#geeknights | Logs for 2013-03-02

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[00:00:00] <aria> I wanna say that's a first, but I'd probably offend some people
[00:00:45] <athenian200> Okay, I clicked on the forum link, but all I saw was this weird list of random comments.
[00:00:55] <athenian200> That's not organized at all.
[00:00:58] <aria> Hopefully Kulag is a girl, or we've all been deviced by her (or his in this case) genetilia-less half-spider ways
[00:01:12] <aria> Those are not comments but threads
[00:01:18] <aria> You can organize them with the sidebar
[00:01:26] <athenian200> But where are the subforums?
[00:01:30] <aria> but there is no point in doing that, other than filtering out stuff you're not interested in
[00:01:31] <Apsup> What?
[00:01:34] <Bronzdragon> hehe, subforums.
[00:01:36] <Bronzdragon> Actually, there are
[00:01:49] <Bronzdragon> See those "categories" on the right?
[00:01:50] <aria> We don't use subforums
[00:01:53] <Bronzdragon> those are 'sub forums'.
[00:02:01] <Apsup> These forums have like three handfuls of really active users, there is no need for subforums.
[00:02:05] <aria> Well sorta. They're tags. You can organize your view
[00:03:01] <aria> Apsup: Yknow.. Quelaag. The spider lady. It's kinda like Kula-- Nvm
[00:03:01] <athenian200> It seems like a fairly basic, no-frills design.
[00:03:24] <aria> I enjoy it at least
[00:03:25] <athenian200> What is it that draws people there?
[00:03:48] <aria> Enforced spellcheck perhaps
[00:03:51] <Kulag> Oh come on, the name isn't THAT similar. :D
[00:04:12] <Bronzdragon> I think of Quelaag every time
[00:04:17] <aria> All the generic internet bickering is predictable, since it's always from the same 3 users
[00:04:27] <Bronzdragon> But that might be because I mispronounce it wrong...
[00:04:38] <aria> That's a double negative, Bronz
[00:04:43] <aria> How do you say your name, Kulag?
[00:04:53] <Bronzdragon> In this case, my double negative works.
[00:06:42] <Apsup> It's late and I should go to the bed. Maybe play some DS. Sleep at some point.
[00:06:49] <athenian200> Good night, Apsup.
[00:07:10] <aria> What is this sleep you speak of?
[00:07:22] <athenian200> I recharge, myself.
[00:07:29] <athenian200> Only takes 5 hours.
[00:07:35] <athenian200> As opposed to the 8 for sleep.
[00:07:45] <athenian200> And can be more easily interrupted.
[00:07:51] <aria> That's probably not healthy
[00:08:13] <athenian200> Yeah, but I don't really move around much all day anyway...
[00:08:25] <Bronzdragon> ... What, you don't lick forks and stick them in the outlet?
[00:08:28] <athenian200> So I don't get tired enough to sleep for a long time.
[00:08:33] <athenian200> xD
[00:08:40] <aria> That makes it even less healthy!
[00:08:51] <athenian200> The less you know about my health, the better.
[00:08:52] <athenian200> xD
[00:09:30] <Kulag> aria: kuːlæg
[00:10:39] <aria> That's the same way as Quelaag is read by the dev team, but not by the actor who plays her sister. She says it with a long English A.
[00:10:48] <Bronzdragon> Oh you silly Nord.
[00:11:07] <aria> Bronz: That's not being a nord, æ is used when writing things phonetically
[00:11:14] <athenian200> Anyway, I'm curious. I have two computers running that I use regularly, and I want to have them both logged into IRC at the same time...
[00:11:27] <aria> Aha?
[00:11:30] <athenian200> How can do that without constantly logging out of one and logging into the other?
[00:11:31] <Bronzdragon> You can't use the same nick, sorry
[00:11:32] <aria> Screen the IRC session on one computer
[00:11:39] <aria> SSH into that session with both
[00:11:45] <Bronzdragon> ... oh, I guess?
[00:11:48] <Bronzdragon> That could work.
[00:12:00] <aria> Or just do two different nicks
[00:12:16] <athenian200> I was using a VNC server, but one of the computers had an issue with speed.
[00:12:21] <Kulag> That doesn't sound like I remember her pronouncing it, but okay.
[00:12:28] <athenian200> Oh, and yeah... I was using two different nicks in my own channel.
[00:12:40] <athenian200> But I don't know if other channels would care or not.
[00:13:09] <Bronzdragon> Well, the IRC protocl prevents 2 connectsions with the same nick
[00:13:26] <Bronzdragon> But if you're called athenian200 and athenian201, that's fine by me.
[00:13:28] <aria> Kulag: Oh I guess Quelana (or is that the pyromancy lady?) might actually say the e in the Que when I think about it
[00:13:36] <athenian200> How did you know that my other name was athenian201?
[00:13:38] <athenian200> xD
[00:13:45] <aria> athenian200: VNC for IRC!? What nonsense is this?
[00:13:51] <Bronzdragon> ... I'm a betazoid.
[00:14:30] <aria> Now I haven't seen a lot of Star Trek, but from what I've seen, Betazoids are actually pretty useless at reading minds
[00:14:39] <aria> at least scanning for information. They can do emotions just fine
[00:14:52] <aria> and sometimes very oddly specific plot-related things
[00:14:55] <athenian200> Actually, Deanna Troi was only half Betazoid.
[00:15:01] <athenian200> She was an empath.
[00:15:08] <athenian200> Full Betazoids can read minds.
[00:15:09] <aria> Full Betazoids are better?
[00:15:12] <athenian200> Yeah.
[00:15:22] <aria> Why they get a half one to do the mind-reading job then?
[00:15:30] <aria> Did she bluff her way through the interview?
[00:15:39] <athenian200> Because having a full one would make the show too easy.
[00:15:46] <aria> =P
[00:16:08] <Cybylt> But don't they have a literal god on their side?
[00:16:24] <aria> Not on their side
[00:16:24] <Bronzdragon> ... Q?
[00:16:27] <athenian200> Depends on whether the episode has a proportional obstacle.
[00:16:29] <Bronzdragon> Nah, he just likes to fuck with them.
[00:16:29] <Robobuntoo> ...
[00:16:29] <Cybylt> Q
[00:16:31] <aria> Well at least not as far as I've gotten
[00:16:42] <athenian200> If it's something like the Borg, they have a God.
[00:16:52] <Bronzdragon> Q is as much on the side of the ship as Discord is on the side of the Ponies.
[00:16:53] <aria> There was the one episode where Riker became a Q
[00:16:56] <athenian200> If they have a minor threat, they often have their advanced weapons disabled.
[00:17:16] <athenian200> And end up being handicapped to make the show interesting.
[00:17:53] <aria> I find myself enjoying the episodes that doesn't have a physical threat a lot more
[00:18:15] <aria> I'm only about two seasons through TNG though
[00:18:21] <aria> without having seen much else ST
[00:18:33] <athenian200> A non-physical threat is the most interesting.
[00:18:46] <Bronzdragon> Or a non-thread episode, those are also good
[00:18:55] <Bronzdragon> Where they have to arbitrate 2 species.
[00:19:09] <Bronzdragon> I really enjoyed the episode where one race has 'medicene' for the other race
[00:19:15] <athenian200> I think I remember that one.
[00:19:28] <Bronzdragon> And they can't help the race that is 'sick'.
[00:19:35] <Bronzdragon> Because, y'know, prime derective and stuff
[00:19:42] <aria> Bronzdragon: Cybylt hasn't seen Ponies I don't believe, so the Discord example would be lost on him
[00:19:53] <Bronzdragon> But it's the same actor!
[00:19:58] <Cybylt> I haven't
[00:20:17] <Bronzdragon> Basically, Q plays with them, as you would your acton figures.
[00:20:20] <Bronzdragon> *action.
[00:20:26] <Bronzdragon> Also, watch ponies, Discord is the shit.
[00:20:27] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:20:35] <athenian200> Ketracel-white?
[00:20:40] <athenian200> I think that's what it was called.
[00:20:43] <Cybylt> "Well my guy can breath fire!" "Yeah well this guy is made of lightning!"
[00:20:55] <Cybylt> just dragonball z style one-upsmanship
[00:21:25] <Bronzdragon> Well, that sort of happens...
[00:21:47] <Cybylt> oh and "Hey I hit your guy" Nuh-uh!"
