#geeknights | Logs for 2013-01-30

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[00:39:50] <Bronzdragon> I never said hi to you, yoshokatana.
[00:39:52] <Bronzdragon> Apologies
[00:40:09] <yoshokatana> hullo!
[00:40:19] <Bronzdragon> How're YOU doing, sir?
[00:40:53] <yoshokatana> I'm ok
[00:41:06] <yoshokatana> watching that weird nerd reality show
[00:41:09] <yoshokatana> it's not bad
[00:41:20] <Bronzdragon> Ah, King of the Nerds
[00:41:32] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, I watched the first episode, it was surprisingly okay.
[00:41:37] <yoshokatana> yeah
[00:41:40] <Bronzdragon> I've never seen a decent reality show.
[00:41:47] <yoshokatana> me neither
[00:41:56] <Bronzdragon> It's... weird.
[00:42:01] <yoshokatana> haha
[00:43:33] <GauntletWizard> heh
[00:43:38] <GauntletWizard> I've heard good things
[00:43:45] <yoshokatana> I was really worried it would be very nerdshamey
[00:43:49] <yoshokatana> but it's actually decent
[00:43:49] <GauntletWizard> but I can't take precious cartoon watching time to watch it
[00:44:17] <GauntletWizard> their inital challenge (Divide into teams! The one not picked is the winner!) was cute and appropriate
[00:44:25] <Bronzdragon> It's not the best show, but the fact that it's good...
[00:44:37] <yoshokatana> SPOILER ALERT
[00:44:44] <yoshokatana> (I'm still on the team picking part :p)
[00:44:48] <Bronzdragon> =O
[00:44:56] <Bronzdragon> Geeze, GauntletWizard.
[00:44:58] <Bronzdragon> YOU JERK
[00:45:02] <yoshokatana> hahaha
[00:45:12] <Bronzdragon> That's like, the one time you can actually spoil a reality show.
[00:45:41] <yoshokatana> ok, now the picking is done
[00:45:46] <yoshokatana> watching the aftermath now
[00:46:35] <yoshokatana> ah, that's a good mechanism
[00:48:56] <Bronzdragon> Quick question; future laser weapons. Do they make the target explode. [Y/N]
[00:49:13] <yoshokatana> no...?
[00:49:16] <yoshokatana> no…?
[00:49:29] <yoshokatana> unless the target is a flammable gas under pressure, I guess
[00:50:07] <spacejam> or a bomb
[00:50:16] <yoshokatana> mhmm
[00:50:43] <Bronzdragon> 's what I thought!
[00:51:48] <aria> Wikipedia and TV Tropes say they do. But [citation needed] like 500 places in this article
[00:52:50] <yoshokatana> also, that goddamned geekhaus is amazing
[00:53:55] <Bronzdragon> Fuck yes it is.
[00:53:56] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:54:08] <Bronzdragon> That's like, 5 times as good as my dream house
[00:55:33] <aria> ...Really?
[00:55:46] <aria> You want a bunch of busts and statues around in your dreamhouse?
[00:55:53] <aria> Or rather, you want something that's worse?
[00:56:00] <aria> I thought you wanted to live in a mountain
[00:56:10] <aria> Hanging from multiple choppers
[00:56:15] <aria> in space
[00:56:51] <yoshokatana> I would be totally fine with busts if they also came with fully stocked boardgame, hardware hacking, and videogame rooms
[00:57:23] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, you can move those busts out...
[00:57:27] <Bronzdragon> Or around
[00:57:34] <Bronzdragon> I'd definetly keep the dragon head around though
[00:57:53] <Bronzdragon> Also the *SPOILERS* throne of games!
[00:57:57] <aria> They had that stuff? I did not notice that stuff
[00:58:09] <Bronzdragon> Seriously, they had like, all the shit
[00:58:09] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[00:58:20] <aria> Stops cursing!
[00:58:33] <yoshokatana> throne of games was kind of meh for me, too many LEDs
[00:58:45] <Bronzdragon> But duuuude
[00:58:49] <yoshokatana> oh also just got a look at the grounds
[00:58:51] <Bronzdragon> it's called the throne of games
[00:58:59] <Bronzdragon> THE THRONE OF GAMES
[00:59:06] <Bronzdragon> Best name for a throne? (well, almost)
[00:59:09] <yoshokatana> dat life-sized chessboard
[00:59:16] <Bronzdragon> =O
[00:59:18] <yoshokatana> any good country house needs a life-sized chessboard
[00:59:22] <Bronzdragon> Yeah...
[00:59:40] <Bronzdragon> Playing chess where people are hitting each other with swords is best chess
[00:59:51] <Bronzdragon> You just need 32 friends
[01:00:05] <Bronzdragon> Well, 31?
[01:00:13] <yoshokatana> mhmm
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[03:09:27] <Bronzdragon> MrBRAD!
[03:09:31] <Bronzdragon> You're rad
[03:09:51] <MrBRAD> WHY YES THANK YOU GOOD SIR
[03:37:06] <Bronzdragon> Good night, Geeknights
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[05:06:18] <ruffas> i killed spacejam!
[05:11:56] <GauntletWizard> Murderer!
[05:13:09] <ruffas> T_T
[05:13:15] <ruffas> it was an accident~
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[07:16:56] <Zappy> yawn
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[12:07:00] <Bronzdragon> Haaaai.
[12:07:42] <ruffas> mornin
[12:09:25] <Bronzdragon> How is you?
[12:26:16] <ruffas> sleepy
[12:26:20] <ruffas> also daily show
[12:26:51] <Bronzdragon> I see
[12:29:43] <ruffas> stupid 7am
[12:30:18] <Bronzdragon> Bah, why does early have to come so... /early/.
[13:10:10] <ruffas> oh, i've got -an- answer for your question about why's to dollar sign come first
[13:10:28] <Bronzdragon> Oh?
[13:10:49] <ruffas> in currencies where it comes second, there is no smaller denomination
[13:11:04] <ruffas> there's no 4000.50¥
[13:11:14] <Bronzdragon> ... Interesting.
[13:11:22] <ruffas> or ₩, ect.
[13:12:19] <Bronzdragon> I guess that makes sense.
[13:12:38] <ruffas> but dollars would be $40.00
[13:12:56] <ruffas> but 50¢
[13:13:12] <ruffas> i don't know if that's -the- reason, but it does make sense
[13:13:30] <ruffas> anyway, shower time nao
[13:14:21] <Bronzdragon> Okay
[13:14:23] <Bronzdragon> have fun ^_~
[13:23:15] <ruffas> i'm going to collect data re: currency symbols today
[13:23:28] <ruffas> see if students' monies behave the same
[13:23:28] <Bronzdragon> This is your mission?
[13:23:39] <ruffas> i'm curious now
[13:23:43] <Bronzdragon> Awesome.
[13:24:11] <ruffas> now, i must sally forth!
[13:24:31] <ruffas> later
[13:24:33] <Bronzdragon> Go, my man
[13:24:36] <Bronzdragon> And good luck!
[13:24:37] <Bronzdragon> Try not to slip
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[17:24:45] <Bronzdragon> YOSHOKATANA!
[17:24:58] <yoshokatana> hullo
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[18:04:38] <Bronzdragon> NINE
[18:11:09] <nine> Hi.
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[18:15:13] <Bronzdragon> spacejam!
[18:15:28] <spacejam> hello
[18:15:31] <spacejam> ooh, new trillian
[18:19:40] <spacejam> how is everyone
[18:19:49] <spacejam> djfooboo, L-four, Peka
[18:19:55] <aria> Does it not have ads anymore?
