#geeknights | Logs for 2013-02-01

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[00:08:17] <spacejam> lol
[00:08:27] <spacejam> how is IRC vs usenet
[00:08:32] <spacejam> (vs bt)
[00:09:03] <Bronzdragon> It's like downloading from a webserver
[00:09:11] <Bronzdragon> but, y'know, via IRC.
[00:09:29] <spacejam> it lacks that multi source delivery thing
[00:09:35] <spacejam> but how is the experience overall?
[00:10:03] <aria> IRC for filesharing is pretty solid in my experience
[00:10:10] <Bronzdragon> You navigate the bot by PM-ing it
[00:10:20] <Bronzdragon> so it's a bit like accessing a server via commandline.
[00:10:33] <aria> Many steps above those ad-filled download sites
[00:11:04] <spacejam> it's a far older method, no?
[00:11:07] <aria> Advantage over BT is that if you find something, it'll actually download, rather than not have seeds
[00:11:22] <aria> Yes. But modern day bots have better bandwidth
[00:11:40] <aria> Advantage over usenet is generally more things available
[00:11:49] <spacejam> it's almost like all that algorithmic stuff was for nothing
[00:11:59] <aria> I prefer torrents overall though
[00:12:10] <spacejam> new starcraft 2 updater uses torrents
[00:12:24] <spacejam> i swear every time i update i have less and less control over my own computer
[00:13:07] <spacejam> it feels like, at least
[00:23:19] <GauntletWizard> fuck
[00:23:20] <Robobuntoo> ...
[00:23:35] <spacejam> shit
[00:23:35] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:23:35] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
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[02:09:21] <ruffas> salutations future people
[02:10:11] <spacejam> ahoy
[02:10:36] <ruffas> are you a future person?
[02:10:42] <ruffas> i'm not actually sure where you live
[02:10:53] <spacejam> probably not i'm EST
[02:10:58] <spacejam> i'm close to the pastest
[02:11:06] <spacejam> you?
[02:11:26] <ruffas> we're present buddies!
[02:11:27] <aria> I am from the future
[02:12:10] <ruffas> that you are
[02:12:18] <spacejam> florida?
[02:12:26] <spacejam> dutchland?
[02:13:19] <ruffas> the former
[02:13:35] <Bronzdragon> hai ruffas
[02:13:53] <Bronzdragon> Also, don't say "Dutchland". It's confusing.
[02:14:55] <spacejam> it was intentionally confusing
[02:15:53] <ruffas> i still like kok's smuts
[02:16:18] <Bronzdragon> Yes, you would, Ruffas.
[02:16:20] <Bronzdragon> You would.
[02:17:24] <ruffas> it's a silly word
[02:19:41] <ruffas> kok is chef, right?
[02:19:46] <Bronzdragon> Y;know what else is silly?
[02:19:46] <Bronzdragon> You.
[02:20:01] <ruffas> what
[02:20:12] <Bronzdragon> Well, it's... Yes.
[02:20:12] <Bronzdragon> Though we still have the word "chef"
[02:20:12] <Bronzdragon> It refers to a professional chef.
[02:20:40] <Bronzdragon> As opposed to someone who makes food
[02:20:40] <Bronzdragon> I suppose a better translation of kok would be "cook"
[02:21:10] <ruffas> that's what a chef is
[02:21:12] <aria> What is your second word for chef?
[02:21:18] <aria> Cause we only have the one word
[02:21:18] <ruffas> a professional
[02:21:22] <aria> Kokk
[02:21:28] <Bronzdragon> Fair enough
[02:21:37] <ruffas> is the word for hat something like smut?
[02:22:14] <aria> Kokk is both used to describe the profession and who made whatever meal is in question, in Norwegian
[02:22:33] <ruffas> and what is the word for hat?
[02:22:39] <Bronzdragon> Well, anyone who cooks is a cook.
[02:22:41] <aria> hatt
[02:22:47] <ruffas> really?
[02:22:54] <aria> Yes.
[02:22:59] <aria> Its like hat
[02:23:00] <aria> but more
[02:23:02] <Bronzdragon> I want this; https://secure.scan.co.uk
[02:23:02] <ruffas> so a chef's hat would be kokk's hatt?
[02:23:21] <aria> Yes
[02:23:23] <aria> no ' though
[02:23:30] <aria> also if you want, you can make it one word even
[02:23:35] <aria> kokkshatt
[02:23:39] <ruffas> that's good too
[02:24:05] <Bronzdragon> You think they have apostrophe-s?
[02:24:38] <ruffas> you did
[02:24:55] <ruffas> you being Dutch, not you you
[02:25:05] <Bronzdragon> Haha, no
[02:25:31] <ruffas> you did yesterday!
[02:25:35] <aria> So I consulted with the dictionary
[02:25:49] <aria> Kokkshatt is not a word
[02:25:51] <aria> kokkehatt is a word
[02:26:02] <aria> Kokshatt is a word (meaning cooking hatt)
[02:26:03] <ruffas> not quite as good
[02:26:05] <aria> kokkhatt is a word
[02:26:25] <ruffas> there's a lot of words there
[02:26:35] <aria> And kokkskatt is a word (meaning chef taxes)
[02:27:10] <aria> That being said, no one would mistake kokkshatt for something else...
[02:28:26] <Bronzdragon> OR WOULD THEY
[02:30:23] <ruffas> probably not
[02:32:30] <Bronzdragon> Depends on whether they're assholes or not.
[02:32:52] <ruffas> :p
[02:34:44] <aria> Is there some sort of--
[02:34:50] <aria> making twitter good program?