[00:21:53] <aria> athenian200: I think so, but my googling isn't giving me any definitive answers
[00:21:57] <aria> it's an early episode
[00:22:03] <aria> Second season I believe
[00:22:31] <aria> Cybylt: Should also watch Ponies, it's pretty fun
[00:22:34] <aria> Though I suppose
[00:22:37] <aria> Hokuto no Ken comes first
[00:22:44] <aria> Also Intitial D
[00:22:46] <Cybylt> I don't want to watch Ponies
[00:22:46] <athenian200> Dragonball-Z is kind of a funny name for a show.
[00:22:48] <aria> and Golgo 13
[00:23:06] <aria> You don't like fun?
[00:23:21] <Bronzdragon> ...
[00:23:27] <Bronzdragon> Aria said it correctly
[00:23:38] <Cybylt> I don't like ponies
[00:23:40] <Bronzdragon> Tell us what type of manly you want, and we'll reccomend a show.
[00:23:46] <Bronzdragon> You can not like ponies, that's fine
[00:23:49] <Bronzdragon> Watch the other shit!
[00:23:49] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:24:03] <Apsup> Well I'm now actually leaving, going, sleeping. Nigthy night.
[00:24:08] <Bronzdragon> Ciao
[00:24:11] <aria> Bye Apsup
[00:24:12] <Bronzdragon> Dream of some Q!
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[00:26:53] <yoshokatana> back in (relative) civilization!
[00:27:00] <Bronzdragon> Huzza!
[00:27:00] <yoshokatana> I survived the DEEEP SOUTH
[00:27:02] <Bronzdragon> Where were you?
[00:27:04] <Bronzdragon> Oh...
[00:27:09] <athenian200> Oh, the South? Eww.
[00:27:13] <athenian200> That's not pleasant.
[00:27:14] <Bronzdragon> ... So like, Italy?
[00:27:19] <yoshokatana> hey!
[00:27:20] <Bronzdragon> Sounds not too bad...
[00:27:31] <aria> Italy is civilized, they have Pizza..
[00:27:33] <yoshokatana> Italy has better food than the Confederacy
[00:27:46] <athenian200> LOL. I think they mean the American South.
[00:27:49] <Bronzdragon> Pasta is tasty, but stereotypical food aside...
[00:27:50] <athenian200> The people who owned slaves.
[00:28:02] <Bronzdragon> ... Oh, you mean Africa!
[00:28:07] <Bronzdragon> Right, that's WAY more south, you're right.
[00:28:08] <yoshokatana> I remember a glorious past then Italy was the civilization and yous guys up north were the barbarians
[00:28:25] <aria> MGR is getting VR missions in DLC form
[00:28:27] <aria> that's great
[00:28:27] <athenian200> Italy is civilized, more or less.
[00:28:31] <athenian200> I think.
[00:28:39] <Bronzdragon> Have you met their government?
[00:28:41] <yoshokatana> I went to South Carolina (said with a twangy accent) for a day and a half
[00:28:46] <yoshokatana> also, what Bronzdragon said
[00:28:51] <yoshokatana> Italy used to be civilized
[00:28:54] <Bronzdragon> Did you shoot shotguns?
[00:28:58] <yoshokatana> then it went FULL FEUDAL
[00:29:00] <yoshokatana> hmm
[00:29:01] <Bronzdragon> I'm pretty sure that it's required by law.
[00:29:12] <Bronzdragon> Shooting a shotgun at a TV or something
[00:29:13] <yoshokatana> I didn't see a single confederate flag or anyone open-carrying guns
[00:29:16] <yoshokatana> I was dissapoint.
[00:29:41] <Bronzdragon> I've only seen one type of person open carry, ever.
[00:29:49] <athenian200> Rednecks?
[00:29:50] <aria> I would've been releaved
[00:29:53] <Bronzdragon> They're called "police officers".
[00:29:58] <athenian200> Oh.
[00:30:02] <Bronzdragon> =P
[00:30:03] <athenian200> Yeah, that's how it should be.
[00:30:13] <yoshokatana> I went to the state capital, but it was super empty
[00:30:15] <aria> Our police officers have a stick..
[00:30:24] <aria> I guess they openly carry that. They don't use it on people..
[00:30:29] <yoshokatana> I did see some marines though at the airport
[00:30:30] <athenian200> To play fetch with the robbers?
[00:30:37] <yoshokatana> (there's a military base near there)
[00:31:19] <athenian200> "Here, here, Mr. Criminal... fetch the stick, boy, fetch the stick!"
[00:31:31] <aria> To beat the robber over the head with. Tough TBH, I think they'd just let the robber get away and arrest him in his house later that day
[00:31:45] <athenian200> Actually, that would be pretty easy with all the tracking.
[00:31:55] <athenian200> Just let them go and have them arrested later.
[00:32:04] <athenian200> When they sleep.
[00:32:09] <aria> Our police also have horses
[00:32:10] <aria> so that's cool
[00:32:14] <Bronzdragon> Y'know, the stick is more for when they need to force something open
[00:32:17] <Bronzdragon> Like a door or something
[00:32:22] <Bronzdragon> it's more like a swiss army knife
[00:32:27] <Bronzdragon> You don't actually use that to cut people...
[00:32:36] <Bronzdragon> I mean, you /could/.
[00:32:49] <aria> I think police battons are meant for assult
[00:33:30] <athenian200> That seems like a really weak weapon, though... even a sword or knife would be better than that.
[00:34:06] <Bronzdragon> ... but you don't actually wanna kill the criminals
[00:34:15] <Bronzdragon> See, norway and other nordic countries have this weird idea
[00:34:26] <Bronzdragon> they believe you can "reform" criminals to make them stop being criminals.
[00:34:28] <Bronzdragon> WEIRD, RIGHT?
[00:34:33] <Bronzdragon> I just say shoot 'em.
[00:34:46] <athenian200> I mean, I get that, but if it's your life or theirs...
[00:34:57] <athenian200> It seems like you should have something that could kill them.
[00:35:01] <athenian200> Not necessarily do it.
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[00:35:14] <aria> Also, they get martial arts training. I don't think any non-police could actually take a police officer in a fist fight, assuming they aren't someone who does hand to hand combat for a living
[00:35:39] <Bronzdragon> See, it doesn't matter if you have a knife or a baton.
[00:35:46] <Bronzdragon> If you get punched, it's hard to punch back
[00:35:49] <aria> Guns are near impossible to get here. The criminal wouldn't have a gun
[00:35:53] <Bronzdragon> So then it becomes a question of who can hit first.
[00:36:00] <aria> a knife would get smacked out of your hand by the batton
[00:36:11] <Cybylt> Over here we had... well basically it was the plot of First Blood
[00:36:19] <athenian200> Here, people have whole stockpiles of guns in their houses.
[00:36:23] <athenian200> Arsenals.
[00:36:24] <Cybylt> if Rambo was an overweight black man
[00:36:37] <athenian200> And we can't even keep Mexico from getting guns.
[00:36:51] <athenian200> Most of the guns smuggled around the world come from here.
[00:37:41] <aria> Yeah, if you have a knife, you're not better armed than someone with a baton
[00:37:51] <aria> Baton has longer reach and less penalty for handling it wrong
[00:37:54] <Bronzdragon> Well, to be fair, America is an entirely different culture.
[00:38:08] <aria> you'll get hit multiple times before you can hit back, by which time it'll be too late
[00:38:56] <athenian200> America kind of reminds of some very backwoods version of 18th Century England, but with more technology.
[00:39:16] <athenian200> And no advancements in terms of civilization, etc.
[00:40:15] <Bronzdragon> Y'should come over here.
[00:40:18] <Bronzdragon> It's pretty nice
[00:40:25] <aria> No it's not. It's cold
[00:40:32] <aria> and everything is super expensive
[00:40:37] <Bronzdragon> I said here, not the north pole
[00:40:47] <athenian200> I don't think I could get permission to immigrate, anyway.
[00:40:47] <Bronzdragon> And it's warmer in the netherlands than it is in, say, New York.
[00:40:49] <aria> I wanna go there and seal myself in, getting everything I need through Amazon
[00:40:49] <athenian200> LOL.
[00:41:08] <Bronzdragon> Eh, immigrating into Europe is pretty easy from America
[00:41:24] <athenian200> Well, if you have a job offer or a good degree, I think.
[00:41:28] <Bronzdragon> We don't have an 'immigration problem'.
[00:41:36] <athenian200> I looked up the rules, seems require something like that.
[00:41:59] <Bronzdragon> I think that's for permanent stay, but you can come over for 1.5 years for free, I think
[00:42:06] <Bronzdragon> so you need to get a job in 1.5 years
[00:42:09] <Bronzdragon> Or a wife
[00:42:15] <Bronzdragon> Or a husband...
[00:42:19] <aria> Norway actually doesn't acknowledge US degrees. Or at least didn't until studying in the US became a thing and people complained they couldn't get jobs. Not sure how it is now..