[18:20:09] <spacejam> i rarely see ads
[18:20:23] <aria> When I tried Trillain, it had a bunch of ads
[18:20:23] <spacejam> when i close it says upgrade and get remote chat logging sometimes
[18:20:43] <spacejam> i rarely see ads
[18:20:50] <Bronzdragon> "rarely"?
[18:20:59] <spacejam> i don't think i saw any yesterday
[18:27:17] <GauntletWizard> Man, the concept of having an IM client fascinates me
[18:27:29] <Bronzdragon> Does it?
[18:27:30] <Bronzdragon> Why?
[18:27:38] <spacejam> it's nice
[18:27:38] <GauntletWizard> The only IM services I use are IRC and Google Talk
[18:27:46] <spacejam> those generally use clients
[18:27:50] <GauntletWizard> IRC I prefer through console clients
[18:27:51] <Bronzdragon> Don't you have an client for IRC?
[18:27:57] <Bronzdragon> those are still clients...
[18:28:03] <aria> That is still a client..
[18:28:09] <GauntletWizard> And Gtalk I use the webclient
[18:28:15] <spacejam> also a client...
[18:28:19] <Bronzdragon> I like the desktop client for G-talk
[18:28:20] <aria> Nah
[18:28:21] <aria> thats different
[18:28:26] <Bronzdragon> Allows me to not keep a web-page open
[18:28:31] <aria> For that, you have to stay on the gmail/+ website
[18:28:32] <spacejam> it's a UI to a client
[18:28:44] <GauntletWizard> No, no, I type the bytecodes of the IRC connection directly into telnet
[18:28:50] <spacejam> i only check my email a few times a day
[18:28:54] <Bronzdragon> Ah, fair enough
[18:28:59] <aria> For google talk and facebook and whatnot, I just use whatever is built into the system
[18:29:01] <spacejam> so gtalk on the web is a bad idea
[18:29:06] <spacejam> i get lots of emails
[18:29:11] <spacejam> and facebook would be even more distracting
[18:29:18] <spacejam> no way i would get any debugging done with that up
[18:29:18] <Bronzdragon> The reason to use a desktop client, indeed, is to have people talk to you without having gmail open.
[18:29:19] <GauntletWizard> I used to use trillian, and gaim
[18:29:24] <GauntletWizard> back when it was still gaim
[18:29:36] <spacejam> yeah gaim is nice but it was ugly
[18:29:50] <spacejam> remember aim+?
[18:30:44] <aria> I like being able to recive and respond to messages, without neccearly wanting to talk to people a bunch. Which is why system built in things are nice
[18:31:27] <spacejam> that's kind of why i have a client - it's the smallest way i have to talk to people, compared to having a lot of web pages open or seeing my emails all the time
[18:31:34] <spacejam> or having multiple apps open
[18:32:16] <spacejam> that reminds me, need to connect to work im
[18:33:40] <Bronzdragon> Work IM?
[18:33:59] <spacejam> yeah i have a separate IM for work issues
[18:34:47] <spacejam> work clients/freelancers sending gchats to me on my personal address is not a recipe for a fun time/ever having any time off from work
[18:35:26] <aria> So a seperate address?
[18:35:37] <aria> Why not use the same client?
[18:35:54] <aria> Surely if your client does gtalk, it does 2 gtalks also
[18:37:16] <spacejam> indeed it does
[18:37:24] <spacejam> so all i have to do is tell trillian
[18:37:28] <spacejam> hey, connect to this network too
[18:37:42] <yoshokatana> hmm
[18:37:47] <yoshokatana> I have a motivation problem
[18:38:00] <spacejam> when i don't have motivation, i tend not to do work
[18:38:07] <spacejam> what's the problem
[18:38:25] <yoshokatana> I've been working with this client for almost a month, and I haven't gotten paid yet. I invoiced them two weeks ago, and they have until friday to pay before they're overdue
[18:38:44] <spacejam> what kind of client are they?
[18:38:47] <yoshokatana> I think my limit for "working for someone before getting paid" is only about three weeks
[18:38:48] <spacejam> big, small, medium
[18:39:01] <yoshokatana> small, but they supposedly can afford me
[18:39:30] <spacejam> perhaps they are busy
[18:39:35] <spacejam> nagging often works on busy people
[18:39:39] <spacejam> speaking from experience
[18:39:54] <yoshokatana> well, my problem is that I need to get some stuff done for them
[18:40:07] <yoshokatana> and I'm worried that if I nag, they'll nag back about getting it done
[18:40:25] <yoshokatana> which I'm really not motivated to do because I haven't gotten any money from them yet
[18:40:30] <yoshokatana> catch 22.
[18:40:35] <spacejam> they were supposed to pay already right?
[18:40:40] <spacejam> they go first then
[18:40:45] <yoshokatana> yeah
[18:40:46] <yoshokatana> ok
[18:40:48] <spacejam> even if they tell you to work
[18:40:49] <spacejam> you will
[18:41:02] <spacejam> but it's not like you have to work unpaid if you don't want to
[18:41:08] <yoshokatana> true
[18:42:18] <yoshokatana> ok
[18:42:35] <yoshokatana> I sent the ceo an email asking if he "was able to look over my last invoice"
[18:42:51] <yoshokatana> I kind of don't like having to skirt around the issue, it makes me stressed out
[18:43:04] <spacejam> why skirt?
[18:43:12] <spacejam> one of my freelancers is very direct about asking me for pay
[18:43:26] <spacejam> it's a little annoying but totally fair
[18:43:43] <spacejam> and i can imagine them being less annoying but even more effective, if they wanted to be
[18:43:50] <yoshokatana> hmm
[18:43:53] <yoshokatana> fair point
[18:44:27] <spacejam> and then there are the lawyers... :-/
[18:44:34] <spacejam> it sounds like you have a 3 week invoice deadline
[18:44:43] <yoshokatana> no, I do net 15
[18:44:49] <spacejam> oh ok
[18:44:57] <yoshokatana> which is technically this friday
[18:44:58] <spacejam> do you do three tier?
[18:45:07] <yoshokatana> three tier?
[18:45:36] <spacejam> so, if you don't have to get paid until friday, i suppose the fact that you're uncomfortable with that means that you might be more comfortable with net 10? not sure
[18:45:48] <yoshokatana> yeah
[18:46:13] <spacejam> like, some pay in advance, some midway, and some when it's done
[18:46:18] <spacejam> someone i know swears by it
[18:46:19] <spacejam> works in finance
[18:46:19] <yoshokatana> ahh
[18:46:38] <yoshokatana> I probably should have, in retrospect
[18:46:58] <spacejam> yeah i never learned to do that before
[18:47:08] <spacejam> i mean you have a contract, right? so they're on the hook
[18:47:51] <yoshokatana> I usually do a net 15 or net 10, and always make it clear that this is a deadline rather than an expected delay
[18:47:59] <yoshokatana> yeah, I've got a contract
[18:48:21] <yoshokatana> also, I have a moral dilemma
[18:48:50] <yoshokatana> another client is paying me $20 more per hour, invoiced weekly with net 10
[18:48:50] <Bronzdragon> Oh noes!
[18:48:56] <spacejam> ubuntu
[18:48:57] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[18:49:05] <Bronzdragon> oo-BOON-too!
[18:49:06] <Robobuntoo> that's my favorite OOPerating system
[18:49:21] <yoshokatana> and I kind of want to work on their stuff today
[18:49:22] <yoshokatana> :p
[18:49:33] <spacejam> what's the dilemma? do the work you're obligated to do, and only accept the work you like in the future?