[02:34:57] <spacejam> good at what
[02:35:09] <aria> Maybe only show posts that someone has replied to or favorited?
[02:35:19] <aria> Yknow, filter boring tweets
[02:35:22] <aria> but not filter the person
[02:36:23] <ruffas> what is "boring"
[02:36:40] <spacejam> do any of these work: http://mashable.com
[02:37:06] <aria> Most things related to food or the opposite gender of the tweeter are boring
[02:37:21] <aria> I will look into them
[02:40:36] <ruffas> but i like food
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[03:22:51] <Bronzdragon> Ciao guys
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[03:42:54] <aria> "64GB MS Surface Pro Only Has 23GB of Free Space"
[03:45:15] <ruffas> ...
[03:45:35] <aria> Yup.
[03:45:36] <ruffas> my 8GB nexus 4 has only 5GB
[03:45:48] <aria> Really!?
[03:45:54] <ruffas> yeah
[03:45:57] <aria> Oh, that is how it's sold to you
[03:46:18] <aria> With nothing on it, it only has 23GB
[03:46:26] <ruffas> that's a pretty bloated OS
[03:46:46] <aria> The Nexus doesn't ship with only 5GB, does it?
[03:47:43] <ruffas> 5ish
[03:47:50] <aria> Huh..
[03:48:02] <aria> I wouldn't think Android was larger than 1gb..
[03:48:07] <ruffas> total is 5.67
[03:55:10] <GauntletWizard> The base android system image is 1g, roughly
[03:55:19] <GauntletWizard> but there's pre-installed apps that take up a lot of room
[03:55:38] <aria> How do applications on Android work?
[03:55:39] <aria> Are the common libraries, or is it the FreeBSD way?
[03:56:00] <GauntletWizard> There's no library system, outside of the OS ones
[03:56:07] <aria> Cause multiple gigabytes of mail and video playing software is a tad extensive
[03:57:31] <aria> Should, um, do some of that shared library stuff. Saves space on devices were storage is stupidly overpriced
[03:58:14] <aria> I guess the worry is that people won't maintain their already realsed applications to support up to date libraries?
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[04:21:27] <GauntletWizard> yep
[04:21:42] <aria> This slashdot article is funny
[04:21:50] <aria> everyone is showing off their epeen by talking about how small their linuxes are
[04:21:58] <GauntletWizard> very little of progams space is the executable code, though
[04:22:03] <aria> (Because Win 8 is apperantly 41gb)
[04:22:22] <aria> You do have a shared GUI library, right?
[04:22:25] <GauntletWizard> yes
[04:22:30] <aria> Only for games would size be taken by graphics, correct?
[04:22:31] <GauntletWizard> slashdot is super lame these days
[04:22:40] <aria> How so?
[04:22:51] <GauntletWizard> No, most apps are mostly graphics
[04:22:55] <aria> I haven't noticed slashdot getting worse. Although I've been reading it less and less
[04:23:08] <GauntletWizard> it's super late to everything
[04:23:15] <aria> But..
[04:23:16] <aria> it's always been
[04:23:16] <GauntletWizard> and a very limited circlejerk of comments
[04:23:17] <aria> It's slashdot
[04:23:24] <GauntletWizard> It used to be a day late
[04:23:28] <GauntletWizard> now it's more like 4
[04:23:29] <aria> Well..
[04:23:37] <aria> I'd say it was close to 4 before...
[04:23:41] <aria> maybe 2 or 3
[04:23:54] <aria> I don't mind, since I don't actually keep up with news
[04:23:57] <aria> so it's still new to me
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[04:26:04] <aria> I found this comment to be funny: "Can you imagine a civil engineer gradually patching structural inconsistencies in a bridge as they show up?"
[04:51:41] <aria> http://youtu.be
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[05:21:20] <aria> Stupid tvtropes, taking too long to read.
[05:21:24] <aria> Good night folks
[05:21:43] <aria> my eyes are too tired to continue, I must rest so I can finish every other trope tomorrow
[05:21:48] <spacejam> ...
[05:22:00] <spacejam> https://addons.mozilla.org
[05:22:08] <aria> Fine.
[05:22:16] <spacejam> or you could go the other way
[05:22:17] <aria> I bet I won't be able to read the description though
[05:22:17] <spacejam> http://www.instapaper.com
[05:22:19] <spacejam> and read it EVERYWHERE
[05:22:51] <aria> But...
[05:23:03] <aria> Firefox just remembers what pages you have open
[05:23:09] <aria> and it syncs between devices
[05:23:17] <spacejam> syncs with a phone?
[05:23:25] <aria> Yeah
[05:23:26] <spacejam> what if you have 32 tabs open
[05:23:33] <spacejam> problematic
[05:23:42] <aria> The other tabs are simply meta data
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[05:23:50] <aria> how far down into the page you're scrolled, title and URL
[05:23:55] <aria> they won't be loaded into ram
[05:23:59] <spacejam> i mean navigationally
[05:24:13] <aria> It also has grouping of tabs, making them invisible when in a different group
[05:24:14] <spacejam> my eyeball doesn't have enough RAM for all of those tabs on a phone
[05:24:20] <spacejam> interesting
[05:24:38] <aria> I don't have my tabs visible
[05:24:49] <spacejam> do you use that ctrl-shift-e tab manager
[05:24:49] <aria> I use vimperator's tab buffer to navigate
[05:25:03] <Apsup> Morning.
[05:25:05] <aria> Yes, but I have a button for it
[05:25:40] <spacejam> on your keyboard?
