a very short wall, followed by a second persons short wall, and then the rest of the first wall
[21:00:52] <athenian200> Ah.
[21:01:14] <athenian200> That makes sense.
[21:01:21] <aria> Also, it's sunday
[21:01:41] <athenian200> Is that good or bad?
[21:02:08] <aria> Means people aren't gonna be spending time on the forum aside from short sessions
[21:02:27] <aria> On weekdays, you'd wanna slack off from work as much as possible
[21:02:51] <athenian200> It's funny, I've noticed that even though people are off work, the weekends are the most dead times.
[21:02:57] <athenian200> For anything online.
[21:03:10] <Bronzdragon> Unless it's something organized, yes.
[21:03:14] <aria> Because everyone is off wrok*
[21:03:16] <aria> work
[21:03:17] <aria> *
[21:04:01] <athenian200> These annoying people insist on having lives and full plates, must be the reason.
[21:04:02] <athenian200> LOL.
[21:04:38] <athenian200> Oh, yeah, that was why... so that people wouldn't take the proceeding statement too seriously.
[21:04:40] <Bronzdragon> Ugh, stop having fun and discuss things with me!
[21:05:06] <athenian200> Yeah, sometimes I do just want to say that to them.
[21:05:12] <athenian200> Although I know you can't really do that.
[21:38:48] <Bronzdragon> Well, people replied to your topic.
[21:39:27] <athenian200> I saw.
[21:39:56] <nine> Oh, chatting going on.
[21:39:56] <athenian200> Not particularly thrilled at this guy suggesting I'm asking people to do my homework for me, so now...
[21:40:00] <nine> Time to gtfo.
[21:40:15] <athenian200> I've had to prove my competence by answering my own questions.
[21:40:22] <athenian200> Which I didn't really want to do, but I don't mind.
[21:40:24] <athenian200> LOL.
[21:40:45] <Bronzdragon> Hai nine.
[21:40:54] <nine> Bye Bronze.
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[21:40:56] <athenian200> Is nine afraid of discussion?
[21:40:58] <athenian200> LOL.
[21:41:09] <Bronzdragon> Let's just say he's a bit special...
[21:41:17] <Bronzdragon> Kind of like an angry gnome.
[21:42:48] <athenian200> I can imagine that.
[21:43:18] <Bronzdragon> So, I think one of the main problems is that you overcomplicate things.
[21:43:44] <Bronzdragon> You present this discussion on Dominant discourse in a whole package, but that kind of causes there to be no room for discussion
[21:43:45] <athenian200> I think the main problem is that most people want to discuss things on a superficial level.
[21:43:50] <Bronzdragon> Basically "it is this."
[21:44:09] <athenian200> And can't actually think about anything that takes longer than 5 minutes.
[21:44:11] <athenian200> LOL.
[21:44:25] <Bronzdragon> Am I wrong?
[21:44:43] <Bronzdragon> The questions you phrased at the end are the only real query you make in your entire post.
[21:44:52] <Bronzdragon> And those are just-- easy to answer.
[21:44:55] <athenian200> Well, obviously I have to define it otherwise people won't know what it is.
[21:45:16] <Bronzdragon> Another problem is that you use terms that are meaningless for laymen.
[21:45:31] <Bronzdragon> For example "How can post-modernism and critical theory be applied in order to create awareness of a dominant discourse?"
[21:45:34] <Bronzdragon> What does taht mean?
[21:45:41] <athenian200> Well, that's not the level I want to discuss it on...
[21:45:44] <Bronzdragon> Surely you can't tell me you could've said taht simpler.
[21:45:57] <Bronzdragon> Are you saying that people who don't know fancy words are dumb?
[21:46:07] <athenian200> I kind of wanted to have discussions on a more rigorous level.
[21:46:10] <athenian200> Not saying that.
[21:46:22] <Bronzdragon> ... but?
[21:47:36] <Bronzdragon> Oh, one last thing, your question is also ambigous.