[18:49:44] <spacejam> that last one was not supposed to end in a question mark?
[18:49:52] <yoshokatana> ????
[18:49:56] <yoshokatana> yeah
[18:50:12] <yoshokatana> both are ongoing projects, though
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[18:50:34] <yoshokatana> so I can't really wrap up the first client's work and focus solely on the second one
[18:50:35] <ruffas> bad news bronz
[18:50:39] <Bronzdragon> OH NO
[18:50:40] <spacejam> lol you can throw me at the contract you don't want, i need a hobby
[18:50:43] <Bronzdragon> Don't tell me...
[18:50:51] <ruffas> my $ theory was wrong
[18:50:53] <spacejam> that actually is a good name - you should be badnewsbronzdragon
[18:50:54] <Bronzdragon> Listen, just don't tell me ruffas, I don't want my heart broken.!
[18:50:55] <Bronzdragon> NOOOO
[18:51:05] Bronzdragon is now known as badnewsbronzdragon
[18:51:10] <spacejam> nice!
[18:51:10] <badnewsbronzdragon> Santa isn't real.
[18:51:15] <spacejam> :(
[18:51:23] <spacejam> i've never believed in Santa
[18:51:24] <spacejam> is that weird?
[18:51:26] <yoshokatana> I think I'll finish up the stuff I need to for the first client, and dedicate tomorrow (and possibly friday) to the second one
[18:51:29] <ruffas> haha
[18:51:33] <yoshokatana> since rent is due this weekend
[18:51:37] <badnewsbronzdragon> Our culture doesn't have Santa.
[18:51:49] <ruffas> you've got a santa analogue
[18:51:59] <spacejam> yoshokatana: oh then you definitely have an excuse to work on the contract that pays better!
[18:52:18] <badnewsbronzdragon> So, the dollar theory did not work, you said?
[18:52:30] <yoshokatana> dollar theory?
[18:52:32] <ruffas> turns out that in Kuwait and Ukraine (at least) they've got things like dollars and cents, but they put the write it after
[18:52:46] <ruffas> bronz was asking why $4 instead of 4$
[18:53:01] <spacejam> what was the theory?
[18:53:33] <ruffas> because we've got dollars and cents, the dollar sign goes in front and cents goes after
[18:53:39] <ruffas> $4 or 50c
[18:53:51] <ruffas> same with pounds,
[18:54:02] <aria> I could've told you that was wrong
[18:54:03] <aria> We have cents
[18:54:17] <ruffas> it's £4 or 50p
[18:54:25] <ruffas> where do you put them
[18:54:29] <ruffas> when you're writing
[18:54:32] <badnewsbronzdragon> Euro's the same.
[18:54:46] <ruffas> but something like 500¥ or 5000W
[18:54:50] <ruffas> it comes after always
[18:54:58] <aria> Currancy goes at the end
[18:55:04] <ruffas> i thought it might be because there is no smaller denomination
[18:55:11] <aria> cents go after a dot after the larger currancy
[18:55:15] <aria> so its 1.5kr
[18:55:34] <aria> (meaning 1 crown and 50 ears)
[18:56:04] <ruffas> if it's just cents?
[18:56:15] <aria> 50øre
[18:57:27] <ruffas> see, another hole in the theory
[18:57:32] <ruffas> thanks obama
[18:58:13] <badnewsbronzdragon> =(
[18:58:35] <badnewsbronzdragon> Well, the bad news is, I don't think we're going to figure it out.
[19:02:22] <GauntletWizard> yoshokatana: If they haven't paid you, they're not a client
[19:03:38] <yoshokatana> :-/
[19:06:11] <yoshokatana> I really hope they are a client, since I've done about $1500 worth of work so far
[19:06:38] <spacejam> are they a profitable company?
[19:06:51] <yoshokatana> no, still a startup
[19:06:57] <spacejam> funded?
[19:07:02] <yoshokatana> yeah
[19:07:06] <spacejam> stage?
[19:07:31] <yoshokatana> series a
[19:07:56] <spacejam> oh ok
[19:08:01] <spacejam> (what city?)
[19:08:03] <yoshokatana> yeah, so they should be good for it
[19:08:06] <yoshokatana> NYC
[19:08:09] <spacejam> ....
[19:08:11] <spacejam> name?
[19:08:21] <yoshokatana> Busker
[19:08:30] <yoshokatana> they don't really have much online yet
[19:08:37] <yoshokatana> I just made their landing page a week ago
[19:09:05] <spacejam> oh i remember it because you sent it
[19:09:06] <spacejam> haha
[19:09:37] <spacejam> (how's your twitter bootstrap?)
[19:09:43] <yoshokatana> eh
[19:09:51] <spacejam> k
[19:09:55] <yoshokatana> I find it's often a hindrance instead of a crutch
[19:10:13] <spacejam> html5, you fancy
[19:10:29] <yoshokatana> it does some cool things and I like the aesthetic, but it is a lot of code that usually isn't used
[19:10:35] <spacejam> scripts at the bottom!!!
[19:11:10] <GauntletWizard> Yeah, I feel like a lot of javascript libraries are that way
[19:11:11] <spacejam> but yeah, landing page, whatever
[19:11:38] <spacejam> javascript doesn't really need libraries in quite the same way RoR does
[19:11:40] <GauntletWizard> Look! You can do this fancy animation with only 3 lines (and 256k of unrelated js that's loaded and parsed for every action you do)
[19:11:50] <yoshokatana> ^
[19:11:53] <GauntletWizard> Yes, yes it does, spacejam
[19:12:00] <GauntletWizard> Javascript has terrible builtins
[19:12:11] <badnewsbronzdragon> ^
[19:12:13] <GauntletWizard> and nothing remotely resembling a library model
[19:12:26] <spacejam> i don't mean that it doesn't
[19:12:29] <GauntletWizard> The DOM is wonderful
[19:12:34] <spacejam> just that the situation has different problems
[19:13:07] <GauntletWizard> and by wonderful I mean a decent abstraction marred by the abuse heaped upon it by various factions pulling different ways
[19:13:24] <GauntletWizard> (With one notable faction trying to pull it quite directly into hell)
[19:13:27] <spacejam> at the very least, front end demands are very different from back end ones in general
[19:13:31] <spacejam> dare i ask
[19:13:37] <yoshokatana> the best thing in life is a very clean, pretty DOM
[19:13:59] <ruffas> GW, you're running Robobuntoo now right?
[19:14:12] <ruffas> he really doesn't like non-latin characters
[19:14:15] <yoshokatana> I have a potential client calling me today. took a look at their website. they're using <dl> (definition list) for layout items
[19:14:16] <yoshokatana> arghhhhh
[19:14:30] <GauntletWizard> ruffas: That's not a huge surprise
[19:14:39] <spacejam> yoshokatana: it could be so, SO much worse
[19:14:51] <ruffas> that, and you've got something in there called fucker
[19:14:52] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[19:14:55] <ruffas> made me chuckle
[19:15:06] <yoshokatana> the problem is that they're using html5 semantic tage (yay!) but in place of tables (WHAT THE FUCK)
[19:15:07] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[19:15:20] <spacejam> in place of?
[19:15:24] <spacejam> like, inside of?
[19:15:27] <spacejam> headers inside tds?
[19:15:33] <yoshokatana> no, like
[19:15:45] <yoshokatana> the #wrap div is actually an <article> element
[19:15:45] <yoshokatana> aughhh
[19:15:52] <spacejam> ...