[00:42:19] <athenian200> I haven't been able to get a job in 1.5 years here in the US.
[00:42:27] <athenian200> LOL.
[00:43:02] <athenian200> Well, I did get one working for Wal-Mart that one time, but they tried to make me work really fast.
[00:43:10] <Cybylt> I imagine a lot of people with doctorates move out of the US after dealing with our retardedly overpriced college system
[00:43:12] <athenian200> And I couldn't keep up, they fired me on the third day.
[00:43:22] <athenian200> Because I wasn't learning the job fast enough.
[00:43:32] <athenian200> It was stocking shelves or something.
[00:43:35] <aria> That's pretty shitty
[00:43:36] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:43:57] <Cybylt> That is
[00:44:08] <aria> Were you particularry slow?
[00:44:26] <athenian200> Not intentionally, I was getting faster.
[00:44:40] <athenian200> I just get a little disoriented easily.
[00:44:46] <athenian200> And also, some of the packages were heavy.
[00:44:51] <athenian200> I'm not that strong, etc.
[00:44:57] <aria> =/
[00:45:32] <athenian200> They said in the training video that they had to provide something or other with packages over a certain weight.
[00:45:41] <athenian200> But in the actual case, they didn't offer that.
[00:45:44] <athenian200> It was weird.
[00:46:20] <athenian200> Then again, I was working the night shift, that was all I could get.
[00:46:43] <aria> Doesn't the night shift pay better?
[00:46:48] <aria> And also allows you to sleep whenever?
[00:46:55] <aria> Well, wake up whenever at least
[00:47:11] <aria> If I could choose, I'd probably always pick the nightshift
[00:47:26] <athenian200> I didn't mind the time.
[00:48:00] <athenian200> It was the fact that they didn't seem as accomodating, cared less about rules, and stuff like that.
[00:48:04] <athenian200> On the night shift.
[00:48:11] <athenian200> Just wanted output at any cost.
[00:48:28] <athenian200> While on the day shift, they treated the employees a little better.
[00:48:37] <aria> I see. Fair enough
[00:48:53] <athenian200> I mean, really they don't treat employess that well anyway.
[00:48:58] <athenian200> They are Wal-Mart.
[00:48:58] <athenian200> LOL.
[00:50:37] <aria> Should've applied for being a computer sales person or technician there instead. Or at least that's what I would've done
[00:51:21] <athenian200> I'd have to have college for that.
[00:51:34] <athenian200> Actually, you have to have college for almost anything, these days.
[00:51:41] <athenian200> Or training/experience.
[00:51:50] <athenian200> And no one really wants to provide it...
[00:51:57] <aria> =/
[00:52:01] <athenian200> Sometimes you can get experience by volunteering.
[00:52:10] <athenian200> But you have to find the right place, and there's even competition for that.
[00:52:17] <Cybylt> Most of the time you can, people just don't want to do work without getting paid
[00:53:04] <athenian200> They will if the experience offers them a chance to get paid in the future.
[00:53:05] <athenian200> LOL.
[00:53:11] <Cybylt> Yup
[00:53:17] <athenian200> Which is most computer jobs.
[00:53:27] <athenian200> So it's hard to find volunteer work that allows you to use computer skills.
[00:53:46] <athenian200> Although I could probably find something for basic office skills.
[00:53:47] <Bronzdragon> 's true
[00:54:06] <aria> On my resume, I put a lot of school work and side projects I did during school, and no one seems to mind that a lot of it wasn't "proper" or paid experience.
[00:54:13] <aria> So maybe do that instead?
[00:54:26] <Cybylt> For computer skills you'd have better luck with internships at IT offices
[00:54:33] <aria> If you can't think of anything impressive: Do a hobby project. You got time. Spend 2 weeks making something cool
[00:55:05] <athenian200> Well, I am working on a few projects.
[00:55:24] <aria> Wanna tell us about them?
[00:56:23] <athenian200> Well, I'm actually working on learning PHP, CSS, and general website administration.
[00:56:28] <athenian200> I've learned a lot about them already.
[00:56:33] <aria> Also people really don't wanna hear "Linux", but they love Novel, Ubuntu and RHEL =P
[00:56:34] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[00:56:40] <athenian200> With the project I'm doing right now.
[00:56:48] <athenian200> Oh, I play around with Linux all the time.
[00:57:43] <athenian200> I have a Windows 8 machine, and another that dual boots Windows 7 and Linux.
[00:57:58] <aria> What flavor of Linux?
[00:58:09] <athenian200> Ubuntu right now.
[00:58:10] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[00:58:24] <athenian200> I was using Debian, but I had some issues.
[00:58:29] <athenian200> So I tried that out.
[00:58:32] <Bronzdragon> Oo-BOON-too? Is that...
[00:58:33] <Robobuntoo> that's my favorite OOPerating system
[00:58:36] <aria> Everything was 10 years old?
[00:58:37] <Robobuntoo> You can't was ten years!
[00:58:42] <athenian200> How did you know?
[00:58:43] <athenian200> LOL.
[00:58:47] <athenian200> It was.
[00:59:16] <aria> Well that is the main issue with Debian =P
[00:59:39] <athenian200> Yeah, I had a GTX 580 in my machine.
[00:59:51] <athenian200> And the nVidia driver that they had...
[01:00:04] <athenian200> Wasn't compatible with anything beyond the GTX 400 series.
[01:00:12] <athenian200> And this was while the GTX 600 was out.
[01:00:57] <athenian200> Ubuntu isn't my favorite in terms of software, but it has the best hardware compatibility.
[01:00:58] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[01:01:00] <aria> TBH. I'm a Arch user, so everything is in our repos a second after it's made, probably before git master branch is synced. So when using Bronz's install of Ubuntu I notice a lot of outdated packages
[01:01:01] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[01:01:41] <athenian200> It doesn't have to be up to the minute, but I'd like to get updates the same month.
[01:01:42] <athenian200> xD
[01:01:51] <aria> Always makes me feel real special =)
[01:02:49] <aria> I have to star using Windows in about a week, for work related things
[01:02:56] <aria> it's gonna be weird
[01:03:01] <athenian200> Windows 8?
[01:03:06] <aria> Probably
[01:03:09] <athenian200> I've been playing with that.
[01:03:11] <athenian200> So I can give you advice.
[01:03:15] <aria> yes. Unless 7 is a lot cheaper
[01:03:23] <aria> hopefully I won't have to deal with Windows itself other than installing drivers
[01:03:25] <athenian200> Windows 8 was artifically priced low.
[01:03:29] <athenian200> So people would buy it.
[01:03:40] <aria> That's gonna be a lot of fun to do manually...
[01:03:53] <athenian200> Windows does most of that automatically.
[01:03:57] <athenian200> Installing drivers and such.
[01:04:20] <aria> Oh? last time I used it I had to download binaries and such from websites
[01:04:47] <aria> Well that's good then
[01:04:58] <aria> They have a unified software repo too now, from what I understand
[01:05:08] <athenian200> How long ago did you use Windows?
[01:05:10] <Kulag> That must depend a lot on the hardware
[01:05:11] <athenian200> XP?
[01:05:22] <Kulag> 7 at least isn't really that good at finding drivers.
[01:05:32] <aria> Gee, I've used 7 a lot
[01:05:37] <aria> That couldn't find drivers for me
[01:05:40] <Kulag> Worse when it doesn't support your network devices natively.
[01:05:47] <athenian200> Windows 7 always found drivers for my stuff...
[01:06:01] <athenian200> But I wasn't using anything unusual.
[01:06:21] <athenian200> I'm sure if I had had to use a printer.
[01:06:25] <athenian200> It would have been a mess.
[01:06:46] <athenian200> Although that's a mess on any platform.
[01:07:56] <aria> Last time I had to print something, I plugged in the cable and a gnome pop up said it was fetching software. Few seconds later it worked perfectly
[01:08:01] <Kulag> In my experience, installing a printer on windows has a 50% chance of never succeeding, and the other half is hours of pain.
[01:08:08] <aria> Same thing with USB webcam
[01:08:27] <athenian200> Oh, I don't use webcams... I'm not really into that kind of thing.
[01:08:41] <aria> Actually-- I guess the last time I had to use a printer was with my neighbours Windows 7 computer
[01:08:42] <Kulag> Ubuntu: 50% worked as soon as the cable plugged in, the other half worked when I installed the manufacturer's drivers.
[01:08:44] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[01:08:50] <aria> that did-- require waiting for some progress bars..
[01:09:01] <aria> But it wasn't all that difficult. Just took a while
[01:09:02] <athenian200> Linux has gotten better.
