#geeknights | Logs for 2012-11-20

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[00:26:58] <nine> They do.
[00:27:02] <nine> Black flame is pyromancy.
[00:27:11] <nine> It's combustion, only 2edgy4me.
[00:27:18] <nine> And breaks shields hard.
[00:27:28] <aria> He was using a catalyst
[00:27:31] <nine> bronzdragon: Hit tab multiple times.
[00:27:42] <nine> Or hit a secondary letter in this case before tab-completing.
[00:28:06] <nine> He is a faggot at lvl 3. WOOPTIDOO.
[00:29:03] <bronzdragon> I know...
[00:29:09] <bronzdragon> Hey, nine....
[00:29:19] <nine> What?
[00:29:22] <bronzdragon> Is there an katana attack that he does, where he holds the sword above his head
[00:29:28] <bronzdragon> And then uses his off hand to hold the tip
[00:29:32] <bronzdragon> And smacks downwards?
[00:29:36] <nine> That's whip.
[00:29:38] <bronzdragon> I think it's the heavy attakc...
[00:30:25] <nine> Whip has an overhead attack.
[00:31:13] <nine> Iaito has a weaboo faggot from-the-scabbard attack.
[00:31:18] <nine> Boomer loves using it.
[00:39:19] <aria> What is Boomer?
[00:39:22] <aria> Also that attack is way cool
[00:43:13] <nine> Joe Boomer.
[00:43:17] <nine> Faggot on the forums.
[00:43:18] <nine> You'd like him.
[01:18:12] <GauntletWizard> Ns2, anyone?
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[01:40:35] <bronzdragon> It's a bit late, innit?
[01:42:09] <nine> No.
[01:42:16] <nine> Only 3.
[02:05:50] <aria> Not entirely unexpected http://youtu.be
[02:09:48] <nine> Sledgehammer test, she barely knocks the xbox and smashes the cube.
[02:10:03] <aria> Well it has to be a contest
[02:10:11] <nine> BITCH.
[02:10:20] <aria> I mean, everyone knows the Gamecube won't break
[02:10:24] <nine> SHE BE GIVING CUBE MOMENTUM WHEN DROPPING AND JUST LETS GO OF XBOX.
[02:10:27] <aria> to make it exciting, you push it extra hard
[02:10:27] <nine> What's this bull.
[02:11:12] <nine> Fake.
[02:11:14] <nine> FAKE.
[02:11:16] <nine> MUST BE FAKE.
[02:11:19] <nine> <3 cube.
[02:11:40] <bronzdragon> Yet the cube lives..
[02:12:16] <aria> I wonder if I could break a gamecube..
[02:12:25] <bronzdragon> Yes
[02:12:37] <aria> How? Im not stronger than a sledge hammer
[02:14:43] <bronzdragon> Yes, but you are smarter
[02:15:42] <bronzdragon> Also, I think the xbox would've remained functional
[02:15:51] <nine> It probably did.
[02:15:56] <nine> Bitch be biased and foolish.
[02:16:08] <nine> It's all to get the accent on the interwebs.
[02:16:09] <bronzdragon> ^
[02:16:14] <bronzdragon> Needs more SCIENCE!
[02:18:08] <bronzdragon> Whoa, waht
[02:18:09] <nine> aria: hold on to your butts.
[02:18:12] <bronzdragon> mid-watching youtubes
[02:18:14] <bronzdragon> It switched
[02:18:17] <bronzdragon> Now the bottom bar is all black
[02:18:18] <nine> ~?
[02:18:24] <nine> ~??
[02:18:36] <bronzdragon> ...
[02:18:38] <bronzdragon> wait no
[02:18:47] <bronzdragon> Just videos ebmeded in this one channe, it seems...
[02:18:57] <bronzdragon> Anyway, this youtube UI looks different from others
[02:19:16] <aria> The most recetn one is all black
[02:19:49] <aria> Ive had that one for a week. I usually get the most recent one. It might be outdated by now
[02:19:54] <bronzdragon> When I go to a differetn video it's not the same one
[02:20:21] <aria> I wonder why they use firefox users for their initial testing, rather than Chrome
[02:20:31] <aria> I suppose Im most likely to report bugs
[02:20:35] -!- Coldguy [Coldguy!4b5df963@hide-B64552F4.mibbit.com] has joined #geeknights
[02:20:37] <aria> but how about chromeium users?
[02:20:41] <Coldguy> hi
[02:20:42] <bronzdragon> Hi CG
[02:20:44] <aria> Hi
[02:20:46] <nine> Hey Coldguy.
[02:20:54] <Coldguy> this is catchy
[02:20:55] <Coldguy> Jayme Gutierrez - "D.I.Y. Myspam"
[02:20:56] <bronzdragon> See! No scripts!
[02:21:06] <bronzdragon> Listen, unless you bring youtubes
[02:21:07] <Coldguy> http://www.youtube.com
[02:21:11] <bronzdragon> Or likewise things...
[02:21:13] <bronzdragon> Ah, good!
[02:21:38] <Coldguy> anyone see the random question I posted?
[02:21:53] <Coldguy> those game will be on sale I can pick up if any of your interest
[02:22:18] <aria> Repeat your random question please
[02:22:28] <bronzdragon> I don't live in the Americas, nor does Aria or Nine
[02:22:31] <aria> Anyone in here got an Nexus 7?
[02:22:34] <bronzdragon> So shipping will be expensive.
[02:22:49] <Coldguy> To Forum: Is there anything on this list that I should get - Fortress America $79.95 MSRP à now $55.00 - Eruption $44.95 MSRP à now $30.00 - Lord of the Rings: Nazgul Boardgame $79.95 MSRP à now $55.00 - Quebec $59.99 MSRP à now $40.00 - German Railways $59.99 MSRP à now $40.00 - Hansa Teutonica $49.99 MSRP à now $35.00 - First Train to Nuremberg $54.99 MSR
[02:22:57] -!- McJoe [McJoe!derpman69@hide-E0BB692B.dr02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #geeknights
[02:23:02] <McJoe> Was I summoned?