[19:16:02] <spacejam> <div id="wrap"><article>
[19:16:05] <GauntletWizard> ruffas: The point of robobuntu is purely amusement...
[19:16:26] <spacejam> <article-merged-with-div-in-unholy-sgml-alliance>?
[19:16:27] <GauntletWizard> Though it does also do some other weird things, like query eve market prices.
[19:16:32] <yoshokatana> and inside of that they have <dl>'s (with dt and dd) the same way people used to use <tr>s and <td>s in the 1800s
[19:16:49] <spacejam> <div id="wrap"><article><dl>
[19:16:50] <spacejam> ?
[19:16:55] <yoshokatana> spacejam: <article id="wrap"> entire page content</article>
[19:17:00] <spacejam> oh
[19:17:00] <spacejam> random
[19:17:04] <yoshokatana> yeah
[19:17:08] <spacejam> i guess that's one way to make things html5
[19:17:14] <yoshokatana> gahh
[19:17:23] <yoshokatana> I don't know how to even address it
[19:17:31] <spacejam> i will go to hell for saying this, but sometimes , if it's just a throwaway landing page or something that doesn't matter to real work, heck, use a table
[19:18:05] <yoshokatana> I should just be like "hey I saw your site. I can help make it not suck but you need to give me control over the dom. and fire all of your front end engineers"
[19:18:25] <spacejam> but how does the site /look/
[19:18:26] <GauntletWizard> On an unrelated note, http://www.csicop.org
[19:18:29] <yoshokatana> I have no problem with tables for showing table data
[19:18:32] <yoshokatana> it looks meh
[19:18:38] <spacejam> if it /looks/ good, then it's hard to make the case
[19:18:58] <yoshokatana> http://www.spafinder.com
[19:19:00] <spacejam> not that i don't think good markup has inherent value, but if you're selling it you've got to make a business case
[19:19:09] <yoshokatana> it's very web2.0 :-/
[19:19:52] <spacejam> have they done user studies/eyetracking/whatever
[19:19:53] <yoshokatana> well, the main business case is that their SEO is totally fucked and accessibility features probably don't work at all
[19:19:53] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[19:20:04] <yoshokatana> spacejam: hahaha doubtful.
[19:20:05] <spacejam> ahh
[19:20:14] <spacejam> both things that good markup might actually help with
[19:20:22] <spacejam> i mean the way i see it
[19:20:23] <yoshokatana> sorry Robobuntoo I'll stop saying SEO
[19:20:33] <yoshokatana> I know it's a bad word :p
[19:20:33] <spacejam> there's just too many boxes
[19:20:35] <ruffas> see that you do
[19:21:22] <spacejam> i'm not a spa marketer, so i don't know what they're trying to convert to
[19:21:33] <yoshokatana> yeah :-/
[19:21:38] <spacejam> yosho ever read any patio11?
[19:21:46] <yoshokatana> nope, what's that?
[19:21:55] <spacejam> he makes bingo card creator
[19:22:12] <spacejam> he's a programmer by trade, but lately he's been all about improving conversion rates and marketing
[19:22:26] <yoshokatana> (they want me to make their site responsive, which I can't easily do with their whacked-up formatting)
[19:22:29] <yoshokatana> ahh
[19:22:32] <spacejam> http://www.kalzumeus.com
[19:22:57] <yoshokatana> oh, I know this guy
[19:23:06] <spacejam> yeah he gets around
[19:23:09] <spacejam> on hackernews at least
[19:23:16] <yoshokatana> :-)
[19:23:55] <spacejam> i want to be a gazer
[19:25:04] <yoshokatana> hmm
[19:25:15] <yoshokatana> I'm eating a bagel and lox with scallion creme cheese
[19:25:40] <yoshokatana> and there are just a little bit more scallions in it than I'd like
[19:25:46] <yoshokatana> #firstworldproblems
[19:25:55] <spacejam> #nycproblems
[19:30:55] <badnewsbronzdragon> I've never eaten a bagel
[19:31:06] <spacejam> #europeanproblems
[19:32:52] <ruffas> you've probably not had a proper biscuit either have you?
[19:33:25] <badnewsbronzdragon> I like to think I have
[19:33:27] <badnewsbronzdragon> But I can't be sure
[19:34:28] <ruffas> do you call cookies biscuits too?
[19:34:46] <badnewsbronzdragon> Well, I suppose.
[19:34:55] <badnewsbronzdragon> But that's because "Beschuit" is a dutch word
[19:35:01] <badnewsbronzdragon> And used for something unrelated
[19:35:20] <ruffas> what is it?
[19:35:28] <badnewsbronzdragon> It's... like a large disc
[19:35:36] <badnewsbronzdragon> Very airy, but stiff?
[19:35:45] <ruffas> food?
[19:35:51] <badnewsbronzdragon> Yes
[19:35:53] <badnewsbronzdragon> food.
[19:36:11] <badnewsbronzdragon> They're kind of dry if you eat them without some sort of topping
[19:36:11] <spacejam> an airy, stiff large disc?
[19:36:15] <ruffas> those sprinkles look tasty
[19:36:19] <spacejam> that's not entirely unlike biscuits/cookies
[19:36:26] <badnewsbronzdragon> Well, true
[19:36:29] <badnewsbronzdragon> But they're light.
[19:36:32] <ruffas> it's a good description
[19:36:33] <badnewsbronzdragon> Really light
[19:36:35] <ruffas> google it
[19:36:38] <badnewsbronzdragon> Well, maybe it's the same?
[19:36:48] <ruffas> nah
[19:36:54] <spacejam> making me hungry
[19:36:55] <ruffas> some other kind of pastry
[19:37:10] <badnewsbronzdragon> Apperantly "Rusk" http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:37:14] <spacejam> hard bread
[19:37:18] <yoshokatana> ok cool, talked to the client
[19:37:19] <spacejam> the sprinkle ones look like donuts
[19:37:25] <spacejam> what'd they say?
[19:37:32] <yoshokatana> he mentioned wanting to pay me when I was done with the project
[19:37:38] <spacejam> ....
[19:37:49] <yoshokatana> and I mentioned how the invoice was for things I had already finished
[19:37:55] <spacejam> .....
[19:38:34] <yoshokatana> and how net 15 worked
[19:38:40] <spacejam> yeah
[19:38:45] <yoshokatana> and am going to get paid on time
[19:39:43] <spacejam> you are?
[19:39:57] <ruffas> cool
[19:42:34] <yoshokatana> yeah
[19:43:05] <spacejam> nice
[19:43:31] <yoshokatana> I mean, I'll believe it more when I have a check in hand
[19:44:01] <yoshokatana> but at least they understand my expectations (e.g. being paid when my contract says I'm to be paid)
[19:44:22] <spacejam> you can withhold your work right?
[19:45:27] <yoshokatana> I can, but I really don't want it to come to that
[19:45:55] <spacejam> with a funded startup early on, that should be unlikely
[19:46:14] <spacejam> unless they're in financial trouble we're all unaware of
[19:46:19] <spacejam> it sounds like they're just starting though
[19:46:37] <yoshokatana> yeah
[19:50:58] <spacejam> time to eat some not beschuit
[20:00:06] <badnewsbronzdragon> 'Kk
[20:00:24] <ruffas> is schooly time
[20:00:28] <ruffas> later y'all
[20:00:36] <badnewsbronzdragon> Bai ruffas
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[20:30:23] <nine> No, no, I type the bytecodes of the IRC connection directly into telnet
[20:30:32] <nine> My dick is so hard now after reading that.