[21:48:15] <Bronzdragon> Are you asking how to create awareness of a specific dominant discourse, or of the fact that such standards exist on pretty much all topics?
[21:48:36] <athenian200> Either one would be sufficient.
[21:48:39] <athenian200> Actually.
[21:50:17] <aria> So this is possible http://youtu.be
[21:51:14] <Bronzdragon> I thought you were going to say something after "Actually"
[21:51:36] <athenian200> Oh, no, I was done.
[21:53:51] <Bronzdragon> Y'know, that bossfight was actually kind of cool
[21:55:50] <athenian200> I guess the thing is, when I dumb things down to the point that most people would get it...
[21:55:57] <athenian200> I wouldn't even use the term dominant discourse.
[21:56:02] <athenian200> And wouldn't even discuss the underlying concepts.
[21:56:28] <athenian200> And I guess I wanted to actually discuss it as concept rather than just one specific problem.
[21:56:43] <athenian200> To find patterns of it.
[21:56:58] <Bronzdragon> I think you underestimate people
[21:57:42] <athenian200> You said just a moment before I was going over their heads.
[21:57:47] <athenian200> And now you say I underestimate them.
[21:57:49] <athenian200> LOL.
[21:58:00] <athenian200> It can't be both.
[21:58:03] <athenian200> Can it?
[21:59:32] <athenian200> Obviously, if I'm going over their heads when I discuss it like that.
[21:59:45] <athenian200> Then I have to avoid the complexity and simply discuss one issue at a time.
[22:00:01] <athenian200> Without engaging them too deeply.
[22:00:10] <athenian200> Because that's the only way they'll understand.
[22:00:28] <Bronzdragon> I said that people who are not versed in the Thesaurus can still have interesting thoughts.
[22:01:33] <athenian200> These are actually fairly large concepts.
[22:01:37] <aria> The fact that you choose to use complicated terms does not mean the subject matter is something people are unable to comprehend.
[22:02:21] <aria> It definitely sounds like you're underestimating people from skimming through this discussion
[22:02:27] <athenian200> The complicated terms describe something more specific.
[22:02:49] <athenian200> And everyday terms lump a lot of concepts together without refinement.
[22:04:06] <Bronzdragon> That is fair, but you use difficult terminology when simpler words would]
[22:04:11] <Bronzdragon> *would suffice.
[22:04:28] <Bronzdragon> Me typing that does prove I'm not able to hold a discussion on the level you want though.
[22:05:01] <athenian200> Well, honestly I was more interested in locating people who do understand those terms...
[22:05:10] <athenian200> Not that other people are stupid for not getting them.
[22:05:35] <athenian200> Any more than someone who doesn't know what a DDR3 1600MHz module is, would be stupid.
[22:06:14] <athenian200> Just that they're clearly not as interested in the topic.
[22:06:35] <Bronzdragon> I see, you're using it as a filter.
[22:06:45] <Bronzdragon> That's entirely fair.
[22:06:53] <athenian200> Not intentionally, I suppose.
[22:07:13] <athenian200> I really do tend to think using those complex terms.
[22:07:27] <athenian200> And I feel like I'm constantly forced to simplify things more than I like.
[22:07:40] <athenian200> Because I can't find people that understand and think that way.
[22:08:13] <athenian200> With technology, that's not an issue.
[22:08:23] <athenian200> I can find a TON of people who know what I'm talking about with that.
[22:08:24] <Bronzdragon> "People aren't smart enough to understand me =(" #firstworldproblems
[22:08:35] <Bronzdragon> (I'm joking, of course)
[22:09:15] <athenian200> LOL. Most people in the world really are more focused on how to get a bite to eat or provide for an oversized family than on the big picture.
[22:09:21] <athenian200> I do feel bad for them.
[22:10:12] <Bronzdragon> Well, almost every country has bigger problems than "people aren't as open to new ideas and other perspectives as they could be".