[05:26:02] <aria> In my GUI
[05:26:25] <aria> I just remember which tabs I have open, and type in their name into the navigation
[05:26:28] <spacejam> oh
[05:26:37] <aria> It's easier than scanning through tab-icons
[05:26:41] <spacejam> ctrl-shift-e is faster
[05:27:06] <aria> Everything else I do with my firefox is a single letter
[05:27:10] <aria> sometimes requirng shift
[05:27:21] <aria> so doing ctrl shift E is awkward
[05:27:35] <spacejam> hmm
[05:27:36] <aria> I only have 2 buttons in my GUI, so there is no time spent scanning
[05:27:44] <spacejam> only 2?
[05:27:49] <spacejam> my gui is buttonville
[05:28:01] <spacejam> i'm used to windows commands which are always ctrl-this and alt-that
[05:28:08] <aria> Yes. Tab groups and "make the youtube page dark other than the video"
[05:28:11] <aria> I don't use the other one much
[05:29:06] <spacejam> i have 10 or so bookmarks, the search bar, a home button whch s useless (and just got rid of), requestpolicy, noscript, firebug...
[05:29:07] <Robobuntoo> You can't have ten ors!
[05:29:34] <spacejam> ...i suppose you're right, robobuntoo...
[05:29:34] <aria> I have a lot of things in my right click menu
[05:29:38] <spacejam> i can't have ten everything
[05:29:38] <Robobuntoo> You can't have ten everythings!
[05:29:58] <spacejam> hmm
[05:30:04] <spacejam> i do have noscript and requestpolicy in rightclick
[05:30:32] <aria> Navigation and search is through vimperator. So it's in my GUI, but it's the minimal amount of space dedicated to it, given that I also use it for buttons
[05:30:44] <aria> that being said, I wouldn't have clickable buttons if I didn't want the vimperator bar at the buttom
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[05:30:56] <spacejam> ahh vim
[05:31:01] <spacejam> i can't handle that or emacs
[05:31:14] <spacejam> i need a walkthrough, or at least a graduated intro
[05:31:28] <aria> Vimperator is easier to learn that proper Vim
[05:31:55] <aria> I could give you a lightning course if you wanna try it right now. Wouldn't take much effort to try and then remove, it's just an extention
[05:32:31] <spacejam> ....
[05:32:39] <spacejam> isn't it like 7 am there
[05:32:45] <aria> Yes
[05:32:59] <aria> It would take us litterally 2 minutes and you'd be up to speed and probably ready to switch over for good
[05:33:06] <spacejam> very well
[05:33:46] <aria> https://addons.mozilla.org
[05:34:09] <aria> Ignore the screenshots making it look ugly. It doesn't disable your mouse =P
[05:34:18] <spacejam> just restarted firefox
[05:34:30] <aria> Notice the bottom bar has your current URL?
[05:34:54] <aria> When holding shift, whatever else you press will be relative to what that says. Otherwise, it'll ignore it
[05:34:54] <spacejam> yeah
[05:35:03] <spacejam> relative?
[05:35:04] <aria> press o to type in an URL to navigate to
[05:35:22] <aria> try pressing o, go to Google, then press O (with shift), and see how it's different
[05:35:34] <aria> tab for autocomplete
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[05:36:03] <aria> What happened?
[05:36:15] <spacejam> i hit escape in the wrong window
[05:36:18] <aria> =P
[05:36:29] <aria> Right, so that's what shift does
[05:36:35] <aria> t is "open in new tab"
[05:36:37] <aria> r is reload
[05:36:45] <aria> y is "copy current URL to clipboard"
[05:37:10] <spacejam> how do i get to the first link on google
[05:37:10] <spacejam> just click on it?
[05:37:21] <aria> Tab multiple times
[05:37:22] <aria> no clicking
[05:37:44] <spacejam> there's no press 1 for google
[05:37:47] <spacejam> hmm
[05:37:48] <spacejam> actually
[05:37:53] <spacejam> i made an extension to do that
[05:37:56] <spacejam> maybe i should fire that up again
[05:38:19] <aria> Right, so "o" "goo"[tab] "search term" [tab][tab][enter]
[05:38:44] <aria> Oh you mean, navigating without a mouse?