[01:09:08] <athenian200> About hardware compatibility.
[01:09:16] <athenian200> I remember having to buy a serial port modem.
[01:09:32] <athenian200> Because all the PCI modems were "winmodems.'
[01:09:55] <athenian200> I thought that was pretty silly.
[01:10:30] <aria> Now only if GPU hardware support stops being ass.
[01:10:40] <athenian200> nVidia's works okay...
[01:10:43] <athenian200> I think.
[01:10:51] <athenian200> As long as your distribution updates the drivers.
[01:11:11] <athenian200> And doesn't balk at providing the "real" ones rather than the watered-down ones.
[01:11:11] <aria> Well--
[01:11:29] <aria> the real ones don't work on modern systems
[01:11:35] <aria> cause they're built for year old kernels
[01:11:51] <aria> But that's trivial to fix
[01:12:06] <Kulag> Yeah, running the beta ubuntus on nvidia tended to break badly.
[01:12:08] <Robobuntoo> ...
[01:12:21] <athenian200> Having the most updated kernal doesn't seem worth having crippled video support...
[01:12:46] <athenian200> I'd rather have a slightly outdated kernal and the most updated video drivers, if I'm doing anything graphical.
[01:12:50] <aria> The OSS drivers for Nvidia are pretty good
[01:12:55] <aria> unless you wanna do 3D stuff
[01:12:59] <athenian200> They were really slow for me.
[01:13:03] <Kulag> If it was the kernel I cared about I would have just compiled it myself.
[01:13:25] <aria> compiled the closed official Nvidia drivers, Kulag?
[01:13:34] <Kulag> No, the kernel. :V
[01:13:39] <aria> Oh
[01:13:43] <aria> But that takes ages! =P
[01:13:52] <Kulag> Not really
[01:14:07] <aria> Oh dude, I should start doing that when I get my 8 core next week..
[01:14:19] <athenian200> LOL.
[01:14:37] <Kulag> It's only about 5 minutes or so with an old i7 730
[01:14:40] <athenian200> I used to compile kernals on K6-2 machines.
[01:14:46] <athenian200> And go out to lunch or something.
[01:14:48] <athenian200> xD
[01:14:56] <aria> 5 minutes!?
[01:15:11] <aria> What the hell kind of kernels are you building? Are you leaving our support for anything not on your system?
[01:15:19] <Kulag> Pretty much
[01:15:24] <athenian200> Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
[01:15:29] <Kulag> Not much hardware to support on virtualbox
[01:15:46] <aria> Well you still want all the filesystems and USB devices
[01:15:51] <athenian200> Having all that extra junk weights the kernal down.
[01:15:58] <Kulag> ext2 and XFS
[01:16:09] <athenian200> Well, all the standard file systems... there are some weird ones you can leave out.
[01:16:21] <aria> Some of the weird ones are really good
[01:16:22] <athenian200> But USB support, yeah.
[01:16:23] <Kulag> I think I left NTFS and FAT in as well
[01:16:27] <aria> zfs and butterfs for example
[01:16:37] <athenian200> Oh, I don't mean those.
[01:16:38] <Kulag> zfs isn't even in the kernel.
[01:16:57] <aria> ...that may be true
[01:17:03] <aria> FreeBSD does ZFS
[01:17:18] <yoshokatana> when I see something like this
[01:17:18] <yoshokatana> http://www.cyberglovesystems.com
[01:17:20] <athenian200> I mean, HPFS and and Apple's HFS.
[01:17:23] <yoshokatana> I am of two minds
[01:17:27] <athenian200> Stuff you'll almost never see.
[01:17:28] <Kulag> So you're running Arch on a fBSD kernel now, are you? :P
[01:17:29] <yoshokatana> 1. THAT IS SO FUCKING AWESOME
[01:17:30] <athenian200> On a PC.
[01:17:30] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[01:17:40] <yoshokatana> 2. That's so basic compared to what I want
[01:18:28] <aria> I'm not using zfs, I was just saying 'tis not bad.
[01:18:31] <aria> I'm using ext4
[01:19:09] <athenian200> What about xfs?
[01:19:13] <athenian200> I've used that a few times.
[01:19:18] <athenian200> It seems pretty good.
[01:19:39] <aria> yoshokatana: What do you have in mind?
[01:19:46] <aria> How is it too simple?
[01:19:50] <yoshokatana> full tactile sensation
[01:19:58] <yoshokatana> FULL TACTILE SENSATION
[01:20:30] <yoshokatana> this setup is basically only hands, and even then it's pretty low-res
[01:20:32] <athenian200> Is that what you intend to use to control the Caps Lock key?
[01:20:46] <aria> If that thing becomes mainstream, I'll totally support it in my game. Cause that shit is pretty cool
[01:20:47] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[01:20:53] <yoshokatana> yeah
[01:21:27] <yoshokatana> I'm thinking it needs piezoelectric motors for fine sensing, and even then I'm not sure how fine-grained you can get
[01:21:51] <aria> Why is the 3D graphics he's seeing so badly made?
[01:21:54] <yoshokatana> maybe an electroconvulsive gel? lemme do some research, brb
[01:22:04] <aria> Just hack Forza or something to work with this for the sake of the demo
[01:24:13] <aria> Huh
[01:24:22] <aria> I just got Crysis 3 and Tomb Raider for free
[01:24:34] <aria> Thank you AMD, I guess
[01:24:37] <Bronzdragon> =P
[01:24:39] <Bronzdragon> Yaaay
[01:24:40] <aria> I mean, it's welcome, but I don't know why
[01:25:03] <athenian200> AMD?
[01:25:11] <aria> Yup
[01:25:30] <athenian200> You mean those third-rate CPU makers that make power-hungry CPUs that aren't as good as i7s?
[01:25:31] <athenian200> xD
[01:25:51] <athenian200> They were great a decade ago.
[01:26:00] <athenian200> With the Athlon XP.
[01:26:08] <aria> Yes, them
[01:26:08] <athenian200> But they're dead in the water now...
[01:26:26] <athenian200> What have they done that's praiseworthy?
[01:27:04] <athenian200> Hehe.
[01:27:14] <aria> They made a $200 CPU that benchmarks better than a $400 i5
[01:27:46] <athenian200> If you're paying $400 for an i5, you're not shopping in the right places.
[01:28:29] <aria> Going by Amazon pricing, Newegg refuses my buisness.
[01:28:45] <athenian200> Amazon's prices are the worst.
[01:28:47] <Bronzdragon> Newegg's a jerk.
[01:29:20] <athenian200> There's this guy named Kyle Bennett out there spreading anti-Newegg propaganda, but he's just in bed with Amazon.
[01:29:26] <aria> They're amazing compared to what I'm used with =P
[01:29:26] <athenian200> Don't listen to him.
[01:30:02] <athenian200> You're probably not used to shopping on line...
[01:30:25] <athenian200> But I see i5s going for around $200-$250 or so.
[01:31:07] <athenian200> I've never seen a markup that high before.
[01:31:13] <athenian200> Actually.
[01:31:20] <athenian200> $400 is crazy.
[01:31:22] <aria> I'll check what the actual prices are like
[01:32:01] <Bronzdragon> The reason he says they're "cheap" even at $400 dollar is because computer part prices in Norway are insanely high
[01:32:10] <Bronzdragon> Which is why he can't get from Newegg.
[01:32:15] <Cybylt> Apple is selling something under $500? What lies are these?
[01:32:31] <Bronzdragon> (Even though he has a person who will take it in 'Murica)
[01:32:43] <Bronzdragon> Cybylt, is it earbuds?
[01:32:47] <aria> http://www.amazon.com
[01:32:52] <aria> i7 2600k is 400 bucks
[01:33:02] <aria> i5 2500k is 350 bucks http://www.amazon.com
[01:33:25] <athenian200> That's still quite a markup... their prices aren't good.
[01:33:53] <Cybylt> I'm pretty sure they will sell earbuds for $99.99
[01:33:59] <athenian200> It might actually be cheaper for someone to ship you one after buying it elsewhere.
[01:33:59] <Kulag> 2xxx is previous gen, I believe.
[01:34:38] <athenian200> Actually, yeah.
[01:34:42] <athenian200> http://www.amazon.com
[01:34:46] <athenian200> What's the price on this?
[01:34:55] <athenian200> Even on Amazon, it's like $210.
[01:35:08] <athenian200> For me.
[01:35:34] <Bronzdragon> That amazon should price it the same for everyone
[01:35:41] <Bronzdragon> We can't use /that/ amazon, however
[01:35:49] <Bronzdragon> I have to use amazon.de, or amazon.co.uk.