[22:10:44] <athenian200> Maybe so, but new ideas and other perspectives are what I care about...
[22:11:18] <athenian200> So it's understandable that I'd want to find people to discuss those things with.
[22:11:19] <athenian200> Right?
[22:11:42] <athenian200> Rather than forcing myself to listen to people go on and on about their children and their job.
[22:11:53] <Bronzdragon> But you want to discuss the meta of why there aren't new ideas.
[22:12:09] <Bronzdragon> Which is also a fine goal, mind you.
[22:12:17] <Bronzdragon> But yes, I hear you.
[22:12:46] <athenian200> A lot of times, society would be improved by permitting a new discourse.
[22:12:53] <athenian200> And the dominant one is incredibly stifling.
[22:13:17] <athenian200> And it's frustrating to watch people walk into the same walls over and over again like drunk rats in a maze.
[22:13:24] <athenian200> Never seeing the larger patterns that govern their lives.
[22:13:27] <Bronzdragon> Indeed.
[22:13:46] <Bronzdragon> There's really only one major area that gets it right.
[22:13:57] <Bronzdragon> Anything using the scientific method does it correctly
[22:14:06] <athenian200> Yeah.
[22:14:30] <Bronzdragon> The dominant discourse is still there, but when a better, or at least different one is submitted, both are looked at carefully
[22:15:01] <Bronzdragon> The problem is that unlike scientific fields, it's hard to determine what is "better" in other fields.
[22:16:04] <athenian200> But no one even gives anything else a chance in other fields.
[22:16:19] <athenian200> So how can we know?
[22:16:27] <Bronzdragon> Well, it depends on the field
[22:16:39] <Bronzdragon> And it's not as much a problem in other areas of the world
[22:17:12] <Bronzdragon> It's really weird that America (and I'm generalizing horribly here) suppresses critical thinking
[22:17:29] <Bronzdragon> How did it get like that, I wonder?
[22:18:44] <athenian200> I think it's a combination of religion and the drive for patriotism that started in WWII.
[22:19:07] <athenian200> Perhaps along with some of justifications for the Civil War.
[22:19:34] <athenian200> Even though the Union was basically acting like England and being hypocritical.
[22:19:54] <athenian200> Certainly, it's deplorable that the South kept slaves.
[22:20:25] <athenian200> But forcing them back into the Union, while saying that England was wrong to try and force their loyalty...
[22:20:34] <athenian200> Seems somewhat hypocritical.
[22:20:54] <Bronzdragon> I don't know a lot about the American civel war, or about it's independance
[22:21:10] <athenian200> Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
[22:21:11] <Bronzdragon> Other than they didn't agree on some stuff, including slavery.
[22:21:30] <athenian200> I've heard that most of the "facts" are propaganda anyway.
[22:21:44] <athenian200> And that most of what people believe about those wars isn't true.
[22:21:46] <athenian200> At least here.
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[22:22:27] <athenian200> So I don't really know what to think.
[22:22:28] <athenian200> LOL.
[22:22:49] <Bronzdragon> We should get a historian.
[22:22:52] <Bronzdragon> Are they for hire?
[22:22:55] <Bronzdragon> (hai woodchuck!)
[22:22:59] <athenian200> Hehe.
[22:24:09] <woodchuck> What is ups?
[22:25:05] <Bronzdragon> Talkin about stuff...
[22:25:07] <Bronzdragon> You?
[22:31:29] <athenian200> They didn't respond again.
[22:31:51] <athenian200> It's always awkward when they don't respond.
[22:31:52] <athenian200> LOL.
[22:32:11] <Bronzdragon> Yes.
[22:32:15] <Bronzdragon> I think they don't like me.
[22:32:28] <athenian200> Yeah, I know how you feel.