[05:38:47] <aria> press F
[05:38:49] <spacejam> my tab goes all the way through the top bar of search mages maps play
[05:38:52] <aria> then type in what it says next to the link
[05:39:06] <spacejam> lol
[05:39:07] <aria> I thought you meant when using your search engine from the vimperator menu
[05:39:07] <spacejam> 30
[05:39:13] <spacejam> the first hit on google is 30
[05:39:16] <spacejam> oh you can search from within vimperator
[05:39:18] <spacejam> that makes sense
[05:39:54] <aria> Yeah, it has suggestions and such too, ala Chrome
[05:39:54] <spacejam> ok this is still somewhat insane
[05:39:58] <spacejam> i could get used to it
[05:40:13] <aria> Don't use "follow" for now, just use the mouse, and vimperator to replace the Firefox GUI
[05:40:32] <spacejam> where's help/list of commands
[05:40:32] <aria> d to close a tab
[05:40:34] <aria> u to reopen
[05:40:37] <spacejam> that's the only command i'll probably remember for now
[05:40:52] <aria> f1 for regualr help. If you do :, it'll list every possible command
[05:41:17] <aria> d for delete, u for undo
[05:41:22] <aria> o for open, t for tab-open
[05:41:26] <spacejam> : and ; didn't do that for me
[05:41:37] <aria> Oh sorry
[05:41:40] <aria> : and then something
[05:41:43] <aria> so :a will list a*
[05:42:02] <aria> :a and then backspace will list everything
[05:42:12] <aria> (everything meaning however many it can fit)
[05:42:17] <spacejam> how do i scroll down
[05:42:33] <aria> tab
[05:42:36] <aria> a bunch of times
[05:42:40] <aria> you wanna know what you're looking for
[05:42:46] <spacejam> hmmm
[05:42:51] <aria> all of those things btw have sub-commands
[05:42:53] <spacejam> this kills gmail keyboard shortcuts
[05:42:58] <spacejam> how do i unkill it
[05:43:10] <aria> for example do "set [tab]"
[05:43:16] <aria> insert key
[05:43:23] <aria> insert key again to enable
[05:43:32] <spacejam> hmmmmm
[05:44:07] <spacejam> my feelings on vim are mixed
[05:44:12] <spacejam> i'll experiment for a while
[05:44:36] <aria> The easy search and one-key nature of "d" and "u" are my favorite features in terms of saving time in the way I use my firefox
[05:45:52] <spacejam> how do i do search
[05:45:58] <aria> o or t
[05:46:06] <aria> then google (or go[tab])
[05:46:10] <aria> then type your query
[05:46:20] <spacejam> i'm running into a very strange problem
[05:46:25] <spacejam> when you send a message the taskbar flashes
[05:46:30] <spacejam> which covers the vimbar
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[05:47:07] <aria> Hrm. Is that-- is the vim bar under the rest of your taskbar?
[05:47:16] <aria> Oh I see
[05:47:17] <spacejam> yeah
[05:47:20] <spacejam> maybe i'll move it up
[05:47:20] <aria> that kind of hide
[05:47:24] <aria> as if you hit esc?
[05:47:36] <spacejam> as if there was a big start menu-y bar on top of it
[05:47:43] <aria> I see
[05:47:53] <aria> isn't that just because you chose to have it that way?
[05:48:13] <aria> Bar can be moved to the top if you'd prefer btw
[05:48:16] <spacejam> so i'm not allowed to have choices now?
[05:48:24] <spacejam> i'm gonna try top
[05:48:57] <aria> Right, / for on-page search
[05:49:31] <spacejam> how do i set it to top
[05:49:55] <aria> *shrug*
[05:49:58] <aria> lets ask it
[05:50:36] <spacejam> ima not getting anywhere
[05:50:53] <aria> You could right click, go to customize apperance through the regular firefox things
[05:51:03] <spacejam> that didn't work though
[05:51:14] <aria> Really? You couldn't just drag it up?
[05:51:22] <spacejam> nope
[05:51:54] <aria> I suppose you're right.
[05:52:24] <spacejam> you really have to mode your brain to think this way
[05:52:34] <spacejam> suddenly typing words feels weird
[05:52:40] <aria> Really?
[05:52:41] <spacejam> like you're sending a whole set of commands
[05:53:03] <spacejam> i'm used to ctrl-w
[05:53:05] <spacejam> it doesn't feel like a word
[05:53:16] <aria> =P
[05:53:19] <aria> But d is just a single letter
[05:53:47] <spacejam> and i've typed at least 3 ds in this sentence alone
[05:53:58] <spacejam> i've closed all my im tabs!
[05:54:02] <aria> That is fair.
[05:54:25] <spacejam> vim is technically mode-based, no?
[05:54:54] <aria> Yes
[05:54:56] <aria> this is too
[05:54:59] <aria> but don't worry
[05:55:05] <aria> its not /much/ mode-based
[05:55:21] <aria> Right so seems the statusbar itself is not customizable
[05:55:25] <aria> although everything in it is
[05:55:27] <spacejam> it makes me think of the video on creating
[05:55:29] <aria> and everything other than it
[05:55:36] <aria> However
[05:55:47] <aria> you can move it through Stylish
[05:55:54] <aria> (or userchrome.css if you wish)
[05:56:28] <spacejam> ok now that's too much
[05:56:58] <aria> Yeah.. leave it at the buttom
[05:57:04] <spacejam> how do i choose a smart completion
[05:57:09] <aria> tab
[05:57:24] <aria> multiple tabs
[05:57:27] <aria> always multiple tabs
[05:57:40] <spacejam> k
[05:58:06] <spacejam> i can't open this link in a new window
[05:58:10] <spacejam> there we go, ctrl enter
[05:58:13] <spacejam> old school
[05:58:15] <spacejam> next tab?
[05:58:23] <aria> As opposed to what?
[05:58:26] <aria> Middle click doesn't work?
[05:58:29] <spacejam> next tab button
[05:58:35] <spacejam> i thought the point of this was to not use the mouse
[05:58:50] <aria> Oh right. Shift F
[05:58:52] <spacejam> that's where the time savings come in
[05:59:13] <spacejam> shift f is just numberizing all the links
[05:59:15] <aria> Next tab isn't mapped by default. ctrl tab and ctrl shift tab work
[05:59:17] <aria> I mapped them though
[05:59:22] <aria> it's rather trivial to do
[05:59:22] <spacejam> oh ok
[05:59:39] <spacejam> hmm
[05:59:47] <aria> nmap [key] [command]
[05:59:57] <spacejam> hmm
[06:01:52] <aria> (tabnext for next and tabNext for previous, if you're gonna map)
[06:02:14] <spacejam> so i could type tabnext
[06:02:16] <spacejam> hrm
[06:02:19] <spacejam> yeah that's slower unless i map
[06:02:23] <aria> tabprevious also works
[06:04:18] <aria> Regualr firefox things are also accessible through vimperator
[06:04:50] <aria> ":dialog" for GUI things
[06:05:01] <aria> preferences will bring up the preferences, ":addons" for the addons page, etc
[06:06:50] <aria> (ZZ to save and close)
[06:06:55] <aria> :quit also works
[06:10:25] <aria> Oh, right, gt and gT also are used to switch tabs.