[01:35:59] <Bronzdragon> Which are basically different sites
[01:36:03] <aria> Sure, there are cheap i5's. The $200 AMD one benchmarked better than all the i5s though, so I listed the most expensive one
[01:36:17] <Bronzdragon> In this case, though, Aria's ordering from amazon.com, because he has a guy in the 'MURICA's
[01:36:27] <Kulag> The question is which benchmark.
[01:36:30] <aria> No, Amazon.com works here
[01:36:37] <Bronzdragon> Not for computer parts thoguh
[01:36:42] <aria> but you have to pay extra tax
[01:36:43] <Kulag> There's a lot of stuff that's still fairly poorly threaded.
[01:36:45] <athenian200> Actually, the best i7 processor is the 3770k.
[01:36:52] <athenian200> Which is $310 on Amazon.
[01:36:55] <Bronzdragon> Amazon does not ship electronics.
[01:36:57] <athenian200> The 2600k is overpriced.
[01:37:06] <athenian200> By about $100.
[01:37:18] <athenian200> Due to low stock and people with motherboards they don't want to flash BIOSes on.
[01:37:29] <aria> Kulag: That would work in the favor of the intels
[01:37:50] <aria> The intels have the stronger cores
[01:38:33] <Kulag> Last I looked the only place AMD was significantly ahead was x264 benchmarks
[01:38:49] <aria> And TBH, I don't know, it was a website with a giant list of every recent CPU and how they performed in various benchmarks, sorted by performance in one of them
[01:39:09] <aria> Eh it wasn't significant. It was on par with the Xeons
[01:39:14] <aria> but a lot cheaper than the Xeons
[01:39:26] <athenian200> Xeons are basically i7s and i5s.
[01:39:29] <Bronzdragon> Regardless, to say AMD does not 'hang' with the big guys is oversimplyfying.
[01:39:33] <athenian200> Just overpriced server verions.
[01:39:58] <Kulag> Oversimplifying, yes
[01:41:02] <athenian200> I would say the trade-offs are not worth it, since you're getting a much hotter and power-hungrier processor for only a bit more performance.
[01:41:14] <athenian200> And the cooling and electric costs will matter eventually.
[01:42:00] <athenian200> But that's just me.
[01:42:04] <aria> Well--
[01:42:15] <aria> Electricity is cheap here. CPUs are not
[01:42:25] <Kulag> Also
[01:42:30] <Kulag> Norway and cooling.
[01:42:35] <aria> Also, the increase in performance for me is actually rather significant
[01:42:44] <aria> Because of my specific usecase
[01:42:49] <athenian200> Which AMD processor are you getting?
[01:43:00] <aria> Whatever the most expensive one is called
[01:43:05] <aria> Most expensive FX one**
[01:43:19] <athenian200> FX 8350?
[01:43:23] <aria> Yup
[01:43:27] <Bronzdragon> I should note he's buying one for CPU power, not for gaming power.
[01:43:38] <Bronzdragon> (Just in case you were confused)
[01:43:39] <athenian200> That's around $200 for me.
[01:43:45] <athenian200> As well.
[01:43:46] <aria> Yeah I got it for 200
[01:43:46] <aria> like 190
[01:43:49] <athenian200> Maybe $20 under.
[01:44:11] <athenian200> But here, it's like... within $100 of an i7.
[01:44:15] <athenian200> Or less.
[01:44:21] <athenian200> Depending on what sales you get.
[01:44:37] <athenian200> AMD is selling it to you guys at closer to our price.
[01:44:45] <athenian200> While Intel is doubling it for you.
[01:44:49] <aria> I bought it at your price--
[01:44:57] <aria> Same CPU here is around 2500 NOK
[01:45:01] <aria> convert that if you will
[01:45:13] <athenian200> Wait, you don't use the Euro?
[01:45:16] <aria> Top of the line i7's going at 3700-ish
[01:45:20] <aria> Nope
[01:45:37] <athenian200> Are you in the EU?
[01:45:42] <aria> Hah!
[01:45:45] <aria> What are we, poor?
[01:45:48] <aria> Nah
[01:46:00] <athenian200> LOL. I actually learned something new today.
[01:46:56] <Bronzdragon> it's pretty much Norway, Switzerland and the UK.
[01:47:00] <Bronzdragon> (Ireland is in)
[01:47:11] <aria> Why did you mention Ireland seperate?
[01:47:16] <Kulag> IIRC Sweden still uses SEK as well.
[01:47:23] <aria> They do
[01:47:28] <aria> But they're still in the EU
[01:47:32] <athenian200> Seems like Northern Europe is more reluctant.
[01:47:34] <aria> Wait
[01:47:35] <aria> maybe not
[01:47:44] <aria> But they use SEK anyway
[01:47:52] <Bronzdragon> Well, some European countries use their locan currency
[01:47:56] <aria> Switching to EUR would hurt the economy
[01:48:01] <Bronzdragon> See, being in the EU and using the Euro is not the same thing.
[01:48:02] <athenian200> They all did back in the day.
[01:48:17] <athenian200> Yeah, that's why I asked the questions separately.
[01:48:25] <athenian200> I knew there were some countries that were in the EU.
[01:48:29] <athenian200> But didn't use Euro.
[01:48:35] <athenian200> Just didn't know which ones.
[01:48:46] <aria> Norway is doing really well
[01:48:57] <athenian200> Except for having overprices computer parts.
[01:48:58] <athenian200> xD
[01:49:07] <aria> Except for that =P
[01:49:22] <athenian200> If Intel were headquartered there, though.
[01:49:25] <Kulag> At least you aren't paying Brazilian prices. :D
[01:49:28] <athenian200> Probably wouldn't be an issue.
[01:49:43] <athenian200> Do people in Brazil have money to spare on computers?
[01:49:56] <athenian200> I thought South America was kind of poor...
[01:50:11] <aria> They aren't /that/ poor
[01:50:33] <athenian200> I mean, I figured they had computers.
[01:50:38] <athenian200> I just figured they had 5 year old ones.
[01:50:49] <athenian200> Or something.
[01:51:23] <Kulag> In some parts of the country, sure.
[01:52:01] <aria> People living in big cities in Brazil have the buying power to get computers whenever
[01:52:15] <athenian200> I mean in the US... there are places where Satelite Internet is all you can get, and people have junk computers.
[01:52:18] <athenian200> Very rural areas.
[01:52:34] <aria> Brazil is more dense though
[01:52:48] <aria> The US is unique in having a lot of basically empty space
[01:52:53] <Kulag> The more fun combination is rural internet with modern computers.
[01:53:00] <aria> I guess not unique to the world, but you know what I mean
[01:53:22] <athenian200> Oh yeah, that would be a messy combination.
[01:53:45] <athenian200> And yeah, one thing I dislike about living in the US is how far apart everything is.
[01:54:08] <athenian200> And how you basically have to have your own car to get anywhere affordably/reliably unless you live on the East Coast.
[01:54:21] <athenian200> Unless someone drives you around.
[01:54:47] <athenian200> Otherwise, you're limited to the confines of one city and maybe a few suburbs.
[01:54:53] <athenian200> Depending on how much they've invested.
[01:55:44] <athenian200> I kind of wish the expansion westward had been slower.
[01:55:55] <athenian200> And we'd taken more time to build things up.
[01:56:01] <athenian200> Not leaving all the empty space.
[01:56:17] <Bronzdragon> 02:55 < Bronzmaster> Can't they take his brain out
[01:56:17] <Bronzdragon> 02:55 < Bronzdragon> no, that kills people
[01:56:27] <athenian200> LOL.
[01:56:32] <Bronzdragon> (I am not bronzmaster)
[01:56:47] <athenian200> So there are two Bronzes?
[01:57:00] <athenian200> Neat.
[01:57:07] <Bronzdragon> Indeed, I can clone myself.
[01:57:18] <athenian200> LOL.
[01:57:22] <aria> Bronzdragon: is 2M tall. He might as well be two people
[01:57:37] <Bronzdragon> *1.98 meters.
[01:57:58] <Bronzdragon> (6'6")
[01:58:09] <athenian200> Why do they measure the height in meters instead of centimeters or decimeters?
[01:58:16] <athenian200> Meters seems a little...
[01:58:25] <athenian200> Like an oversized unit.
[01:58:28] <athenian200> For the application.
[01:58:47] <athenian200> Then again, not like conversion is difficult.
[01:58:49] <Bronzdragon> Because the only difference is the place of the comma.
[01:59:00] <Bronzdragon> And meters is a shorter word.
[01:59:20] <Kulag> Japanese listings always show cm
[01:59:22] <aria> We never use decimeters for anything
[01:59:24] <athenian200> So, I could also say 198 centimeters and it would be the same thing.