[20:31:38] <badnewsbronzdragon> You have weird fetishes
[20:31:42] <badnewsbronzdragon> but I do not judge
[20:31:47] <badnewsbronzdragon> I guess I did, sorry
[20:37:34] <spacejam> i missed the line in between bytecodes and fetishes
[20:39:21] <badnewsbronzdragon> What line?
[20:39:45] <badnewsbronzdragon> Nine just likes HARDwiring and HARDcoding.
[20:39:51] <badnewsbronzdragon> It only makes sense he'd be into this too.
[21:02:31] <nine> If you don't have a weird fetish on the internet you're not even trying!
[21:03:52] <aria> There is no shortage of weird fetishes on Bronz's computer
[21:04:12] <badnewsbronzdragon> Shush, those are secret
[21:04:14] badnewsbronzdragon is now known as Bronzdragon
[21:04:29] <Bronzdragon> Nobody needs to know of my paperclip fetish.
[21:05:32] <spacejam> ...that would've made using microsoft office pretty weird in the late 90s
[21:05:36] <nine> Microsoft Word's the first thing you install after a format?
[21:22:30] <nine> Say Bronz, what did you think about rule 63 Clippit?
[21:22:54] <Bronzdragon> I do not.
[21:25:06] <nine> You do not think?
[21:25:13] <nine> Also, lawl anime: http://puu.sh
[21:25:41] <nine> It's even funnier when you remember apreche's comments regarding this show.
[21:26:01] <GauntletWizard> I have less hair
[21:26:09] <aria> I think he meant "I don't know what that is"
[21:26:11] <GauntletWizard> also, fetishes?
[21:26:30] <aria> And I don't get that image.
[21:26:35] <GauntletWizard> Man, I love fetishes
[21:26:38] <GauntletWizard> I have a fetish fetish
[21:27:08] <nine> Bronzdragon does not know what rule 63 Clippit is?
[21:27:19] <nine> And he calls himself a paperclip fetishist?!
[21:27:26] <Bronzdragon> Well, I can imagine it
[21:27:41] <Bronzdragon> Haven't seen it though.
[21:27:54] <Bronzdragon> To be honest, I do not enjoy the cartoony nature of clippit
[21:29:27] <aria> What is clippit?
[21:29:46] <Bronzdragon> Also known as Clippy
[21:29:46] <nine> aria has a bad taste in perverts.
[21:29:56] <aria> ...
[21:29:57] <Bronzdragon> He's that paperclip in Microsoft word that talks to you
[21:29:59] <aria> What is Clippy?
[21:30:12] <aria> ...He has a name?
[21:30:13] <Bronzdragon> Do you want help with that verb? I'll make it past tense!"
[21:30:17] <aria> He's not just "The help dialog"?
[21:30:20] <Bronzdragon> https://www.google.com
[21:30:34] <aria> So what is rule 63?
[21:30:48] <nine> http://lmgtfy.com
[21:30:51] <Bronzdragon> Inverted gender.
[21:31:29] <nine> aria, you're horrible.
[21:31:37] <aria> =/
[21:32:01] <nine> Go spend some time on the internet.
[21:32:09] <nine> The actual internet, not your own server.
[21:32:11] <nine> http://www.january.cc
[21:32:13] <nine> Also dis.
[21:32:52] <aria> What would count as "the internet"?
[21:34:57] <Bronzdragon> Huh, this is the same flash loading screen as that mattadoor game.
[21:35:32] <aria> I just got a blue page..
[21:35:45] <aria> It also told me to get better flash
[21:36:17] <nine> ... aria, the white symbols represent text.
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[21:47:51] <Bronzdragon> 'ello there.
[21:49:11] <spacejam> mm, oreos
[21:49:33] <aria> Ill just assume Clippy and Spacejam are the same person
[21:49:57] <spacejam> on what basis?
[21:50:02] <Bronzdragon> They have the same IP, so it wouldn't be a strech.
[21:50:10] <spacejam> oh man i need my client to do that
[21:50:19] <spacejam> log ips that is
[21:50:19] <Bronzdragon> Well, I actually checked the hostname, not the IP
[21:50:26] <aria> Because you talked for the first time in forever when Clippy joined
[21:50:45] <aria> Also, Clippy is from the NY area
[21:50:57] <aria> and I know you to be American
[21:52:22] <spacejam> fascinating
[21:52:46] <nine> It's been forever since you talked for aria because he suffers from a serious disease.
[21:52:57] <nine> It makes time appear slower to him.
[21:53:09] <nine> What we percieve as a second, must be millenia for the boy.
[21:53:31] <aria> It makes me very productive however
[21:53:50] <Bronzdragon> ^_~
[21:54:17] <nine> Speed of perception != speed of action.
[21:54:54] <nine> Just because it seems like millenia to you, doesn't mean you can wank in point-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-zero-six flat.
[21:55:12] <aria> Really now?
[21:55:58] <nine> Really.
[21:56:04] <nine> We all know you're horribly slow.
[21:56:21] <nine> It took you several generations before you finally realized who Clippit was.
[21:56:46] <nine> Anyways, I'm gonna spend some lifetimes watching anime. Brb.
[21:56:58] <aria> What the hell Japan? You can do proper lip syncing for a close up of a mouth while it's singing /in the opening/?
[21:57:18] <aria> can't*
[21:57:37] <aria> That shit had like 5 frames
[21:57:38] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[21:57:38] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[21:57:39] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[21:58:02] <aria> =O
[21:58:17] <aria> Good job spacejam
[21:58:40] <spacejam> haha, it worked
[21:58:40] <spacejam> nice
[21:58:43] <aria> Cept the part where you didn't tell it to ignore Robobuntu
[21:58:49] <spacejam> ehh he cursed too
[21:59:00] <Bronzdragon> Nice!
[21:59:06] <aria> The problem is this: Fuck
[21:59:07] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[21:59:07] <Robobuntoo> ...
[21:59:14] <aria> Ok then
[21:59:16] <spacejam> yup, no problem!
[21:59:17] <aria> I was wrong
[21:59:17] <aria> this worked out
[21:59:20] <Bronzdragon> I really like how you waited for a curse to come up.
[21:59:40] <spacejam> there are a few other things in there, probably
[21:59:53] <spacejam> i have some ideas but actual work needs to be happening now
[22:00:48] <aria> Munto has a bunch of explosions? ^o)
[22:00:53] <aria> Guess Im watching the rest of that
[22:01:56] -!- ruffas [ruffas!b85a3769@hide-BF4D4B18.mibbit.com] has joined #geeknights
[22:02:33] <Bronzdragon> hello again ruffas!
[22:06:24] <GauntletWizard> heh
[22:06:34] <ruffas> howdy
[22:06:44] <GauntletWizard> there's still debug code on robobuntoo
[22:06:55] <GauntletWizard> and it's been printing every line with fuck in it
[22:06:56] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[22:06:56] <Robobuntoo> ...
[22:07:17] <ruffas> there's another one?
[22:07:22] <GauntletWizard> Apparently
[22:07:47] <ruffas> are they...an item?
[22:07:56] <Bronzdragon> You could say that
[22:10:57] <spacejam> ...
[22:11:14] <spacejam> yeah, this bot prints out the condensed curse transcript
[22:17:15] <nine> aria: what animu has bad lip syncing?
[22:17:28] <nine> Also, you do realize they just use stock images of mouths, right?
[22:17:29] <Bronzdragon> All of them
[22:17:48] <Bronzdragon> If they use stock images, they should at least use the correct ones
[22:17:54] <Bronzdragon> there's only like, 12, at most.
[22:19:03] <nine> There are no correct ones.