[06:10:43] <aria> That is what I mapped my 1-key shortcuts to, as opposed to tabnext
[06:11:34] <spacejam> ahh
[06:11:41] <aria> to save your config, do :mkvimperatorrc
[06:11:43] <spacejam> yeah, gt is still more awkward than ctrl-tab
[06:11:45] <aria> (make vimperator rc)
[06:11:49] <spacejam> ...
[06:11:58] <spacejam> some two minute intro
[06:12:18] <aria> Well-- you weren't supposed to wanna change things!
[06:12:29] <aria> Or try and not use the mouse
[06:12:47] <spacejam> if i don't not use the mouse, then what am i doing with vimperator?
[06:12:59] <aria> I was just gonna tell you o, t, d, u, b, y and [tab a bunch] then be on my way
[06:13:19] <aria> Well, you don't use your ctrl key as much
[06:13:19] <spacejam> i'll go with that and see how far i get
[06:13:22] <spacejam> what's b and y
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[06:13:29] <aria> y is copy current URL to clipboard
[06:13:33] <aria> B is tab-list
[06:13:54] <spacejam> oh ok
[06:14:10] <aria> shift Y is copy highlighted text
[06:14:14] <spacejam> o t d u b y tab a bunch
[06:14:18] <spacejam> i'll see how far that gets me
[06:14:25] <spacejam> why wouldn't i just ctrl-c
[06:14:47] <aria> I prefer hitting shift Y, but there is no reason
[06:14:51] <spacejam> it's like the creator of vim and the inventor of the control key are blood enemies
[06:14:53] <aria> for regular y, it makes sense however
[06:15:02] <aria> its better than ctrl L, ctrl A, ctrl C
[06:15:05] <spacejam> and so, to this day, they wage war on the plains of user interfaces
[06:15:23] <spacejam> the vimperor vowing never to allow a control press into his realm
[06:15:42] <spacejam> and the control key constantly capturing large swaths of userbase
[06:16:02] <spacejam> when they meet, nothing but a cold, stony silence can be felt
[06:16:41] <aria> It's funny whenever Bronz tries to use my computer. He'll use control for shit, and accidentally move things around, come crying to me for help a few seconds later =P
[06:16:42] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[06:16:43] <spacejam> the dying entrails of a duel where neither would be satisfied with anything less then cold steel in the throat of their opposition
[06:16:57] <spacejam> seriously, d is dangerous
[06:17:05] <aria> But you have u!
[06:17:09] <spacejam> i think i just recorded a macro
[06:17:14] <aria> ah thats fine
[06:17:16] <spacejam> ...
[06:17:20] <spacejam> macro q
[06:17:21] <spacejam> i think pressing q
[06:17:22] <aria> it'll be gone next time you launch forefix
[06:17:23] <spacejam> makes a q happen
[06:17:26] <spacejam> and that's the macro
[06:17:32] <aria> =P Good job
[06:17:50] <aria> d is very good for porn. ctrl W requires too many fingers.
[06:18:00] <spacejam> two many?
[06:18:07] <aria> Yes, 2.
[06:18:07] <spacejam> that shit crazy
[06:18:08] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[06:18:40] <spacejam> i'll see how long i can handle this before i go insane trying to reach over and push insert everytime go to gmal
[06:19:06] <aria> Your insert key is in an awkward position?
[06:19:14] <spacejam> it's not near the home row
[06:19:35] <aria> You could press i for ignore.
[06:20:04] <spacejam> so then it's like
[06:20:06] <spacejam> i j
[06:20:06] <spacejam> i j
[06:20:06] <spacejam> i y
[06:20:08] <spacejam> i j
[06:20:09] <spacejam> i y
[06:20:10] <spacejam> i o
[06:20:18] <aria> Perfect
[06:20:24] <spacejam> : o
[06:20:35] <spacejam> isn't it 8:21?
[06:20:41] <aria> 7:19
[06:20:58] <spacejam> right
[06:21:40] <aria> Right, update me on your achivements in the morning
[06:21:52] <spacejam> yes sir
[06:21:57] <aria> (it'll have to be your morning though, I kinda signed away mine)
[06:22:04] <spacejam> indeed
[06:22:04] <aria> (I was promised food)
[06:22:08] <spacejam> nice
[06:22:32] <aria> Night
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[06:22:37] <spacejam> cya
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[11:13:02] <Bronzdragon> Brad?
[11:13:04] <Bronzdragon> Brad!
[11:17:54] <MrBRAD> YOU!?
[11:18:17] <Bronzdragon> Yes... It is I!
[11:18:19] <MrBRAD> I'm here for my nightly idle
[11:18:26] <Bronzdragon> Fair enough.
[11:18:30] <Bronzdragon> Carry on then, good sir
[11:19:06] <MrBRAD> I have another channel open I do care about though, I'm not that depraved. Honest!
[11:20:02] <Bronzdragon> Hey man, I don't judge
[11:20:14] <Bronzdragon> Well, not much anyway.
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[15:33:43] <Bronzdragon> Hai Aria.
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[16:44:19] <bronzdragon> ...
[16:44:50] <MrBRAD> I spent 10 dollars and all I got was an account on Something Awful
[16:44:51] <Robobuntoo> You can't spent ten dollars!
[16:44:58] <MrBRAD> oh shiiit!