[02:23:09] <Coldguy> hi Jope
[02:23:22] <aria> Yes you were
[02:23:28] <aria> Coldguy wants boardgames
[02:23:32] <aria> But also likes money
[02:23:46] <nine> aria: McJoe. McJoe. aria.
[02:23:48] <aria> so he decided to buy boardgames for less money than theyre supposed to be bought at
[02:23:51] <McJoe> Too bad I got neither.
[02:24:28] <bronzdragon> Thanks for the offer though, Coldguy!
[02:24:34] <Coldguy> np
[02:24:40] <Coldguy> sharing is caring and i care
[02:24:48] <aria> =)
[02:24:54] <aria> Eh shipping wouldn't be that bad
[02:25:17] <aria> But still, there isn't that much money to save on boardgames when compared to buying it here
[02:25:49] <aria> Most everything else though, we have to pay a premium for
[02:27:06] <aria> So McJoe, who are you on the forums?
[02:28:05] <McJoe> Boe Joomer I think.
[02:28:13] <McJoe> Wait, did I change it when the whole Nine thing happened?
[02:28:18] <aria> Oh!
[02:28:18] <bronzdragon> Shame on you, Aria
[02:28:19] <aria> Hi
[02:28:24] <bronzdragon> Nine talked about Joe JUST NOW
[02:28:40] <aria> He didn't say "Mc Joe"
[02:28:52] <aria> He said "faggot" =P
[02:29:01] <bronzdragon> Technically true
[02:29:18] <nine> Ya.
[02:29:19] <nine> I did.
[02:29:20] <nine> He is.
[02:29:34] <bronzdragon> The faggotiest!
[02:29:45] <nine> I even named him more than just faggot.
[02:29:57] <nine> I mean, in here "faggot" ain't that uniquely descriptive, is it?
[02:30:02] <Coldguy> anyone wanna watch rda?
[02:30:10] <Coldguy> live.radiodeadair.com
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[02:30:47] <aria> Ubuntu on the Nexus has a onscreen keyboard that is a floating window and is resizable. But it kinda works. Also, it does its best to avoid where you're typing (which the ones in iOS and Android don't do. Instead they scroll the page and it sucks)
[02:30:48] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:31:08] <McJoe> There are plenty of other ways to describe me, but faggot tops the list.
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[02:31:28] <aria> Faggot as in, a bush?
[02:31:48] <bronzdragon> Nah, he smokes
[02:31:52] <bronzdragon> Or is smokin' hot?
[02:36:00] <aria> Plasma Active in the Ubuntu repos is half a year old. That's pretty bad. Espcially for use with the Nexus 7, which is where you want Plasma Active the most
[02:36:01] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:36:15] <aria> I wonder if that was anywhere close to a stableish release
[02:36:31] <okeefe> Why... install Ubuntu on a Nexus?
[02:36:32] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:36:42] <aria> No reason to
[02:36:48] <bronzdragon> Ubuntu has a mobile release, doesn't it?
[02:36:48] <aria> But it works and they provide a thing for it
[02:36:48] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:36:53] <bronzdragon> Specifically for phones?
[02:37:02] <bronzdragon> So it'll be decent, if not good.
[02:37:02] <okeefe> There's "because you can" but you might wnat to use it for everyday, right?
[02:37:05] <aria> Nah, only the nexus 7 is actually supported
[02:37:22] <bronzdragon> Okay, fine, specificallyfor the Nexus 7
[02:37:35] <bronzdragon> My point stants, Ubuntu has been modified, it's not vanilla ubuntu with Unity
[02:37:36] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:37:39] <aria> Becuase its Unity, everything feels sorta cramped
[02:37:44] <bronzdragon> yea yeah, robobuntu
[02:37:49] <aria> It is Unity
[02:38:13] <aria> It has a bunch of things to work better in terms of battery and has all the nexus 7 drivers
[02:38:20] <aria> But its still unity on a low res display
[02:38:26] <aria> On screen keyboard is really nice
[02:38:38] <aria> But still just Unity with gtk apps
[02:38:42] <nine> Churba is 116 millimetres tall.
[02:38:44] <Robobuntu> 116 millimetres, might lose...
[02:38:57] <aria> That is not very tall! =P
[02:39:02] <nine> It's not.
[02:39:07] <aria> Is that the lenght of his penis maybe?
[02:39:21] <nine> You know how I know you're gay?
[02:39:22] <aria> IDK, I can see wanting to have Ubuntu on your tablet -- I mean, I want that
[02:39:23] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:40:03] <aria> But it would be much better with Plasma active, or even gnome
[02:40:06] <aria> Tell me, nine
[02:40:25] <nine> I will let the public chatlogs speak for me.
[02:40:26] <bronzdragon> ^ I'd like to know too
[02:40:49] <bronzdragon> I mean, it'd be really awkward when i'm gettin' it in the butt from him, and then it turns out he's not really gay
[02:40:52] <bronzdragon> Or even bi
[02:41:23] <Coldguy> yay?
[02:41:40] <okeefe> ...
[02:41:52] <McJoe> If I want a tablet, I at least want something with a fuller featured OS than android.
[02:42:12] <aria> You say that--
[02:42:16] <nine> "Now to get my arse-height."
[02:42:20] <nine> -- Churba on Skype
[02:42:24] <McJoe> Ubuntu could work, maybe windows 8 if the metro actually works on tablets.
[02:42:25] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[02:42:26] <nine> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON.
[02:42:46] <aria> McJoe: I have virtualbox on my tablet
[02:42:50] <aria> And it runs kinda ok
[02:42:59] <aria> But I never end up using anything but the native stuff
[02:43:15] <bronzdragon> =P
[02:43:18] <aria> cause its 7", Im not gonna use it for anything "serious" anywya
[02:43:18] <bronzdragon> I wonder why...
[02:43:27] <aria> Its not because of lag. Its actually kinda ok
[02:43:33] <aria> Windows runs better than it does on my laptop =P
[02:44:15] <aria> I don't even use the sorta supported android emulation feature that much
[02:44:54] <nine> Fuck tablets.
[02:45:01] <nine> They offer me nothing.
[02:45:18] <aria> They fit in your pocket
[02:45:24] <aria> also dont melt
[02:47:35] <nine> Wut?