[01:59:32] <aria> But we do height in CM
[01:59:34] <aria> Well
[01:59:47] <aria> We say 1:98
[01:59:50] <Bronzdragon> Yes, athenian200.
[01:59:53] <aria> But we'd write 198
[02:00:04] <aria> Except not that it's so close to 2M, saying 2M is easier
[02:00:53] <athenian200> Yeah, I guess it is pretty close.
[02:01:17] <aria> except now*
[02:01:25] <athenian200> Even 2 meters doesn't quite reach 6'7".
[02:01:44] <athenian200> So it's still within range without being a significantly different height.
[02:02:13] <Bronzdragon> An inch is not significant, I'd say
[02:02:29] <Bronzdragon> 2 inches starts reaching the "Oh, you're shorter" or "Oh, you're taller".
[02:02:36] <aria> An inch is 2.5cm. I'd say that is significant
[02:02:39] <Bronzdragon> When I'm wearing shoes, I'm 2 meter tall.
[02:02:56] <athenian200> Yeah, inches aren't very precise.
[02:02:57] <Bronzdragon> Am I "significantly taller" when I wear shoes?
[02:03:08] <athenian200> I've tried to get people using centimeters and kilometers here.
[02:03:19] <athenian200> It's not taking very well, only scientists and the military seem interested.
[02:03:20] <athenian200> xD
[02:04:10] <Bronzdragon> Basically, anyone who needs to ACUTALLY use it.
[02:04:29] <athenian200> Pretty much.
[02:04:40] <athenian200> The rest of them, well...
[02:05:51] <Bronzdragon> Y'know what? Try working on having a government that doesn't implode on itself.
[02:06:13] <athenian200> We have a government?
[02:06:28] <athenian200> I thought we were just a plutocracy run by corporate interests run amuck.
[02:06:38] <athenian200> With a facade of democracy.
[02:07:13] <athenian200> But seriously, with people like this...
[02:07:15] <athenian200> http://www.freedom2measure.org
[02:07:24] <athenian200> It's not hard to see why progress and reform are difficult.
[02:07:42] <athenian200> Unfortunately, that site is not a joke.
[02:08:09] <athenian200> I have to argue with people like that all the time.
[02:08:18] <athenian200> When I talk about the metric system.
[02:09:16] <Bronzdragon> ... this website is just straight up wrong though.
[02:09:34] <athenian200> Of course they are.
[02:09:53] <athenian200> But people like that are really closed-minded.
[02:13:32] <aria> I'll look at that site a bit. Currently Star Trekking
[02:13:45] <athenian200> Star Trek is great.
[02:13:47] <athenian200> LOL.
[02:13:58] <athenian200> I've spent a lot of time watching that myself.
[02:14:17] <Bronzdragon> Man, Data is being a dick in this one.
[02:17:49] <Bronzdragon> "In fact, under SI, water freezes at 273.16 K."
[02:17:59] <Bronzdragon> That's not how SI works.
[02:18:25] <athenian200> I don't think these people know how anything works.
[02:18:57] <Bronzdragon> Apperantly, the metric system is sexist.
[02:19:06] <athenian200> That one made me laugh.
[02:19:26] <athenian200> They're really grasping at straws.
[02:19:38] <yoshokatana> "In 2011, the ACT successfully trained an artificial neural network to steer attitude and positions of the three MIT SHERES on board the ISS."
[02:20:14] <yoshokatana> an artificial neural network is being trained to steer SATELITES
[02:20:20] <yoshokatana> ROBOTS
[02:20:21] <yoshokatana> IN
[02:20:22] <athenian200> That sounds neat.
[02:20:22] <yoshokatana> SPACE
[02:20:31] <Bronzdragon> I like Space.
[02:20:33] <athenian200> That is where robots should be.
[02:20:35] <yoshokatana> mhmm
[02:20:38] <athenian200> And humans.
[02:20:39] <athenian200> LOL.
[02:20:46] <athenian200> Everything is better in space.
[02:22:31] <yoshokatana> genetic algorithms are getting better and better
[02:22:49] <Bronzdragon> Genetic algorithms... IN SPAAAAAACE
[02:23:00] <athenian200> Exactly, you're getting it now.
[02:27:04] <Bronzdragon> Y'know what? This article mentions laws in the EU regarding metric, right?
[02:27:09] <Bronzdragon> And they name the UK.
[02:27:15] <Bronzdragon> The UK is not member of the EU.
[02:27:22] <Bronzdragon> The EU has litterally 0 power there.
[02:28:40] <athenian200> Yeah, so that's false.
[02:28:48] <athenian200> It seems the UK just chose it on their own.
[02:29:01] <athenian200> Actually, so did a lot of Asian countries.
[02:29:25] <athenian200> It's not like the EU imposed it, everyone agreed to accept it.
[02:29:29] <athenian200> Because it was easier.
[02:29:41] <athenian200> Except us, because we're nuts over here.
[02:29:45] <athenian200> LOL.
[02:33:55] <athenian200> Oh, and apparently Liberia and Burma are moving to adopt the Metric system too...
[02:34:02] <athenian200> So then we'll be it.
[02:34:04] <athenian200> xD
[02:40:32] <aria> What do they use now?
[02:40:45] <athenian200> I know one of them uses Imperial.
[02:40:52] <athenian200> I'm not sure what the other uses.
[02:41:21] <aria> Which one uses Imperaial?
[02:41:58] <athenian200> Well, actually... it looks like both Liberia and Burma do.
[02:42:10] <athenian200> So apparently there aren't a lot of other systems.
[02:42:10] <Bronzdragon> =O
[02:42:14] <athenian200> Just those two.
[02:42:27] <Bronzdragon> Imperial means "all other ones".
[02:43:48] <athenian200> It does?
[02:43:50] <athenian200> Huh.
[02:44:24] <athenian200> That makes it even more confusing.
[02:45:13] <Bronzdragon> Well...
[02:45:15] <athenian200> Well, apparently Liberia, at least, was reported using square miles and acres.
[02:45:16] <Bronzdragon> yeah.
[02:45:27] <Bronzdragon> Well, we also use Acres.
[02:45:31] <athenian200> So they use the units you would normally think of.
[02:45:47] <athenian200> Oh, and they use feet.
[02:45:49] <athenian200> Apparently.
[02:45:52] <Bronzdragon> The problem is that before metric, each town and village had their own measurements
[02:46:03] <athenian200> So Liberia actually uses THAT Imperial system.
[02:46:07] <Bronzdragon> And sure, they're called "feet" but they're like, half an inch off.
[02:46:25] <Bronzdragon> It's... complicated
[02:46:40] <athenian200> Yeah, sounds like it wasn't standardized.
[02:46:48] <athenian200> I don't know why the US standardized on the old forms.
[02:47:04] <athenian200> But it seems to have been a temporary stopgap that became permanent.
[02:49:07] <athenian200> It seems that Burma, though... didn't even use units with those names.
[02:49:13] <athenian200> It used some weird traditional system.
[02:49:17] <athenian200> That was completely unrelated.
[02:49:46] <Bronzdragon> Sounds fun.
[02:51:42] <athenian200> There's one other standard in the US that I've never liked, though...
[02:51:46] <athenian200> The way we write dates.
[02:52:00] <athenian200> We do MM-DD-YYYY.
[02:52:21] <athenian200> Instead of the British way, DD-MM-YYYY, or ISO format, YYYY-MM-DD
[02:52:27] <athenian200> Both of which are more logical.
[02:52:52] <Bronzdragon> Yup.
[02:52:54] <athenian200> I would vouch for standardizing on the ISO format, though...
[02:53:17] <athenian200> Because at this point, we wouldn't know January 2nd from February 1st thanks to the ambiguity otherwise.
[02:53:17] <yoshokatana> ^
[02:53:17] <Bronzdragon> Also, universal time zone.
[02:53:23] <Bronzdragon> Every time is at the same time.
[02:53:30] <athenian200> Yes, I would like that.
[02:53:42] <athenian200> Everyone else says it wouldn't work because of the sun and body clocks.
[02:53:52] <athenian200> But I don't see why we couldn't still have activity based on the sun.
[02:53:53] <Bronzdragon> That's dumb
[02:54:03] <athenian200> And just have the times be what they are.
[02:54:05] <Bronzdragon> "I don't understand numbers because my body says no to 15!"
[02:54:18] <athenian200> LOL.
[02:54:32] <athenian200> There really isn't a good reason for time to be based on the sun.
[02:54:37] <athenian200> In this day and age.
[02:54:56] <Bronzdragon> Besides it being the main way we can monitor passage, you mean?