[16:45:05] <MrBRAD> I can and did too!
[16:45:55] <bronzdragon> #firstworldanarchist.
[16:46:03] <bronzdragon> Don't let Robobuntoo tell you what not to do!
[17:25:28] <aria> So what is it with anime publishers (in Japan, the people who fund the shows being created in the first place) are so bad at gauging popularity?
[17:26:15] <aria> Plenty of less popular shows are not cut short or limited in thier creative freedom, but many of the more popular ones were cut short, then forced a second season on because the first one did well
[17:26:59] <aria> Why'd you greenlight something for X many episodes, and then change your mind before actual viewership numbers appear?
[17:27:36] <aria> Or maybe they base it off pilots? So if the pilot does well, they continue as planned, and if not, the show has to be cut down?
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[19:48:23] <bronzdragon> Aria!
[19:48:27] <bronzdragon> Get on the Gmailz~
[19:48:39] <aria> Yes
[19:48:41] <aria> I replied
[19:48:45] <aria> Oh wait
[19:48:46] <aria> Um..
[19:48:46] <aria> sure
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[20:20:39] <spacejam> vimperator and i are not working out
[20:32:07] <bronzdragon> Hai spacejam
[20:32:10] <bronzdragon> You're silly
[20:33:10] <bronzdragon> (Hai ruffas)
[20:36:47] <aria> What it do?
[20:36:58] <bronzdragon> What it not do, spacejam?
[20:37:23] <bronzdragon> It took me a while to get used to it too, and after that, there was about a day or two where I could operate it, but I didn't see why it was useful
[20:37:30] <bronzdragon> After that, it's... really nice
[20:37:55] <bronzdragon> I use Shift-O a lot.
[20:38:31] <GauntletWizard> Evening, tents
[20:38:37] <GauntletWizard> *gents
[20:38:38] <GauntletWizard> and ladies
[20:38:43] <GauntletWizard> and ladyboys and boyladies
[20:38:45] <aria> mornin'
[20:38:50] <aria> Which one am I?
[20:38:51] <bronzdragon> Hai GauntletWizard
[20:40:38] <aria> Bronz says I'm a ladyboy, so there's that
[20:43:16] <GauntletWizard> ...
[20:43:28] <GauntletWizard> I honestly have no idea
[20:43:57] <bronzdragon> He's definetly a lady-boy
[20:45:21] <GauntletWizard> I'm not certain what to make of that, either
[20:47:48] <aria> Hey GauntletWizard, you seem like a well organized person who has releastic views on things. How expensive do you think a professional musicion that isn't very successful is?
[20:48:04] <aria> He's Japanese
[20:52:29] <aria> "not very successful" means he was featured in two cartoons in the early 2000s. Since he has made a couple of albums, but nothing major. His official youtube has a few hundred/thousand views per video
[20:53:28] <aria> 400 likes on facebook...
[20:56:08] <GauntletWizard> expensive?
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[20:56:20] <GauntletWizard> As in, to hire him to come out?
[20:56:22] <GauntletWizard> do a show?
[20:56:33] <aria> Hire him to do original music
[20:56:33] <GauntletWizard> or, how much does he make in a year?
[20:57:18] <GauntletWizard> Interesting
[20:57:42] <GauntletWizard> I don't know. Probably somewhat, but not super...
[20:58:46] <GauntletWizard> hiring someone for custom art is always an expensive proposition
[20:59:34] <bronzdragon> Yeah.
[20:59:44] <bronzdragon> How about licensing songs?
[20:59:47] <GauntletWizard> Are you looking for an album length composition?
[20:59:58] <aria> Short album maybe
[21:00:01] <aria> 4 or 5 songs
[21:00:09] <GauntletWizard> Licensing songs from Japan is weird, because the japanese record industry is full of itself
[21:00:26] <aria> All self published, so it's fine
[21:00:31] <GauntletWizard> They truly cannot figure out why albums don't sell for $30 here
[21:00:45] <GauntletWizard> Right, but that will still inform his rates
[21:01:08] <aria> Hrm
[21:01:33] <aria> @Bronz: Besides, we can't lisence the one thing he did that really fits, because he doesn't own the rights to that
[21:02:17] <GauntletWizard> what are you licensing?
[21:02:34] <aria> Music?
[21:02:46] <aria> Well nothing
[21:02:51] <aria> just curious about pricing
[21:04:06] <GauntletWizard> My guess that it would cost $2-5 or equivlent
[21:04:12] <GauntletWizard> Depending on use
[21:31:07] <GauntletWizard> I should visit the nordic countries
[21:31:13] <aria> How so?
[21:31:31] <GauntletWizard> Norway, sweeden, finland...
[21:31:37] <aria> Probably wanna wait for it to be a bit warmer
[21:31:46] <Apsup> Don't it's cold and dark and cold here.
[21:31:48] <GauntletWizard> Yeah, sometime in the summer, perhaps
[21:32:04] <GauntletWizard> I'll be hitting london, paris, and zurich this summer
[21:32:23] <aria> Those are-- not in the same country =P
[21:32:35] <aria> Doing a across-europe trip?
[21:35:06] <bronzdragon> Aww, not even us?
[21:35:15] <bronzdragon> But we're like... right in the middle of all of those!
[21:36:59] <GauntletWizard> Yeah, I'll be following the tour of france
[21:37:06] <GauntletWizard> and boookending it with work trips
[21:37:13] <bronzdragon> I see
[21:37:18] <bronzdragon> Sounds like fun!