[22:19:04] <aria> No, why the super close up of a mouth singing for 5 minutes doesn't have a step between closed mouth and a mouth making the E sound
[22:19:22] <nine> Seriously, there's like 5 possible mouths they can pick from and that's it.
[22:19:34] <nine> Japan's not really big on the whole "LET'S TRY AND SYNCH THIS SHIT."
[22:19:35] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[22:19:36] <Robobuntoo> ...
[22:19:39] <nine> Because it costs more.
[22:19:56] <aria> Shouldn't be doing the close up of a mouth shot then
[22:20:05] <nine> Pah.
[22:20:07] <nine> It's the idea.
[22:20:15] <nine> And who the fuck cares if it's not perfectly synched.
[22:20:15] <Clippy> ...
[22:20:21] <GauntletWizard> I need to fix phenny
[22:20:27] <nine> Also, which animu are you talking about exactly?
[22:20:28] <aria> I don't care about the syncing as much as the framerate
[22:20:30] <GauntletWizard> it's rate-limiting code is attrocious
[22:20:34] <nine> Clippy: stfu.
[22:20:37] <aria> Anime thread, top of the page, youtube opening
[22:20:44] <Bronzdragon> Why did you not write your own?
[22:20:46] <nine> Kotoura-san?
[22:20:57] <aria> I don't fucking know, I clicked on it ages ago
[22:20:58] <Clippy> ...
[22:20:58] <nine> Yeah, the synch in that is atrocious.
[22:21:08] <GauntletWizard> Bronzdragon: Because who wants to write rate-limiting code?
[22:21:10] <spacejam> how does it rate-limit anyways?
[22:21:15] <spacejam> ^
[22:21:31] <Bronzdragon> Just don't write any!
[22:22:09] <Bronzdragon> Make the bot spam the shit out of it!
[22:22:09] <Clippy> ...
[22:22:24] <nine> Shit fuck piss cunt?
[22:22:31] <nine> Crummy bot.
[22:22:48] <spacejam> how come they're both silent?
[22:23:06] <GauntletWizard> because they haven't said anything new
[22:23:09] <GauntletWizard> ubuntu
[22:23:10] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[22:23:12] <GauntletWizard> fuck
[22:23:13] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:23:15] <spacejam> the mysteries of science
[22:23:32] <aria> I wonder if I still have Manfred on this computer..
[22:23:38] <spacejam> oo-BOON-too
[22:23:39] <Robobuntoo> that's my favorite OOPerating system
[22:23:56] <GauntletWizard> the offending code is https://github.com
[22:24:20] <Bronzdragon> Hey Aria, I have Manfred
[22:24:27] <Bronzdragon> In exectuable form, I believe
[22:24:31] <GauntletWizard> Which basically says "If you've sent this same thing over and over, stop"
[22:24:37] <GauntletWizard> but it's broken and stupid
[22:24:38] <aria> But then all the dialogs are wrong
[22:24:41] <aria> Do you have source?
[22:25:33] <spacejam> mmm
[22:25:36] <GauntletWizard> http://code.google.com ?
[22:25:37] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to Bing something. Can I help you with that?
[22:25:43] <spacejam> so technically if we treat bots like game design
[22:25:44] <spacejam> ...
[22:25:55] <spacejam> games need to introduce some form of variation
[22:25:59] <GauntletWizard> spacejam: I hate you
[22:26:04] <aria> That is great
[22:26:07] <spacejam> to keep things interesting
[22:26:07] <aria> Nope, I like it
[22:26:13] <spacejam> i'm not sure what that variation would be
[22:26:17] <spacejam> i originally wrote google
[22:26:18] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to Bing something. Can I help you with that?
[22:26:21] <spacejam> :P
[22:26:30] <GauntletWizard> lol
[22:26:31] <spacejam> then i realized, that wasn't the right choice
[22:26:36] <spacejam> for this at least
[22:26:39] <GauntletWizard> Actually, that is pretty awesome
[22:26:40] <aria> Huh
[22:26:50] <aria> Someone else made a IRC bot around the same time by the same name
[22:26:54] <aria> That is a different Manfred.
[22:27:00] <GauntletWizard> (But "I hate you" is code for "That joke is awful, and I love it")
[22:27:17] <spacejam> nice
[22:27:29] <spacejam> i don't know what would make the bot more random
[22:27:38] <spacejam> maybe it could run a choose your own adventure
[22:27:45] <spacejam> that seems like an inordinate amount of work
[22:27:49] <spacejam> yeah too hard
[22:28:11] <Bronzdragon> You could just lift the adventure from someone else
[22:28:29] <spacejam> oh i ignored all the manfred references because i thought it was a strangely titled anime, but apparently it's a bot. what's the difference?
[22:28:39] <aria> Like that CYOA book you've been working on for a year.
[22:28:46] <spacejam> that ...
[22:28:54] <GauntletWizard> Actually, CYOA games aren't that hard
[22:28:55] <spacejam> that would fill this entire chat room up with text like you wouldn't believe
[22:29:05] <GauntletWizard> Running a simple state machine is pretty... simple
[22:29:07] <spacejam> the code isn't. it's the content that i don't feel like writing
[22:29:16] <Bronzdragon> Your bot can't PM?
[22:29:17] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to PM something. Can I help you with that?
[22:29:20] <GauntletWizard> ah, yeah, that is hard
[22:29:26] <aria> You should actually consider making an application version of your book
[22:29:32] <aria> isn't hard to make
[22:29:34] <spacejam> define application?
[22:29:40] <spacejam> like, .exe?
[22:29:42] <Bronzdragon> Digital version
[22:29:47] <aria> Desktop/phone application
[22:29:48] <Bronzdragon> Like a website or a steam game.
[22:29:51] <aria> where you read text
[22:29:51] <GauntletWizard> Bronzdragon: Robobuntoo responds to PM
[22:29:52] <spacejam> i don't make the print version, just the digital
[22:29:54] <Bronzdragon> Website could work well.
[22:29:59] <aria> then click on how you wanna proceed
[22:30:02] <aria> and it find the right page for you
[22:30:10] <spacejam> actually
[22:30:14] <spacejam> yeah
[22:30:23] <spacejam> there are some IRC bots that do trivia
[22:30:30] <spacejam> CYOA would work
[22:30:36] <spacejam> this is basically perfect for Interactive Fiction
[22:30:41] <spacejam> Zork-style stuff
[22:30:46] <nine> OH SHIT.
[22:30:46] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[22:30:47] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:30:47] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[22:30:53] <nine> Robobuntoo RESPONDED.
[22:31:10] <spacejam> i'm a little surprised that i don't know of more IF bots
[22:31:30] <spacejam> ahh, something called meldrew
[22:31:40] <spacejam> ok that's too much to think about right now
[22:33:34] <nine> ...
[22:33:46] <nine> Apple has a patent on staircases.
[22:33:59] <Bronzdragon> Source?
[22:34:04] <nine> Floating glass staircases, but staircases nonetheless.
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[22:34:15] <nine> http://www.google.com
[22:34:22] -!- Clippy [Clippy!Clippy@hide-C81D949.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #geeknights
[22:34:33] <spacejam> you mean the ones that they have in apple stores?
[22:34:45] <aria> I like how there is a "find prior art" button
[22:35:02] <Bronzdragon> Actually, there's a reason that's there.
[22:35:03] <nine> And they have a patent pending for "special architectural glass panels"
[22:35:09] <Bronzdragon> It's a way to fight bullshit patents.
[22:35:10] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:35:11] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[22:35:28] <Bronzdragon> ... =/
[22:35:29] <nine> Yes, fight bullshit patents with bullshit patents.