[02:47:43] <nine> Melting? What?
[02:48:49] <McJoe> Only the surface offers what I want from a tablet.
[02:49:14] <aria> Which is what?
[02:49:34] <aria> There is firefox compiled for ARM
[02:49:47] <aria> And a music player/IM client/email
[02:49:54] <bronzdragon> Do you guys like Fast Karate?
[02:49:55] <aria> are you really gonna be doing anything else on your tablet?
[02:49:57] <McJoe> A nicely sized computer which doesn't suffer from: Lack of real keyboard, lack of OS features, and something else I forgotdunnolol
[02:49:59] <bronzdragon> They are live streaming
[02:50:07] <aria> Ooo
[02:50:09] <bronzdragon> Here! http://www.twitch.tv
[02:50:14] <bronzdragon> zombiU
[02:50:18] <McJoe> Yeah, of course I would do more.
[02:50:55] <McJoe> I already have a phone, and I would rather not pay money for something that just offers a bigger screen without much more.
[02:51:29] <aria> The bigger screen makes a difference though. Browsing websites on a phone screen is almost always a shitty experience
[02:51:41] <aria> While its often just fine on something bigger
[02:51:55] <aria> My experience is mostly with 7", but also some with 10"
[02:52:01] <aria> The 7" is still too small
[02:52:20] <aria> the 10" I have is an iPad, and I don't like navigating that
[02:52:21] <Robobuntu> you can't the 10 i!
[02:52:34] <aria> So I can't really judge it fairly
[02:52:48] <McJoe> Yeah, but I don't consider the amount of money I'm paying for with a brand new device to be worth that better experience. I want to be able to do more.
[02:53:49] <McJoe> I consider most tablets at this point a big luxury, while a tablet like the surface could potentially be a good replacement for my dinky laptop without losing out.
[02:54:28] <McJoe> Depends though, maybe the surface will be shitty. I'll wait around and see how things improve.
[02:54:34] <nine> WHAT IS THIS SHIT.
[02:55:09] <bronzdragon> It's words
[02:56:15] <nine> It's McJoe TALKING on Skype and TYPING a SHITTON IN IRC.
[02:56:23] <McJoe> I am bored.
[02:57:27] <bronzdragon> McJoe, watch this ZombiU stream with us
[02:57:45] <aria> Yes watch the zombiU stream! Itll be plenty of fun
[02:57:51] <aria> On your comments:
[02:57:57] <aria> I don't think that'll be the case--
[02:58:06] <aria> At least not for me, as I use my keyboard a lot
[02:58:31] <aria> You navigate (webpages I mean) differnetly on a tablet than you do on a laptop
[02:58:49] <aria> Typing on a touchscreen just isn't as nice as with a physical keyboard
[02:59:27] <nine> aria: SHUT UP, FAST KARATE STREAM.
[03:00:00] <aria> =(
[03:00:02] <aria> But I had a point
[03:00:10] <aria> I was gonna get to it
[03:00:11] <bronzdragon> Don't be rude, Nine.
[03:00:15] <aria> but then food called my name and I had to leave
[03:00:55] <McJoe> Fast karate called to me, and now I am watching a game I'll never be able to play on the PC. :(
[03:01:41] <McJoe> I am in the chat but I have to sign up or osme shit.
[03:01:57] <aria> Oh right. It shares accounts with justintv
[03:02:00] <aria> if you have one of those
[03:02:16] <aria> But the process is quick, and interacting with Dave and Graz is plenty of fun
[03:04:48] <McJoe> Bleh, too lazy to do the whole signup shit.
[03:15:10] <bronzdragon> =O
[03:15:15] <bronzdragon> typing in shit
[03:15:22] <bronzdragon> soooo much work
[03:15:27] <bronzdragon> yeah, it should use Open ID
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[04:43:19] <Coldguy> oh
[04:43:38] <Bronzdragon> OH!
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[04:49:51] <Coldguy> it appears the catchy song I shared earlier was a hit to a live online radio audience
[04:49:56] <Coldguy> and new epiisode
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[06:22:38] <aria> Apperantly Fox News has linked to news on The Onion's website
[06:22:53] <aria> Without yknow, knowing The Onion wasn't being serious
[06:26:13] <okeefe> What headline tricked them?
[06:26:44] <aria> "Frustrated Obama sends nation rambling 75,000 word email"
[06:33:46] <okeefe> Ah, this was in 2010.
[06:34:06] <aria> Yes, probably not recently
[06:34:28] <aria> I didn't know it was 2010, but I gather from context it was not in the last week
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[17:46:20] <Bronzdragon> Hai Aria
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[17:57:17] <Bronzdragon> HAI NINE
[18:04:13] <Bronzdragon> http://images.amazon.com
[18:12:22] <nine> :|
[18:12:24] <nine> Hi Bronzdragon.
[18:12:31] <Bronzdragon> Haaaaai
[18:12:50] <Bronzdragon> 06<3PURPLE!
[18:16:21] <nine> ...
[18:16:26] <nine> 8Fuck you.
[18:16:46] <nine> 7I don't actually know from the top of my head which colour is which. But 5 is red.
[18:17:04] <nine> 6Banana yellow that shit.
[18:17:10] <nine> There we go, purple is 6.
[18:17:37] <nine> So Bronzdragon. How's your medicine going?
[18:17:55] <Bronzdragon> ... what?
[18:20:52] <nine> You've not been taking your medicine?
[18:21:00] <nine> That explains why you're acting so weird.
[18:22:25] <Bronzdragon> ... what?
[18:24:42] <nine> Exactly.
[18:24:48] <Bronzdragon> ... what?
[18:25:12] <nine> There there. Don't be sad.
[18:25:18] <nine> aria'll be back soon.
[18:25:30] <Bronzdragon> ... back from
[18:25:31] <Bronzdragon> ... what?
[18:30:31] <GauntletWizard> ...
[18:30:38] <Bronzdragon> hey GauntletWizard!
[18:30:45] <Bronzdragon> Will you wizard me some Gauntlets?
[18:30:52] <GauntletWizard> When a channel starts using irccolors
[18:30:52] <Bronzdragon> Gauntlets of magic?