[22:38:24] <Linkigi> well, you can always find historians who will take a few thousands in grant money to do research for you
[22:39:06] <Linkigi> Also, anti-intellectualism has been an American tradition basically since Andrew Jackson was elected
[22:39:13] <Linkigi> possibly since Shay's Rebellion
[22:42:40] <Apsup> Looking at the channel I just realized that Bronz and athenian have same lenght nicks. Makes reading dialogue between them kinda hard.
[22:43:55] <Bronzdragon> I've had this problem with nine and aria, and other four-letter nicks too
[22:44:03] Bronzdragon is now known as B-dawg
[22:44:07] <B-dawg> Here ya go
[22:45:08] <athenian200> LOL.
[22:45:19] <athenian200> And yeah, that could be when it started.
[22:45:20] <Apsup> Suits me. Although I prefer the B-drag.
[22:47:41] B-dawg is now known as B-Drag
[22:50:48] <athenian200> Does B drag A or C?
[22:50:50] <athenian200> xD
[22:51:18] <B-Drag> Man, this Bee is a drag...
[22:51:25] <B-Drag> Not like any of the other party bees.
[22:51:26] <athenian200> LOL.
[22:52:30] <athenian200> Are you talking about Spelling Bee?
[22:52:36] <athenian200> A lot of people say that about him.
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[23:09:59] <Cybylt> Hello
[23:10:20] <Cybylt> is B-Drag Bronz?
[23:10:59] <B-Drag> Yes
[23:11:02] <B-Drag> Hai Cybylt
[23:11:07] <Cybylt> Alright then, hello
[23:11:10] <B-Drag> Why do you have to have a six character name though >_>
[23:11:12] <B-Drag> Oh! I know!
[23:11:14] B-Drag is now known as BD
[23:11:18] <BD> =D
[23:11:20] <Cybylt> I got a Sengoku Basara manga
[23:11:37] <Cybylt> which appears to be three or four volumes put into one book
[23:11:57] <Cybylt> Masamune Date is leading a coalition against Hideyoshi Raoh
[23:12:01] <Cybylt> I mean Toyotomi
[23:12:08] <Cybylt> but seriously, that's Raoh
[23:12:31] <Cybylt> http://www.creativeuncut.com
[23:12:32] <Robobuntoo> You can't gallery ten arts!
[23:13:05] <Cybylt> with sideburns on his sideburns
[23:13:15] <Cybylt> Go would be proud
[23:13:51] <BD> I can see what you mean, but that face is way to effeminate
[23:14:09] <BD> Raoh would take this man-woman to his bedchambers.
[23:15:04] <Cybylt> I'm not sure I se the effeminate face thing in these pictures
[23:15:31] <Cybylt> he has Ken's eyebrows and those massive sideburns, a square jaw and perma-frown
[23:16:45] <Cybylt> and then Tadakatsu Honda is a gundam
[23:25:08] <aria> he does facial hair right
[23:25:23] <aria> but facial features aren't manly enough
[23:25:32] <aria> Also, I will return in a jiffy
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[23:46:03] <Apsup> Well, he did return...
[23:51:29] <Cybylt> "I think we're all beginning to lose sight of the real issue here, which is: what are we going to call ourselves? I think it comes down to a choice between "The League Against Salivating Monsters" or, my own personal preference, which is "The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society." One drawback with that--the abbreviation is C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S."
[23:53:25] <BD> ...
[23:54:12] <Cybylt> That was from Rimmer in season 3, a polymorph stole his anger. He looked like a hippie professor and wore a shirt that said "Give quiche a chance"
[23:54:59] <BD> A polymorph stole his anger?
[23:55:07] <BD> Please expand upon that.
[23:55:34] <Cybylt> polymorphs are genertically engineered life forms that can change to any form and feed upon emotions
[23:56:07] <BD> Hmm... I see.
[23:56:09] <Cybylt> other gelfs keep some as pets called emohawks and trade emotions as a limited and valuable commodity
[23:58:40] <BD> ... Oh!
[23:58:47] <BD> You;re talking about Red Dwarf lore