[22:35:30] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[22:35:30] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:35:37] <spacejam> hmmm
[22:35:38] <nine> Because that's going to fucking solve the problem.
[22:35:38] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:35:48] <nine> Also, those stairs look like the ones at my university.
[22:35:48] <spacejam> fire with fire
[22:36:01] <nine> Only exception was the steps weren't made out of glass.
[22:36:11] <spacejam> a perfect prior art button would solve a number of problems
[22:36:41] <spacejam> i gotta stop developing in firefox
[22:36:44] <nine> It's a fucking godsend that the US patent offices at least know you can't fucking patent clothing.
[22:36:45] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to fucking something. Can I help you with that?
[22:36:45] <Robobuntoo> ...
[22:36:45] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:36:54] <spacejam> well, that was quite odd
[22:37:14] <spacejam> that gives me an idea though
[22:37:27] <Bronzdragon> Uh oh.
[22:37:44] <spacejam> it'll take me too long to implement
[22:37:49] <spacejam> for now
[22:38:07] <Bronzdragon> I should check out one of these projects and push some changes...
[22:38:11] <Bronzdragon> It'd be fun but...
[22:38:13] <Bronzdragon> eh, so much effort!
[22:38:24] <Bronzdragon> Do we have a request list?
[22:38:35] <spacejam> I still enjoy the double robobun2/robobun1 fight
[22:38:42] <GauntletWizard> man
[22:38:47] <GauntletWizard> I dont even know what was with that
[22:39:04] <spacejam> Gauntlet: you mean why it didn't ratelimit?
[22:39:09] <GauntletWizard> Bronzdragon: Issues are enabled for robobuntu
[22:39:14] <GauntletWizard> yeah
[22:39:22] <GauntletWizard> It's supposed to check if it's just saying the same thing over and over
[22:39:31] <spacejam> it wasn't
[22:39:35] <spacejam> there was an ubuntu cycle
[22:39:36] <Robobuntoo> oo-BOON-too!
[22:39:54] <GauntletWizard> Oh, roight!
[22:40:02] <GauntletWizard> That queue is only eight long
[22:40:10] <GauntletWizard> (5 messages + three ...'s)
[22:40:14] <spacejam> followed up by a can't ten things cycle which someone here may or may not have instigated
[22:40:15] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to ten something. Can I help you with that?
[22:40:15] <Robobuntoo> You can't t ten things!
[22:40:15] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to t something. Can I help you with that?
[22:40:16] <Robobuntoo> You can't to ten somethings!
[22:40:17] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to to something. Can I help you with that?
[22:40:36] <spacejam> which that almost became
[22:40:38] <spacejam> again
[22:40:42] <GauntletWizard> lol
[22:40:49] <GauntletWizard> I can ten somethings.
[22:40:50] <nine> What triggers Clippy?
[22:40:50] <Robobuntoo> You can't can ten somethings!
[22:40:51] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to can something. Can I help you with that?
[22:41:23] <nine> I can't fap to this.
[22:41:24] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to fap something. Can I help you with that?
[22:41:31] <spacejam> there you go, nine!
[22:41:34] <nine> Guess we figured that out.
[22:41:38] <nine> I'm a genius.
[22:41:40] <spacejam> until the rule changes
[22:41:44] <nine> As is to be expected from me.
[22:41:44] <Bronzdragon> Good job!
[22:41:56] <spacejam> you win nine internets
[22:41:59] <nine> http://randomc.net
[22:42:02] <nine> Ghost maids.
[22:42:03] <Bronzdragon> PUNZ
[22:42:07] <nine> In animu.
[22:42:24] <nine> Nine internets isn't a pun you dolt.
[22:42:38] <Bronzdragon> But your name is nine
[22:42:41] <Bronzdragon> So it's a play on your name
[22:42:51] <Bronzdragon> It's a pun acording to it's definition.
[22:43:01] <Bronzdragon> (the definition of pun, not the definition of nine)
[22:43:30] <spacejam> Ouch, got that first it's but landed the second one poorly. We'll see what the judges have to say about that one...
[22:44:01] <Bronzdragon> I do that sometimes. I also mess up "then" and "Than" a lot.
[22:44:14] <Bronzdragon> It's something I have to work through.
[22:44:28] <spacejam> My brain naturally leans toward picking the wrong one.
[22:44:41] <spacejam> over the write one.
[22:44:46] <nine> "Not to mention that fact that they’re edging ever closer in civilisation to humanity’s forsaken past, what with their bamboo shields and musket rifles."
[22:44:48] <Bronzdragon> I, however, have no excuse for the capitalization of the 'T' in 'than'.
[22:44:50] <nine> >musket rifles
[22:44:58] <nine> >they're breach-loading
[22:45:07] <nine> Dumb brick animu blogger.
[22:45:08] <Bronzdragon> Did you do that on purpose, spacejam?
[22:45:14] <spacejam> probably
[22:45:17] <Bronzdragon> Because if so....
[22:45:40] <nine> Breech-loading, my bad.
[22:45:43] <Bronzdragon> I don't get the problem.
[22:45:52] <Bronzdragon> Arent' muskets breach-loaded?
[22:46:16] <Bronzdragon> *breech
[22:46:38] <nine> No.
[22:46:41] <Bronzdragon> Wait, breech-loading is the other side.
[22:46:42] <nine> They're muzzle loaded.
[22:46:50] <nine> You load a musket from the end.
[22:47:20] <nine> Breech-loading means you crack it open in most cases, load it, and put it back before firing.
[22:48:11] <spacejam> gah dependency injection
[22:50:18] <spacejam> muzzle loaded laser rifles would be fun
[22:50:50] <spacejam> it seems like the natural progression after lightsabers
[22:51:04] <spacejam> followed by energy flintlocks
[22:56:22] <nine> ...
[22:56:31] <nine> What the fuck would you load it with?
[22:56:31] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:56:37] <spacejam> i don't know
[22:56:39] <spacejam> force pellets
[22:56:45] <nine> Seriously, how the fuck would you load a laser rifle?
[22:56:46] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[22:56:47] <spacejam> midichlorinuggets
[22:56:52] <nine> Or laser musket for that matter.
[22:57:01] <nine> STFU Robobuntoo.
[22:57:16] <spacejam> force powder and metal balls
[22:57:27] <nine> But then it's not a lazer gun.
[22:57:39] <GauntletWizard> Middle clicking the chrome new tab button opens a search for whatever is in your middle-click pastebuffer
[22:57:48] <spacejam> true
[22:57:50] <nine> Nice.
[22:58:05] <spacejam> laser magic
[22:58:06] <GauntletWizard> it actually makes sense that laser rifles would be muzzle loaded
[22:58:11] <spacejam> you put in some crystals
[22:58:11] <GauntletWizard> were they chemical lasers
[22:58:16] <spacejam> and they vaporize and generate energy
[22:58:17] <nine> That works I guess.
[22:58:27] <spacejam> it doesn't have to make a lot of scientific sense
[22:58:29] <spacejam> i mean, lightsabers
[22:58:31] <nine> But then it's be a single bounce lazer.
[22:58:33] <nine> Wooptidoo.
[22:58:45] <spacejam> presumably with force powers you'd be able to make the beam bend
[22:58:46] <nine> Unless you load it with a second mirror.
[22:58:47] <spacejam> or do other fancy things
[22:58:59] <nine> How about we just stick to the lazer guns they already got?
[22:59:08] <nine> Or just go WH40K and make flashlights.
[22:59:20] <spacejam> we can't stand in the way of progress, nine
[22:59:21] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to stand something. Can I help you with that?