[18:30:57] <GauntletWizard> that's when you know to abandon ship
[18:30:59] <Bronzdragon> Perhaps... power gauntlets?
[18:31:02] <Bronzdragon> OR GLOVES
[18:31:06] <Bronzdragon> See wehre I'm taking this?
[18:31:19] <GauntletWizard> No, because that'd be SO BAD
[18:31:42] <aria> Please don't consider nine as a channel =P
[18:32:10] <GauntletWizard> aria: No, I'm tarring everyone with the same brush here
[18:34:38] <Bronzdragon> 13Listen, 05colours 15are 02cool. Hater.
[18:34:45] <aria> ...
[18:35:04] <aria> Did you give up finding new colors near the end there?
[18:35:16] <Bronzdragon> I tried to add underline
[18:35:18] <Bronzdragon> but...
[18:35:21] <Bronzdragon> It didn't want me to.
[18:35:22] <Bronzdragon> =(
[18:35:30] <aria> I'm in a different channel <-- everyone uses a different color
[18:35:42] <Bronzdragon> Well, only because Mibbit makes you
[18:35:44] <aria> So I never check it unless someone mentions me anymore =P
[18:35:53] <aria> What do you mean Mibbit makes you?
[18:35:56] <aria> I don't use a color
[18:35:56] <Bronzdragon> Besides, they all use consistent colors
[18:36:02] <Bronzdragon> You don't use the mibbit client
[18:36:19] <aria> Wait, the Mibbit client really makes you?
[18:36:22] <aria> That is horrible...
[18:36:28] <aria> Anyway, foods, brb
[18:37:06] <Bronzdragon> Doesn't make you, but it picks one for you by default
[18:39:49] <aria> Im back
[18:39:53] <aria> and that is horrible
[18:39:57] <Bronzdragon> Yay
[18:40:03] <Bronzdragon> And awww
[18:42:46] <GauntletWizard> fuck mibbit
[18:43:01] <GauntletWizard> get a shell
[18:43:03] <Bronzdragon> Meh, just have your client filter them out.
[18:43:07] <GauntletWizard> weechat 4 lyfe
[18:43:37] <Bronzdragon> Ah remeber bein' a wee lill' chat.
[18:43:47] <GauntletWizard> (weechat+tmux is the new screen+irssi)
[18:44:13] <nine> Irssi still wins.
[18:44:13] <aria> What does weechat provide that irssi doesn't?
[18:44:18] <nine> Faggotry.
[18:44:24] <nine> 5<3 aria!
[18:44:28] <Bronzdragon> Thanks Nine, helpful
[18:44:45] <GauntletWizard> weechat has all the best irssi scripts built in
[18:45:24] <Bronzdragon> I like how the screenshot for wikipedia shows them talking about the screenshot for wikipedia
[18:46:37] <nine> So it's irssi with shovelware?
[18:46:47] <aria> Ah, but arch
[18:46:57] <aria> so installing scripts is done through the package manager and is instant
[18:47:43] <nine> >weechat
[18:47:56] <nine> >huge space-wasting colums everywhere
[18:51:04] <Bronzdragon> Nine, stop being such a negative nancy
[18:51:44] <nine> Just giving my first impression.
[18:51:53] <nine> I was expecting something small and simple.
[18:51:58] <nine> Like old µtorrent.
[18:52:04] <nine> Now there's shit everywhere.
[18:52:08] <nine> And ads.
[18:52:45] <Bronzdragon> Oh! I like ads
[18:52:48] <aria> Weechat has ads...?
[18:52:49] <Bronzdragon> They tell me what to buy!
[18:53:03] <nine> µTorrent has ads.
[18:55:20] <GauntletWizard> ads?
[18:55:53] <aria> Arch Weechat is 0.95MB
[18:56:16] <aria> And from that screenshot Bronz linked, the UI doesn't seem cluttered either
[18:59:52] <nine> Bronzdragon didn't link any screenshots.
[19:00:17] <Bronzdragon> I didn't
[19:00:35] <aria> Oh
[19:00:38] <aria> right I looked it up
[19:00:42] <Bronzdragon> =P
[19:00:49] <aria> But he mentioned a specific screenshot
[19:02:18] <Bronzdragon> That is true
[19:04:16] <nine> A specific screenshot?
[19:04:27] <nine> There's only one.
[19:04:39] <nine> Hardly to not be specific when saying wiki and screenshot.
[19:06:52] <Bronzdragon> Well, I specified beyond that
[19:06:57] <Bronzdragon> BUT YES
[19:07:02] <Bronzdragon> As always, you are correct Nine
[19:07:08] <Bronzdragon> Our special little guy, ain't you?
[19:07:45] <nine> :¬)
[19:52:22] <aria> Anyone have one of these services that give you empty credit cards to scam netflix with?
[19:53:44] <nine> No.
[19:53:49] <nine> Fuck credit cards.
[19:54:30] <Bronzdragon> ^
[19:55:05] -!- Apsup [Apsup!Aleksi@hide-B4B1B39B.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #geeknights
[19:55:58] <nine> Off for now.
[19:56:08] <nine> Also, hello Apsup.
[19:58:19] <aria> So...
[19:58:31] <aria> If you do the konami code in netflix
[19:58:35] <aria> it gives you a debug screen
[19:58:41] <aria> and that is the only way to switch logins
[20:23:11] <GauntletWizard> credit cards are awesome
[20:23:21] <GauntletWizard> How else will I live the consumerist dream?
[20:23:32] <Bronzdragon> ^
[20:25:42] <GauntletWizard> seriously, without my ten thousand dollars of credit card debt, how would I be able to fill my house with worthless tchotchkes?
[20:25:43] <Robobuntu> you can't my ten thousand!
[20:26:13] <Bronzdragon> Oh robobuntu, silly consumerist.
[20:26:18] <aria> You said it, Robobuntu!
[20:27:24] <GauntletWizard> ubuntu
[20:27:25] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[20:41:48] <nine> GauntletWizard: You could just steal them.
[20:42:01] <nine> Then you'd have your money and your worthless tchotchkes.
[20:42:03] <nine> WIN-WIN!