[02:55:28] <athenian200> It's not as reliable as an atomic clock.
[02:56:08] <athenian200> It's always been inaccurate to a degree.
[02:56:32] <Bronzdragon> But it is the easiest way to monitor time.
[02:56:54] <athenian200> Not when you're talking to people across time zones.
[02:57:03] <athenian200> We constantly make jokes about people being in the future or past.
[02:57:44] <athenian200> It's hard to schedule something that way.
[02:58:01] <athenian200> Or know what point in time the person is referring to, without doing a lot of conversion back and forth.
[02:58:22] <athenian200> Sometimes it's more important to know the exact point in time, than where the sun is relative to them at that point.
[02:58:33] <Bronzdragon> It wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't for daylight saving times.
[02:58:42] <athenian200> Oh, that's the worst one.
[02:58:59] <athenian200> They try to compensate for it getting dark earlier in the winter.
[02:59:08] <athenian200> By moving all the time zones over an hour.
[02:59:14] <athenian200> Which is really dumb, IMO.
[02:59:28] <athenian200> Why couldn't everything just open an hour earlier?
[02:59:35] <athenian200> Having to reset all my clocks is a pain.
[02:59:54] <athenian200> Sometimes I don't even bother resetting my watch and just subtract an hour.
[02:59:56] <athenian200> LOL.
[03:00:05] <athenian200> Because I can never remember how to set my watch.
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[03:14:22] <aria> So Star Trek uses KM
[03:14:47] <athenian200> That makes sense.
[03:14:57] <athenian200> It is in the future, so everyone would have adopted Metric by then.
[03:14:59] <athenian200> Ideally.
[03:14:59] <athenian200> xD
[03:15:55] <aria> Isn't the Enterprise French? Since Picard went to the academy in Paris..
[03:16:03] <athenian200> It might be.
[03:16:23] <Bronzdragon> Nup
[03:16:34] <Bronzdragon> The Enterprise was constructed in 'MURICA
[03:16:40] <aria> Based on what?
[03:16:40] <Bronzdragon> Though America doesn't exist anymore
[03:16:44] <aria> Do they mention that?
[03:16:50] <Bronzdragon> or really, any countries
[03:16:57] <Bronzdragon> Yes, star Trek technical manual
[03:17:04] <aria> Huh
[03:17:06] <aria> Alright
[03:17:10] <Bronzdragon> They explain a bunch of how the technology is supposed to work and stuff
[03:17:14] <Bronzdragon> And that's all canon
[03:17:14] <athenian200> They're like Global government, right?
[03:17:22] <Bronzdragon> Yes.
[03:17:34] <aria> I mean, they go out of their way to establish that Picard studied in France, so it's safe to assume no one else is french
[03:17:49] <aria> Thoght it might as well be a captial vs non-captical thing
[03:17:55] <Bronzdragon> See, they establish that Picard is nationalistic
[03:18:03] <Bronzdragon> Moreso than other crewmembers
[03:18:09] <Bronzdragon> But enough of that, I'm tired
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[03:18:14] <Bronzdragon> Good night, athenian200.
[03:18:18] <Bronzdragon> Good night, MrBRAD.
[03:18:23] <Bronzdragon> (bai Aria~!)
[03:18:26] <aria> Right, good night folks
[03:18:27] <MrBRAD> Good morning
[03:18:33] <MrBRAD> oh shit, it's afternoon
[03:18:34] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
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[03:19:11] <athenian200> Good night... oh, too late.
[03:19:12] <athenian200> LOL.
[03:19:29] <aria> I'm still here
[03:19:33] <aria> Night then
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[08:24:52] <Linkigi> oh hi nine
[08:27:16] SonicDH-away is now known as SonicDH
[08:27:22] <SonicDH> I live.
[08:29:48] <Linkigi> you do
[08:30:00] <Linkigi> although I haven't seen that screen name in a while
[08:50:31] <nine> Oh shit, Sonic?
[08:50:32] <nine> HERE?
[08:50:32] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[08:50:38] <nine> What has happened?!
[08:50:44] <nine> Is the world ending?
[08:50:52] <nine> Am I dead and dragged to heaven?
[08:52:53] <nine> Also, hi Linkigi.
[08:52:56] <nine> What the hell is going on?
[08:53:03] <nine> You're rarely here as well.
[08:55:15] <nine> Hurray, episode 22!
[09:02:29] <Linkigi> hooray
[09:02:35] <Linkigi> episode of what?
[09:28:36] <Linkigi> huh, subbers aren't on today
[09:28:56] <Linkigi> nobody's subbed Jojo's Bizarre Adventure yet, which is actually relatively rare
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[09:38:52] <SonicDH> huh
[09:40:48] <nine> Shinsekai Yori.
[09:40:56] <nine> It's a 2-cour show.
[09:41:20] <Linkigi> mm
[09:41:22] <nine> And what the hell are you smoking? A bunch of groups are subbing JoJo's.
[09:41:37] <Linkigi> yeah, 21 came out this morning
[09:41:57] <Linkigi> the groups are usually crazy enough that we actually get same-day subs occasionally
[09:42:15] <nine> They haven't subbed that ep yet though.
[09:42:22] <nine> They're not that fast.
[09:42:37] <Linkigi> I've seen them be that fast before, just rarely
[09:43:02] <nine> ...
[09:43:15] <nine> You used rare in two opposite instances.
[09:43:24] <nine> Is it rare that they're not that fast or are that fast?
[09:44:05] <nine> Subs'll prolly be out later today either way.
[09:44:18] <Linkigi> probably
[09:45:22] <nine> I can't wait for Death Billiards btw.
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[09:45:46] <nine> Studio Madhouse's work for the Young Animator Project.
[09:46:00] <Linkigi|Phone> Woo, phone still works
[09:47:36] <Linkigi|Phone> Death billiards?
[09:47:41] <Linkigi|Phone> Sounds hilarious
[09:47:43] <nine> Yes.
[09:47:46] <nine> Death Billiards.
[09:47:55] <nine> Doesn't it sound amazing?
[09:48:08] <Linkigi|Phone> Yes.
[09:49:34] <nine> So you crashed your PC I assume
[09:49:47] <Linkigi|Phone> Nope
[09:49:55] <Linkigi|Phone> Just across the room
[09:50:13] <Linkigi|Phone> I'm lazy
[09:51:19] <nine> :¬|
[09:51:41] <nine> Hm, Saint Oniisan with a date attached.
[09:51:54] <nine> Sadly it'll take a year for movies to come out.
[09:52:19] <Linkigi|Phone> Saint oniisan?
[09:53:43] <nine> Yes.
[09:53:58] <nine> There's a movie planned.
[09:54:10] <nine> And there's now a date attached.
[09:54:47] <nine> Say, do you follow Rym's tumblr?
[09:55:05] <Linkigi|Phone> No
[09:55:17] <Linkigi|Phone> I don't read Tumblr atm
[09:55:19] <nine> http://geeknightsrym.tumblr.com
[09:55:32] <nine> Do you agree with me that using Spotify for embeds is fucking retarded?
[09:55:33] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[09:55:35] <nine> Shit don't work!
[09:55:37] <Robobuntoo> ...
[09:55:52] <Linkigi|Phone> Nice
[09:56:01] <Linkigi|Phone> Yes
[09:56:07] <SonicDH> Da fuq?
[09:56:39] <Linkigi> I see robobuntoo has a new mod, too
[09:56:59] <Apsup> Robobuntoo has becmoe mombuntoo.
[09:57:10] <Apsup> Hates all our fucking swearing.
[09:57:11] <Robobuntoo> ...
[09:57:19] <nine> You're not my real mom, Robobuntoo!
[09:57:48] <Linkigi> Anyways, I'ma watch some Initial D
[09:57:49] <nine> SonicDH: Now three words!
[09:58:01] <nine> I'mma flip a coin whether to watch esports or animu.
[10:00:54] <SonicDH> Oh, hush you.
[10:01:34] <Apsup> All this anime talk of your remided me that I didn't yet watch this weeks Bakuman.
[10:02:51] <nine> Bah-kuman.
[10:14:42] <Linkigi|Phone> All of you should be watching Initial D, screw other shows
[10:15:02] <nine> You mean JoJo's?
[10:16:06] <Linkigi|Phone> That too
[10:16:52] <Apsup> I watched half of season of the original Initial D and stopped.
[11:00:04] <nine> D:
[11:00:15] <nine> Ankle-deep shit.
[11:00:49] <nine> I should make sure not to eat during the next episodes of Shinksekai.
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[12:21:51] <Bronzdragon> 'ello people
[12:23:25] <Apsup> Yo Bro...nzedragon.