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[22:13:28] <spacejam> i think the issue is that i actually use a lot of keyboard shortcuts
[22:13:42] <spacejam> because when i spend a lot of time in the browser it's usually gmail
[22:13:46] <spacejam> or google reader at least
[22:13:50] <bronzdragon> Ah, gmail....
[22:13:51] <spacejam> both of which use j/k/y
[22:13:56] <spacejam> o
[22:14:00] <bronzdragon> Well, for those I use Insert
[22:14:07] <spacejam> but at that point
[22:14:10] <spacejam> i basically have old firefox
[22:14:15] <bronzdragon> Yeah.
[22:14:15] <spacejam> + annoying extra bar
[22:14:25] <bronzdragon> it doesn't play nice with reader/gmail, I'll give ya that.
[22:14:26] <spacejam> i just don't benefit from the extra untyping yet
[22:14:33] <spacejam> i can see that one shortcut that lists all the tabs being nice
[22:14:50] <spacejam> but i could already press ctrl-# and i don't do that
[22:15:53] <bronzdragon> But pressing t g [tab] Porn is much easier then typing Ctrl+T Ctrl+L Porn!
[22:16:07] <bronzdragon> And you're not even sure if you're googling at that point!
[22:16:41] <bronzdragon> or t re [tab][enter], which brigns me google reader.
[22:17:20] <bronzdragon> In fact, if I could only have t and d, I'd be happy.
[22:18:00] <spacejam> Ctrl+t re [enter] is how i open reader
[22:18:28] <spacejam> which, i was actually surprised to discover, turns out to be the same number of keystrokes as vimperator
[22:18:32] <bronzdragon> See, that's hitting two keys at once, which is clearly harder
[22:18:40] <spacejam> i'm a pianist
[22:18:42] <spacejam> i'll deal
[22:18:48] <bronzdragon> In addition, it's Ctrl instead of tab!
[22:18:49] <bronzdragon> =P
[22:18:55] <spacejam> i can't imagine how atrophied your pinky fingers are
[22:18:56] <bronzdragon> Hey man, whatever floats your ship!
[22:19:14] <bronzdragon> Don't worry, I train my fingers plenty ^_~
[22:19:27] <spacejam> ...
[22:19:30] <spacejam> help ubuntu
[22:19:30] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[22:19:45] <bronzdragon> ... I meant counterstrike!
[22:19:48] <bronzdragon> I play counterstrike!
[22:19:56] <spacejam> does anyone still play cs:s?
[22:20:00] <bronzdragon> Actually, I play more Call of Duty, but shush, people will make fun of me.
[22:20:08] <spacejam> word
[22:20:13] <spacejam> i played unreal tournament yesterday
[22:20:51] <bronzdragon> I actually started using VIM, because of your brave flurry into vimperator, to see if I thought it would be any good
[22:20:59] <bronzdragon> I accidentally typed o... and it did what I wanted it too~!
[22:22:06] <spacejam> hahaha
[22:45:17] <bronzdragon> lSDL -lGL -lSDL_ttf -o word
[22:45:19] <bronzdragon> Whups
[22:45:23] <bronzdragon> Ignore that.
[23:18:22] <aria> How come you don't use a reader and mail client?
[23:19:59] <bronzdragon> Because the website has nice features
[23:20:06] <bronzdragon> And the website has nice features
[23:21:38] <aria> Huh...
[23:21:42] <aria> I guess Im a youtube partern now?
[23:21:45] <aria> But I have like.. 2 views
[23:22:00] <bronzdragon> =O
[23:22:04] <bronzdragon> You're good at youtube!
[23:22:22] <aria> I thought you had to apply or some shit
[23:22:23] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:22:25] <spacejam> a mail client?
[23:22:35] <spacejam> you mean like pine? :P
[23:22:39] <aria> but it just said at the top "Yo click here to be a partner"
[23:24:43] <aria> Wait so..
[23:24:48] <aria> It didn't ask for a credit card
[23:24:59] <bronzdragon> ...
[23:25:02] <aria> Also it automatically adds ads to everything?
[23:25:07] <bronzdragon> Maybe it'll ask once you made money?
[23:25:08] <aria> As opposed to things where I manually click it?
[23:25:15] <aria> Thats no good
[23:25:19] <aria> half of this shit isn't even mine
[23:25:20] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:25:27] <bronzdragon> I know you can pick per video
[23:25:36] <bronzdragon> Which ones you want ads on and which ones you don't
[23:25:37] <aria> I have to disable per video now!
[23:25:41] <bronzdragon> D=
[23:25:49] <bronzdragon> Maybe you can do it per playlist?
[23:27:09] <aria> Hey...
[23:27:10] <aria> Cmon
[23:27:16] <aria> the one thing I wanna monotize I can't?
[23:27:35] <aria> "Matched third party content" Well yes, but it's not even--
[23:27:44] <aria> its highly edited, also rendered locally, youtube!
[23:27:53] <aria> The original game didn't look like that
[23:27:59] <aria> how does it even recognize it's the same game?
[23:27:59] <bronzdragon> =P
[23:28:07] <bronzdragon> Well, call them up
[23:28:20] <bronzdragon> Be like "Fair use, now let me GET PAY'D, BIATCH"
[23:28:52] <bronzdragon> So, I appreantly already have SDL development libraries
[23:28:55] <bronzdragon> I'm okay with this.
[23:28:56] <aria> Apperantly
[23:29:01] <aria> Konami owns a grunt I use
[23:29:02] <aria> which is true
[23:29:05] <aria> but its just a grunt
[23:29:10] <bronzdragon> shush, I wropte apperantly just fine.