[20:46:39] <nine> Also, I return.
[20:48:48] <apreche> so apparently in starcraft you can queue orders
[20:48:56] <aria> As with most games
[20:48:57] <apreche> like "go build this, then go mine the crystals again"
[20:49:03] <aria> You couldn't guess that?
[20:49:09] <Bronzdragon> Yeah... order chains are hard
[20:49:10] <apreche> meanwhile I read all the hints and help in the game, that is not mentioned anywhere.
[20:49:10] <aria> No wonder you always lose
[20:49:20] <aria> Well no, its implied
[20:49:22] <aria> of course you can queue
[20:49:22] <aria> cmon
[20:49:38] <apreche> oh yeah, I should just magically know that holding shift and giving multiple orders this guy will do all fo them
[20:49:52] <Bronzdragon> Aria's bein an ass
[20:49:57] <aria> That is not magical, that is knowledge a person who has played a video game in the past knows
[20:50:04] <Bronzdragon> Anyway, I don't think this is the problem
[20:50:06] <apreche> it is magical
[20:50:15] <Bronzdragon> I think your indesisiveness is your problem
[20:50:15] <apreche> Did Warcraft 1 have that?
[20:50:18] <apreche> How about Red Alert 1?
[20:50:24] <aria> Those are very old
[20:50:25] <apreche> because those are the RTS that I played
[20:50:28] <apreche> I AM VERY OLD
[20:50:28] <okeefe> Starcraft 1 had that.
[20:50:33] <Bronzdragon> From what little youtube I saw, you seemed to just not be able to commit to clicks.
[20:50:34] <apreche> yes, I am talking about Starcraft 1
[20:50:34] <aria> I don't think CS teaches you that head clicks do more damage than non-head-clicks
[20:50:38] <apreche> which I am playing
[20:51:00] <Bronzdragon> I know all about you from your NS2 youtube, of course!
[20:51:05] <Bronzdragon> (Hi okeefe)
[20:51:11] <apreche> At least I can beat the computer now some of the time, if sloppily
[20:51:13] <apreche> and slowly
[20:51:44] <Bronzdragon> Click better
[20:51:46] <aria> The computer is actually kinda tough
[20:51:59] <apreche> is it?
[20:52:10] <apreche> I've noticed that you can tell if you are beating it because it won't attack
[20:52:11] <aria> I mean, not as though as human players, but don't expect to win the first time you play
[20:52:15] <Bronzdragon> The computer has a hard time dumming itself down.
[20:52:15] <apreche> if it attacks you the, you know you are already losing.
[20:52:23] <nine> "so apparently in starcraft you can queue orders" I told you this yesterday.
[20:52:49] <apreche> yesterday someone told me I could press B to automatically select a barracks
[20:52:54] <apreche> which is not the case
[20:52:58] <apreche> I still have to find it and click on it
[20:53:31] <apreche> I want to be able to, for example, look at the enemy base, and order marines to be built
[20:53:39] <apreche> without ever moving my view off the enemy base
[20:53:44] <apreche> is that possible?
[20:54:06] <nine> Also, there's this option panel with keybindings in it. One of these is probably 'queue orders'.
[20:54:09] <Bronzdragon> hey, apreche, in Street fighter, is it possible to punch twice with presing the button only once
[20:54:16] <nine> Wut?
[20:54:21] <nine> No wonder I suck at the game.
[20:54:24] <Bronzdragon> So you input a special move, but the punch counts as a normal punch too?
[20:54:35] <apreche> where is that option panel?
[20:54:37] <apreche> I was looking for one
[20:54:44] <apreche> I clicked menu and could not find i
[20:54:45] <aria> Esc, then options
[20:54:54] <apreche> I tried that
[20:54:59] <apreche> it only had video, sound, and game options
[20:55:01] <apreche> no control options
[20:55:08] <aria> Really?
[20:55:23] <apreche> yes
[20:55:23] <apreche> really
[20:55:27] <apreche> I will screenshot when I get home
[20:55:35] <Bronzdragon> http://starcraft.wikia.com
[20:55:43] <Bronzdragon> Apperantly, B is for build barracks
[20:55:56] <apreche> yes, I know that
[20:55:58] <Bronzdragon> But at least as soon as you select the Barracks, you can spam M for marrines
[20:56:05] <apreche> I know that also
[20:56:06] <Bronzdragon> *marines
[20:56:14] <Bronzdragon> Oh, nevermind then
[20:56:24] <apreche> well, I only knew it starting yesterday
[20:56:44] <apreche> I realize, though, that is the #1 control hangup I have in the RTS
[20:56:49] <apreche> is needing to click on buildings
[20:56:54] <apreche> if all these things were globally accessible
[20:56:56] <nine> One that has existed for a looooooong time.
[20:57:09] <apreche> in NS2 I had the same problem
[20:57:14] <nine> No control options? WELP, shit console port, would not play.
[20:57:15] <apreche> I have to click on the observatory to be able to scan
[20:57:17] <Bronzdragon> things are globally accessible in Red Alert 2...
[20:57:18] <Bronzdragon> I think also 1
[20:57:24] <Bronzdragon> And other C&C games.
[20:57:37] <nine> Control groups.
[20:57:52] <apreche> yeha, I been controlling unit groups with ctrl+1 and such
[20:57:56] <apreche> but that doesn't do anything for buildings
[20:58:08] <Bronzdragon> ... control group for buildings
[20:58:13] <Bronzdragon> (Just sayin' man)
[20:58:19] <apreche> how does that work?
[20:58:24] <Bronzdragon> Oh, I should mention, I've never played starcraft
[20:58:32] <Bronzdragon> Well, once
[20:59:04] <nine> It's quite amazing, though quite unsurprising, that Apreche knows jack shit about things yet makes judgement calls about them all the time.
[20:59:27] <apreche> there are certain judgements that can only be seen by one who is not familiar
[20:59:46] <nine> Uninformed opinions are useless though.
[20:59:55] <apreche> depends on what the opinion is of
[20:59:58] <nine> Which is what your stuff boils down to.
[21:00:09] <nine> That's just your opinion.