[12:23:43] <Bronzdragon> Did you just type Bronzdragon with an e?
[12:23:53] <Bronzdragon> And more disconcertingly, with an ellipses?
[12:24:36] <Apsup> What e I don't see any e. There is no proof of the e, this e never happened.
[12:25:09] <Bronzdragon> I have proof of Apsup being in possesion of weapons of mass-e-ifiication.
[12:25:19] <Bronzdragon> I shall invade his privacy in sears of these E's.
[12:25:28] <Bronzdragon> *search, shush
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[12:42:53] <Bronzdragon> Well then!
[12:43:00] <nine> !!
[12:43:53] <Bronzdragon> hey nine.
[12:44:25] <nine> Hi.
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[12:50:05] <Bronzdragon> 'ello Zappy
[12:50:18] <Zappy> hey
[16:52:51] <nine> .exit
[16:53:01] <nine> Fucken' spess.
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[18:26:45] <Bronzdragon> Hai again
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[18:38:25] <Bronzdragon> Hello Snickety-Snake.
[18:38:36] <Snickety-Snake> Howdy
[18:39:08] <aria> RIT?
[18:39:26] <aria> So it's not ruffas..
[18:39:41] <Snickety-Snake> Yup, I'm a freshman in IT.
[18:40:15] <aria> What's your name on the forums?
[18:40:19] <Bronzdragon> And you listen to /Geeknights/?
[18:40:24] <Bronzdragon> You're doing IT wrong, my lad.
[18:40:36] <aria> Oh
[18:40:38] <aria> actually
[18:40:48] <aria> I've seen him on the forums before
[18:41:07] <Snickety-Snake> I'm also Snickety-Snake on the forums. I don't post there much.
[18:41:16] <aria> Just didn't recognize your name. My bad. I did recognize your avatar however
[18:41:59] <Bronzdragon> So you thought you'd try posting to the IRC instead?
[18:42:04] <Bronzdragon> Good choice, sir.
[18:42:42] <aria> Listening to Geeknights is valuable information for an IT student. It demonstrates the dangers of being an old man in IT!
[18:43:16] <Snickety-Snake> I felt like I'd make an effort to start communicating more with the forum in general. I'll probably be more active on the forum as well.
[18:44:19] <Bronzdragon> 'ello then!
[18:44:47] <aria> Please don't distract the dragon. I have to try very hard to make him work.
[18:45:02] <Bronzdragon> Oeh, shy golds!
[18:45:07] <Snickety-Snake> True, but so far I'm finding IT to be very much to my liking. We'll see how it holds up over the next few (and possibly next many) years.
[18:45:07] <Bronzdragon> *shiny
[18:45:25] <Snickety-Snake> Golds, eh?
[18:46:01] <Bronzdragon> It's what dragons crave.
[18:46:13] <Snickety-Snake> Naturally.
[18:46:16] <Bronzdragon> What they hide in their cave.
[18:49:02] <Bronzdragon> And what knights so brave try to deprave the dragon. They misbehave.
[18:49:25] <aria> http://www.kickstarter.com
[18:56:05] <Snickety-Snake> Needs more Wild Wild West. Some guns, a larger frame, and steam power would do wonders for their design.
[18:56:32] <Bronzdragon> Hmm, yeah
[18:57:05] <Bronzdragon> Goddamnit, me, stop misspelling length
[19:11:17] <Bronzdragon> Aww, I thought I was done.
[19:11:30] <Bronzdragon> But it seems I made some sort of error. =/
[19:19:08] <Bronzdragon> >_>
[19:19:18] <Bronzdragon> I'm not a very clever man.
[19:21:02] <Snickety-Snake> What's the damage?
[19:21:11] <Bronzdragon> No damage except for lost time
[19:21:20] <Bronzdragon> I didn't realize I made a secondary variable
[19:21:28] <Bronzdragon> And then wondered why the original wasn't updating.
[20:12:53] <Apsup> What's with all these new non-forum active people on the irc channel? Where do they come from?
[20:20:12] <Bronzdragon> Magic, I say
[20:25:34] <Bronzdragon> Although I suppose you could try asking the new blood
[20:25:40] <Bronzdragon> They'd be most informed on the subject.
[20:29:17] <Snickety-Snake> I just saw the IRC thread and decided I'd see what's up.
[20:29:33] <Bronzdragon> So I am to blame!
[20:29:35] <Bronzdragon> Yay.
[20:30:35] <Snickety-Snake> Pretty much
[20:32:55] <aria> Usually it's not just Bronz talking to himself..
[20:33:20] <aria> Sometimes Nine also talks to himself.
[20:34:06] <Bronzdragon> Hey, I like talking to my self!
[20:34:15] <Bronzdragon> I can talk to myself, can't I Robobuntoo?
[20:34:25] <Bronzdragon> Wait, right, his trigger changed...
[20:34:40] <Bronzdragon> uhm... Can I talk 10 times to myself, Robobuntoo?
[20:34:41] <Robobuntoo> You can't talk ten times!
[20:34:45] <Bronzdragon> =(
[20:35:14] <aria> Good job =3
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[20:44:37] <Bronzdragon> 'ello spacejam.
[20:44:42] <spacejam> i
[20:44:44] <spacejam> 'i
[20:49:24] <Bronzdragon> 'i?
[20:52:10] <Snickety-Snake> Apostrophe replacing an 'h?'
[20:53:24] <Bronzdragon> They aren't close though. Also, I've never heard the h be silent in any dialect, at least on "hi".
[20:53:47] <Bronzdragon> Maybe an 'ey, I've seen/heard that....
[20:54:21] <Apsup> Doesn't the sterotypical french accent have h silent?
[20:54:50] <Apsup> Oh wait, you were talkng about 'i.
[20:54:57] <Apsup> ....doesn't work, yea.
[20:55:31] <Bronzdragon> The jury is unanimous, spacejam. Please attempt greetings again.
[20:55:45] <Bronzdragon> ./
[20:56:12] <spacejam> i will not be subject to mob rule
[20:57:01] <Bronzdragon> An unorthodox greeting, but I will accept it.
[20:57:04] <spacejam> deal with 't
[20:57:05] <Bronzdragon> Hello, spacejam.
[21:33:49] <aria> Why is there no good screen capturing utilities for Windows?
[21:34:10] <spacejam> ummm
[21:34:22] <Bronzdragon> ... fraps?
[21:34:27] <aria> Running windows in virtual box and capturing with kazaam is about equal to using fraps
[21:34:30] <spacejam> screencast or screenshot?
[21:34:33] <aria> That's pretty darn bad fraps
[21:34:39] <aria> screencast
[21:34:43] <spacejam> ahh
[21:34:47] <spacejam> anyone here do live screencasting?
[21:35:18] <aria> I was just thinking recording actually
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[21:35:52] <aria> But if there is a larger market for live things, and thus the live utilities are better, that's fine too
[21:36:00] <Bronzdragon> 'ello, Mr. woodchuck.
[21:37:03] <woodchuck> hey
[21:39:38] <aria> http://www.ezvid.com
[21:39:39] <aria> YUP
[21:40:36] <woodchuck> Where is Fraps?
[21:40:37] <Bronzdragon> They are very humble
[21:40:54] <aria> Look at the URL and the #1 suggestion, woodchuck.
[21:41:03] <aria> Though to be fair, Fraps isn't free
[21:46:15] <woodchuck> Wait; fraps costs money?
[21:46:29] <aria> It's like 25 bucks
[21:46:35] <aria> otherwise you have a watermark I think?
[21:48:27] <Bronzdragon> I think it has a limit on how long you can record
[21:48:31] <Bronzdragon> (like... 5 minutes, I believe)
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[23:31:30] <Linkigi> ubuntuuuuuuuuuu
[23:31:31] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[23:33:45] <Bronzdragon> Hai link.
[23:38:42] <Apsup> Hello people.
[23:41:16] <aria> hio
[23:41:35] <Snickety-Snake> Yo
[23:42:05] <Apsup> I was supposed to go to sleep, but then I noticed that there is new fast karate.
[23:42:24] <Bronzdragon> ... there is?
[23:42:56] <Apsup> yup
[23:42:57] <Snickety-Snake> Sweet! Something to accompany my laundry run later.
[23:43:50] <Apsup> Also video game episode which, if I had to chose between anime and videogame episodes, I'd prefer videogames.
[23:45:47] <Snickety-Snake> My favorite Fast Karate episodes from the past are almost exclusively anime episodes, but the ones I enjoy listening to the most as they come out are the video game eps.
[23:58:49] <Linkigi> hooray for Fast Karate