[22:59:27] <nine> It's not progress.
[22:59:28] <spacejam> no thank you, clippy
[22:59:29] <nine> It's fiction.
[22:59:33] <nine> And regression!
[22:59:36] <spacejam> Fictional Progress
[22:59:48] <nine> So regression?
[22:59:51] <nine> The progress is fake?
[22:59:59] <nine> SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT WITH YOUR LUNACY FOR AN IDEA.
[23:00:21] <spacejam> ...
[23:00:26] <spacejam> shun the nonbeliever!
[23:00:39] <spacejam> shun
[23:00:46] <Bronzdragon> imagine.
[23:00:55] <Bronzdragon> You bring technology to history
[23:00:59] <Bronzdragon> With your timemachine
[23:01:11] <spacejam> speaking of which everyone here should read h.g. wells the time machine
[23:01:16] <Bronzdragon> And then, you go to the future, take more advanced technology, and bring that back
[23:01:21] <nine> God fucking dammit.
[23:01:22] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:01:26] <nine> Did Skype uninstall itself again.
[23:01:35] <Bronzdragon> How...
[23:01:39] <nine> THAT'S NOT HOW YOU UPDATE YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT.
[23:01:40] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[23:01:40] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:01:43] <Bronzdragon> For me, it's impossible to get rid off.
[23:01:43] <nine> I don't fucking know.
[23:01:44] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:01:49] <nine> It's done it once befor.e
[23:02:01] <nine> It's background process kills the program.
[23:02:09] <nine> Then kills itself after uninstalling the stuff.
[23:02:12] <nine> It's called updater.exe
[23:02:16] <GauntletWizard> I understand how skype got popular
[23:02:34] <nine> It's supposed to auto-start with Windows for me.
[23:02:55] <nine> But the last two times it found updates, which has like 6 months of time in between, it uninstalls itself.
[23:04:36] <spacejam> is it because of msft?
[23:05:33] <Bronzdragon> Skype was a big deal before microsoft
[23:05:52] <spacejam> i think they were trying to join the two IM networks as of recently though
[23:06:09] <spacejam> but actually...i think they were moving msn messenger TO skype, and not the other way around
[23:06:12] <Bronzdragon> Eyup
[23:06:18] <Bronzdragon> correct.
[23:06:21] <spacejam> so uninstalling seems...problematic
[23:06:35] <spacejam> I AM ABOARD THE CLUE TRAIN NOW, CARRY ON
[23:07:48] <Bronzdragon> Wait, we're playing Clue?
[23:08:20] <spacejam> we should play carcassonne
[23:08:34] <Bronzdragon> Is it on the Interwebs?
[23:08:48] <Bronzdragon> Aria doesn't like playing Carcassonne, because I always win.
[23:09:00] <spacejam> i think some are online, some aren't
[23:09:04] <Bronzdragon> Because I always place sideways city tiles next to his big scoring ones.
[23:09:15] <spacejam> they're all on BSW, which is in way too German
[23:09:28] <Bronzdragon> No such thing
[23:10:56] <spacejam> also in way too much Java
[23:11:22] <Bronzdragon> Ah, that's a problem
[23:12:00] <spacejam> i might actually still have it installed somewhere
[23:12:51] <nine> Somewhere being a seperate hard drive unconnected to any other computer part.
[23:24:08] <nine> Somewhere being a seperate hard drive unconnected to any other computer part.
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[23:40:17] <nine> Fucking Skype.
[23:40:18] <Robobuntoo> ...
[23:40:32] <nine> Rebooted, purged shit from registry, reinstalled.
[23:40:32] <Robobuntoo> ...
[23:40:32] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[23:40:35] <nine> Finally no 1603 error.
[23:40:46] <nine> Then I renamed the updater folder and updater.exe.
[23:40:55] <nine> C:\Program Files (x86)\Skype\FUCKYALLUpdater\FUCKYOU.Updater.exe
[23:40:56] <Robobuntoo> ...
[23:41:10] <nine> NOPE.Updater.dll keeps it company.
[23:41:29] <nine> If shit works next reboot I'm shredding that crap.
[23:41:30] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[23:43:58] <GauntletWizard> okay, I am going to create a mechanism to pop one message off that stack every 10 seconds
[23:43:59] <Robobuntoo> You can't every ten seconds!
[23:44:00] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to every something. Can I help you with that?
[23:44:20] <Bronzdragon> ...
[23:44:21] <GauntletWizard> and increase that buffer length
[23:44:35] <spacejam> b-OOf-er
[23:44:41] <nine> Heeeheheheeeeheheeee.
[23:44:46] <nine> This is why I don't run a bot.
[23:44:52] <nine> Though I should run a dice bot script.
[23:45:03] <spacejam> AIM used to let you run /roll
[23:45:05] <spacejam> of all things
[23:45:07] <nine> !9ball IS I AWSOMUR?
[23:45:11] <nine> Ya.
[23:45:19] <nine> /roll? Meh.
[23:47:28] <spacejam> better than /flip
[23:48:11] * Bronzdragon flips spacejam off.
[23:48:31] <spacejam> it's not very effective...
[23:48:54] * Bronzdragon hurts himself in his confusion.
[23:49:06] * Bronzdragon faints
[23:49:09] <nine> !8ball I AM AWESOME?
[23:49:26] <nine> 8ball I AM AWESOME?
[23:49:29] <nine> 8-ball I AM AWESOME?
[23:49:29] <nine> A question please.
[23:49:31] <nine> YA!
[23:49:34] <nine> It works.
[23:49:35] <Bronzdragon> [ask me again later]
[23:49:39] <nine> It's faster than me though.
[23:49:47] <nine> 8-ball is Bronzdragon an asshole?
[23:49:47] <nine> A question please.
[23:49:55] <nine> Someone try it.
[23:50:28] <Bronzdragon> ... no.
[23:50:40] <nine> Please? :(
[23:51:56] <nine> 8-ball
[23:52:11] <nine> Bah, it can't open the file.
[23:52:11] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to open something. Can I help you with that?
[23:53:57] <nine> 8-ball: AM I AWESOME?
[23:53:58] <nine> 8-ball says: Are you kidding?
[23:54:03] <nine> ;_;
[23:54:19] <spacejam> we need a fortune cookie bot
[23:54:32] <spacejam> isn't that right, 8-ball
[23:55:37] <nine> I unloaded it.
[23:55:44] <nine> 8-ball: AM I AWESOME?
[23:55:45] <nine> 8-ball says: No
[23:55:48] <nine> ;_;
[23:56:28] <nine> 8-ball: AM I AWESOME?
[23:56:29] <nine> 8-ball says: Forget about it
[23:56:37] <spacejam> you have a self-bot?
[23:56:52] <nine> Irssi can use scripts.
[23:57:24] <nine> It just can't log how many questions it has handled due to Windows being shit with filenames.
[23:57:25] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:57:25] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to curse. Can I help you with that?
[23:57:26] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to log something. Can I help you with that?
[23:57:29] <nine> Can't start with a period.
[23:57:30] <Clippy> It looks like you're trying to start something. Can I help you with that?
[23:57:41] <nine> Jesus fuck Clippy.
[23:57:42] <Robobuntoo> Censor yourself, Motherfucker!
[23:57:50] <nine> Stop being such a realistic simulation of Clippit.
[23:58:30] <spacejam> i'm impressed by how realistically annoying it is
[23:59:21] <nine> Yup.
[23:59:23] <nine> Your fault.
[23:59:42] <spacejam> Why thank you.