[21:00:12] <apreche> a fighting game expert can tell you if a fighting game is balanced
[21:00:17] <apreche> whereas a nub can not
[21:00:38] <apreche> but an expert can't tell you whether it is intuitive to nubs, because they already have the knowledge.
[21:00:41] <apreche> only a nub can tell you that.
[21:00:44] <nine> The expert doesn't voice his opinion.
[21:01:53] <nine> And intuitive is so fucking variable from person to person you can find a person thinking it's unintuitive for almost anything.
[21:02:26] <apreche> that's why it's an opinion
[21:02:48] <nine> Yup, and they're useless.
[21:03:03] <nine> Unless you're the developer, but even then.
[21:03:21] <apreche> the point is that this shit is very poorly documented, and even youtube tutorials are not very helpful.
[21:03:33] <nine> Some people are too dumb to breathe, or see hotkeys in the menu and use them.
[21:03:45] <aria> Eh...
[21:03:53] <aria> sometimes you can tell if something is intutive from knowing people
[21:04:21] <nine> I've played like 2 RTS games in my life, and even I know you can queue up shit.
[21:04:22] <apreche> ever hear the story of the bloomberg machines?
[21:04:49] <apreche> http://uchicagoeconomist.files.wordpress.com
[21:04:53] <apreche> stock market people use these things
[21:04:55] <apreche> look at that keyboard
[21:04:59] <apreche> and that ui
[21:05:04] <apreche> it is awful and horrible to learn
[21:05:12] <apreche> but people keep using it and defending it
[21:05:18] <nine> Kinda hard to make anything out, but I can see it's just tables with headers.
[21:05:19] <apreche> they even admit it is hard, intentionally so
[21:05:45] <apreche> it makes them feel good about themselves that they have mastered this arcane UI
[21:05:51] <apreche> many companies have made much easier things
[21:05:56] <apreche> that use normal keyboards and mice
[21:06:13] <nine> That looks like quite a normal keyboard.
[21:06:17] <nine> With some extra keys.
[21:06:22] <apreche> the buttons aren't what you think they are
[21:06:39] <nine> I don't think anything about them, because I CAN'T SEE SHIT SHERLOCK.
[21:06:50] <nine> I can make no judgement beyond "Normal keyboard with extra keys".
[21:07:22] <apreche> the point is that it makes people feel good that they have mastered this unnecessarily obtuse interface.
[21:07:33] <apreche> so efforts to simplify it and make it accessible make those peopel angry.
[21:07:39] <apreche> and they actively fight against it
[21:08:01] <nine> I don't think it's the case they feel good for having trained their muscle memory.
[21:08:12] <nine> They get angry because they don't want to relearn.
[21:08:24] <nine> Equally likely possibility.
[21:08:35] <apreche> except these people explicitly say
[21:08:53] <nine> Have you asked every one of them?
[21:08:58] <apreche> yes
[21:09:00] <apreche> many
[21:09:05] <GauntletWizard> goddamnit
[21:09:14] <GauntletWizard> I need a headed linux machine
[21:09:16] <nine> Do give me the print out of the conversations.
[21:09:25] <nine> I'm interested in reading it in full.
[21:09:30] <GauntletWizard> My work machines can't install sdl
[21:09:40] <GauntletWizard> for reasons that are probably actually just stupid
[21:09:42] <apreche> yeah sure, i'll get right on that
[21:11:02] <nine> I'll be eating in the meantime.
[21:13:20] <nine> Looking at the wiki page this shit it's easy as fuck.
[21:13:50] <nine> Even before I noticed the explanations of the keys I could figure out what shit roughly did.
[21:13:56] <nine> And then I learn it's even easier.
[21:14:43] <nine> If I worked in stocks I'd understand all this terminology, because that's part of my job then, and it'd be trivial to use.
[21:16:32] <apreche> It's quite amazing, though quite unsurprising, that nine knows jack shit about things yet makes judgement calls about them all the time.
[21:16:56] <nine> Not all the time.
[21:17:00] <nine> I don't have a podcast to do so.
[21:17:05] <apreche> right now
[21:17:23] <apreche> so lazy and unproductive as well
[21:17:39] <nine> Hey, don't hate because I can figure out that CRNCY means Currency.
[21:17:42] <apreche> doesn't cost anything to "have" a podcast
[21:18:02] <apreche> yeah, but what does the button do?
[21:18:17] <nine> Cost? Disk space, hosting space, uptime, time in general to make.
[21:18:20] <nine> To name a few.
[21:18:30] <nine> It shows you something related to currencies.
[21:18:41] <apreche> that's not very specific now is it?
[21:18:42] <nine> Reading shows me it brings you to the exchange rates.
[21:18:54] <nine> That's typing faster than me.
[21:19:31] <nine> It's not very specific because neither of us work in the stock market, so we don't know what "currency markets" encompasses.
[21:20:11] <nine> If you want to find something about commodities you'll type in the commodity/commodity code, hit COMDTY and go.
[21:20:15] <nine> POOF!
[21:20:26] <nine> Screen filled with stock market shit about that commodity.
[21:21:03] <nine> It's unintuitive if you know nothing about stock markets and the jargon associated.
[21:21:17] <nine> If you work with those terminals you know that shit though.
[21:21:18] <apreche> it's unintuitive to people who do know
[21:21:20] <nine> Because it's your job.
[21:21:27] <apreche> its a skill in itself, like learning to control an RTS
[21:21:40] <apreche> even if you know about war and field tacticts
[21:21:44] <apreche> you need to learn this unrelated control scheme
[21:21:50] <nine> How is "TYPE IN STOCK NAME, HIT RELEVANT MARKET BUTTON, HIT GO, READ" unintuitive?
[21:21:53] <apreche> general of the army isn't going to win at Starcraft
[21:22:23] <apreche> if only the machine worked that way. remember, it has no mouse.
[21:22:27] <apreche> and it's not like it has vim controls
[21:22:36] <nine> General of the army is also not going to request a barracks to be constructed in the middle of nowhere to poop out trained marines.
[21:22:58] <nine> It has no mouse? It says right here you can just use a mouse.
[21:23:05] <nine> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[21:23:09] <nine> HEll, there's a fucking mouse in this picture.