[23:29:19] <bronzdragon> *wrote, goddamnit
[23:29:19] <aria> (they also own all the models and textures, but their automated searches doesn't know that)
[23:29:32] <bronzdragon> spacejam "Goddamnit" is a curse, goddamnit!
[23:29:43] <bronzdragon> I want my goddamn bots to respond damn you!
[23:34:09] <spacejam> my bot totally responded
[23:34:15] <bronzdragon> I don't see it.
[23:34:24] <spacejam> that's not my fault
[23:34:33] <bronzdragon> Wait, is it not...
[23:34:40] <bronzdragon> Right
[23:34:46] <spacejam> uBUNtu
[23:34:46] <bronzdragon> Get your bot in here!
[23:34:47] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[23:34:58] <spacejam> it's not on this machine
[23:35:01] <bronzdragon> Wait, no, I'm confused, Robobuntoo IS your bot, right?
[23:35:02] <spacejam> get me an extra machine to run it on
[23:35:10] <spacejam> no, but i'll take credit for it
[23:35:13] <bronzdragon> ...
[23:35:18] <bronzdragon> Right, no Clippy is yours?
[23:35:21] <spacejam> gauntletwizard is also my bot
[23:35:30] <bronzdragon> Well, GauntletWizard is everyone's bot
[23:35:35] <bronzdragon> Also, you should autocomplete names that long
[23:35:46] <spacejam> GauntletWizard
[23:35:48] <spacejam> GauntletWizard
[23:35:49] <spacejam> sure
[23:35:52] <bronzdragon> Because seriousy, typing anything beyond "Gau" is just wastefull!
[23:36:03] <bronzdragon> Speaking of which...
[23:36:05] bronzdragon is now known as Bronzdragon
[23:45:38] <GauntletWizard> Hrmm
[23:45:58] <GauntletWizard> What should I do with my new bot powers?
[23:46:12] <GauntletWizard> also, I'm begining to think I am a fake geek girl
[23:46:31] <GauntletWizard> (Note: I am not female, nor do I prentend to be one on the internet)
[23:46:33] <spacejam> a (fake geek) girl or a fake (geek girl)?
[23:46:43] <GauntletWizard> The former
[23:46:57] <Bronzdragon> GauntletWizard, would you like to RP?
[23:47:00] <Bronzdragon> ^_~
[23:47:06] <aria> Bot powers are very useful, they make it so you can say the first thing that comes to mind and no one can fault you for it
[23:47:31] <GauntletWizard> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:47:32] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:47:41] <Bronzdragon> What you should do is make it spit out the title of any HTTP URL pasted in here.
[23:48:13] <Bronzdragon> You should also make it play TicTacToe.
[23:48:14] <aria> Also magnet or torrent.
[23:48:23] <aria> And seed Ubuntu.
[23:48:25] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[23:48:27] <aria> Or at least pretend to
[23:48:34] <aria> (but just tunnel the official Ubuntu IRC bots)
[23:48:34] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[23:48:48] <Bronzdragon> See how excited he gets?
[23:49:02] <spacejam> 02that's my favorite OOPerating system01
[23:49:02] <Robobuntoo> Are you guys talking about oo-BOON-too?
[23:49:14] <Bronzdragon> How can you say no to that little guy!
[23:49:23] <aria> ...that gray bluish text is hard to read on my gray greenish background
[23:49:27] <aria> I guess its more yellow..
[23:49:31] <spacejam> hmmmm
[23:49:32] <Bronzdragon> It's fine for me.
[23:49:36] <Bronzdragon> Well, fine-ish
[23:49:44] <spacejam> 14how's this?
[23:49:55] <Bronzdragon> 10/10 would read again.
[23:49:56] <Robobuntoo> You can't 10 ten woulds!
[23:50:06] <aria> That is great.
[23:50:34] <Bronzdragon> How much would would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck ten wood?
[23:50:34] <Robobuntoo> You can't chuck ten woods!
[23:51:05] <Bronzdragon> Why does Robobuntoo add an S to the end?
[23:51:50] <GauntletWizard> erm
[23:51:53] <GauntletWizard> why not?
[23:51:58] <GauntletWizard> pluralizing
[23:52:25] <GauntletWizard> so, anyway - I am a fake geek, because http://www.reddit.com
[23:52:50] <GauntletWizard> I'm one of the people arguing that there is such a thing as a "Fake geek girl"
[23:53:17] <spacejam> 14why would that make you a fake geek
[23:53:30] <GauntletWizard> but there's an interesting arguement in http://www.reddit.com
[23:53:56] <GauntletWizard> which has made me realize that I pretend to be conversant in several areas where I am not
[23:54:14] <GauntletWizard> and pretend to be more hardcore than I am in several areas where I am only mediumcore
[23:54:36] <GauntletWizard> (I.E. I love shouting "LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOMESTUCK" whenever it comes up, but I am not a homestuck)
[23:54:58] <Bronzdragon> ...
[23:55:07] <Bronzdragon> I'm in the Matrix, ask me anything.
[23:55:22] <GauntletWizard> Bronzdragon: Link?
[23:55:46] <Bronzdragon> He's a character from the popular Legend of Zelda series.
[23:56:03] <Bronzdragon> he wears a green tunic, and can most often seen almost beating Ganondorf.
[23:56:54] <Bronzdragon> I think zelda is a pretty cool guy. eh smashes pots and doesn't afraid of anything.
[23:57:45] <GauntletWizard> That ...
[23:57:53] <GauntletWizard> Bronzdragon: <3
[23:58:15] <Bronzdragon> That was more affectionate then I was expecting, but it's not unwanted