[21:23:09] <apreche> in the real world very few have mouses
[21:23:14] <nine> Level of shit, maximum.
[21:23:32] <nine> You don't need mouses with keyboard shortcuts.
[21:23:43] <apreche> people have developed competing products that have standard modern GUIs
[21:23:47] <nine> Especially with so many clearly labelled and pre-programmed function keys.
[21:23:48] <apreche> like software you just install on Windows
[21:24:12] <nine> Doesn't make the existing keyboard unintuitive as far as I can see.
[21:24:15] <apreche> and people don't like it because it means all the time they spent learning this keybard is now obsolete.
[21:24:33] <apreche> if someone made an RTS that was easier to control, pros would probably be upset.
[21:24:40] <nine> The hardest part of the stock market is understanding the stocks.
[21:24:45] <nine> Not the keyboard.
[21:25:01] <nine> Go try it.
[21:25:02] <apreche> no, the hardest part is having enough money to start with.
[21:25:05] <nine> You can program.
[21:25:11] <nine> Program an easier to control RTS.
[21:25:15] <nine> See if the pros get upset.
[21:25:28] <nine> Okay, excepting the money requirement.
[21:25:45] <nine> Also, you don't need to have a cent to your name to understand the stocks.
[21:26:15] <apreche> well, you can understand how it works via reading books and sites
[21:26:27] <apreche> but to get serious at all you need market data
[21:26:29] <apreche> which is very expensive
[21:26:42] <apreche> not even counting the money you need for the actual investing.
[21:27:52] <nine> Yeah, sure.
[21:27:58] <nine> I just said understand though.
[21:28:04] <nine> Not up-to-date.
[21:28:17] <nine> Or actually participating.
[21:32:31] <apreche> original point
[21:32:42] <apreche> I would suck less at RTS if I didn't have to unnecessarily keep going back to base to click on buildings.
[21:34:28] <nine> You'd suck less if you were faster.
[21:34:30] <nine> Same result.
[21:34:34] <nine> Also, hotkeys.
[21:34:43] <apreche> what hotkey lets me do that?
[21:34:52] <apreche> I'm still looking
[21:35:39] <nine> Iunno, I don't play that game.
[21:35:56] <nine> I'd just use a control group for some stuff.
[21:36:04] <apreche> control groups are for units
[21:36:08] <apreche> not buildings
[21:36:13] <nine> Which are units.
[21:36:35] <apreche> how cna a building be a unit?
[21:36:43] <nine> Video games.
[21:39:29] <Apsup> If you still talk about SC 1, control groups are for everything and everyone.
[21:39:35] <Apsup> Buildings and units.
[21:39:42] <apreche> how does that work?
[21:40:09] <apreche> what if I put a barracks and two marines in control group 1
[21:40:14] <apreche> then I press 1
[21:40:17] <nine> Select buildings. Assign control group.
[21:40:19] <nine> TADAAA.
[21:40:19] <apreche> what is in the bottom right of the screen?
[21:40:26] <nine> Iunno.
[21:40:28] <apreche> the orders for the marines, or the orders for the barracks?
[21:40:29] <nine> Go do science.
[21:40:33] <apreche> not home right now
[21:40:47] <nine> Or don't put combat units in with buildings.
[21:41:19] <apreche> if I give a move order will the barracks lift off and move with the marine escort?
[21:41:25] <nine> apreche: you'll be home at the end of the day.
[21:41:27] <apreche> can it build new marines while floating?
[21:41:29] <nine> Send yourself an e-mail.
[21:41:40] <nine> Can your house move?
[21:41:43] <apreche> actually no
[21:41:46] <apreche> doing shit all night
[21:41:51] <apreche> won't be home until bedtime
[21:41:56] <nine> Send yourself an e-mail for the futute then.
[21:42:00] <apreche> you know, life
[21:42:06] <nine> When you have time to do science and GASP, learn the game.
[21:42:23] <nine> brb dishes
[21:42:29] <apreche> hard to learn when no instructions, and noone is helpful
[21:42:53] <Bronzdragon> I try =(
[21:46:12] <apreche> OMG
[21:46:16] <apreche> finally found a youtube video that isn't awful
[21:46:20] <apreche> http://www.youtube.com
[21:47:50] <Bronzdragon> ... really?
[21:48:12] <Bronzdragon> 15 second bad metal slideshow intro...
[21:48:19] <Bronzdragon> yeah, it's terrible
[21:48:20] <apreche> that part is bad
[21:48:29] <apreche> but after that it is actually helpful
[21:48:38] <apreche> and compared to other videos....
[21:48:57] <nine> Oh, in regards to selecting marines and the barracks at the same time.
[21:49:12] <nine> It's probably going to just select the marines and not the barracks in that situation.
[21:50:40] <apreche> the one part he's not covering
[21:50:44] <apreche> you build a new scv
[21:50:47] <apreche> how do you order it to start mining?
[21:50:51] <aria> So apreche, do you only ever play headclicking games?
[21:50:52] <apreche> you have to go back to base and click on it?
[21:50:54] <aria> No wonder you think so highly of them
[21:51:07] <apreche> I play a lot of games
[21:51:20] <apreche> pretty much every kind
[21:51:20] <aria> Just not fighting games, adventrue games or RTSs
[21:51:30] <aria> Also not racing games
[21:51:32] <apreche> i play all those kinds
[21:51:51] <aria> Having tried and scoffed at is not playing it
[21:51:56] <Bronzdragon> Hay, Control Group'd a building
[21:52:01] <Bronzdragon> told ya that's how you do it.
[21:52:07] <apreche> apparently so
[21:52:07] <aria> If you played RTSs, using a keyboard wouldn't be so foreign to you
[21:52:27] <apreche> I have played RTS
[21:52:31] <apreche> I've just never played htem well
[21:53:14] <apreche> the keyboard is not alien to me, I vim all day
[21:53:15] <nine> Or so you say.
[21:53:20] <Bronzdragon> Aria does not know what the term "tech tree" means.
[21:55:46] <nine> The keyboard is not alien to you when using vim.
[21:55:59] <aria> Vim is unintutive as fuck
[21:56:08] <Bronzdragon> ^
[21:56:09] <apreche> nobody said it wasn't
[21:56:11] <aria> But you still prefer it once you've mastered it
[21:56:16] <nine> It was/is alien to you when in a game.
[21:56:20] <aria> Its the same thing with other keyboard layouts
[21:56:45] <aria> Also I can't imagine how you can be okay with using a webbrowser with a mouse
[21:56:57] <apreche> I only relaly use the mouse to click on links
[21:57:00] <apreche> or middle-click
[21:57:03] <apreche> otherwise, keyboard
[21:57:18] <aria> But you don't have vimperator, so the keyboard sucks
[21:57:20] <nine> Mouse-only browsing. D:
[21:57:27] <nine> Actually, I'm close enough to that.
[21:57:35] <nine> I use very few shortcuts.
[21:57:39] <apreche> how does the keybaord suck?
[21:57:44] <apreche> ctrl+l goes to location bar
[21:57:49] <nine> How often do you open your history after all.
[21:57:49] <apreche> type urls, press enter
[21:57:53] <aria> Requires modifyings, scrolling and seeking no good
[21:57:55] <apreche> pgup/pgdn scrolling
[21:58:02] <apreche> ctrl+t new tab
[21:58:04] <nine> ctrl+l, ctrl+tab, ctrl+r.
[21:58:04] <apreche> ctrl+w close tab
[21:58:09] <nine> Oh yeah.
[21:58:11] <nine> that one too.
[21:58:14] <apreche> ctrl+tab change tab
[21:58:20] <nine> ctrl+shift+tab.
[21:58:20] <apreche> that's pretty much it
[21:58:25] <nine> ctrl+shift+t.
[21:58:28] <nine> That's about it.
[21:58:31] <aria> Yeah, now imagine doing that without all the ctrls
[21:58:38] <nine> Blech.
[21:58:38] <aria> So many fewer keystroeks/minute!
[21:58:39] <apreche> oh yeah, reopen closed tab
[21:58:45] <nine> I use the new tab buttons sometimes with the mouse.
[21:58:50] <nine> For example, when fapping.
[21:58:54] <apreche> I'm good with the ctrls, I got HHK
[21:58:58] <apreche> turn caps lock into control
[21:59:09] <nine> Not "turn caps lock into control".
[21:59:10] <aria> c far from L
[21:59:13] <Bronzdragon> but... it's still an extray key
[21:59:14] <nine> HHK has no caps lock to change.
[21:59:21] <aria> Where did half my sentence go?!
[21:59:32] <apreche> yes, which is why I tell people without HHK to change
[21:59:37] <aria> "capslock is far from L"
[21:59:44] <nine> You have two hands.
[21:59:53] <nine> Learn to touch-type.
[22:00:02] <apreche> easier to hit caps+l than caps+a because they are far
[22:00:10] <apreche> better than old IE used to only be able to do alt+d
[22:00:13] <apreche> worst shortcut ever
[22:00:32] <nine> caps+a (actually ctrl+a for me because I actually have a caps lock to change to ctrl) works fine for me.
[22:00:39] <apreche> time to burn da wheels
[22:00:39] <nine> Because I have a non-default hand position.
[22:00:48] <nine> When holding left shift.
[22:00:50] <nine> Fuck right shift.
[22:01:00] <aria> Right shift is totally useful
[22:01:20] <nine> It's too far down.
[22:01:31] <nine> My hands are slightly askew on the keyboards.
[22:01:49] <nine> Backspace/enter are in reach of my right pinky, putting the right shift a bit too far down.
[22:02:06] <nine> I don't have my wrists next to each other for right shift to be useful.
[22:02:07] <okeefe> I can use vi but I prefer emacs. My capslock has been a control for a long, long time.
[22:02:09] <aria> I move my hands while typing
[22:02:14] <Bronzdragon> By the time I'm ready to hit enter, I usually take my hand off of the keyboard
[22:02:51] <nine> I'm the only trained touch typist here, aren't i?
[22:02:53] <nine> I*
[22:03:04] <aria> I wouldn't say Im trained..
[22:03:07] <Bronzdragon> I'm trained!
[22:03:08] <aria> but I don't look at the keyboard
[22:03:10] <Bronzdragon> I took a course!
[22:03:24] <nine> Did you get a paper at the end?
[22:03:27] <aria> In fact, Im looking away from the keyboard now because of where your window is is too far away
[22:03:30] <Bronzdragon> Mandatory school course
[22:03:35] <Bronzdragon> so yes... I got a dimploma
[22:03:45] <nine> But not a paper for the course.
[22:03:54] <Apsup> Well Scott, I've tested and yes, beating computer in Starcraft 1 is kinda hard. But now I know what building upgrades the marine armor and weapons so try three.
[22:04:24] <aria> However, I can move my hands and still be able to position them so that I can continue typing without having to look down. Its useful when hitting left shift
[22:04:50] <nine> I don't move my hands a lot when typing.
[22:04:57] <nine> Mostly my fingers just spazzing all over the keys.
[22:05:07] <aria> I only move them slighlty
[22:05:18] <aria> My right hand goes up and down a bit, my left hand right and left a bit
[22:05:29] <nine> I had a neighbour, a year or two younger than me who pecked faster than me typing.
[22:05:31] <aria> But its only 1 key row worth of movement
[22:05:40] <nine> 2-finger pecking is viable.
[22:05:44] <nine> Just gotta peck fast.
[22:06:12] <aria> ...
[22:06:15] <aria> on an ipad, I peck
[22:06:19] <aria> I can't touchtype on ipads
[22:06:24] <nine> My default finger location is ShiftSDFJKL;.
[22:06:41] <aria> Whenever I try, I spelleverything horrifyingly wrong
[22:06:45] <okeefe> I can touchtype an iPad in landscape, but it has to be sitting on a table or something.
[22:06:46] <nine> Though semi-colon is lingering towards backspace.
[22:06:55] <Bronzdragon> not ADSF JKL;?
[22:07:04] <aria> mine is shift awd space
[22:07:12] <Bronzdragon> ... your backspace is near your ;?
[22:07:15] <nine> I haven't had the displeasure of touchtyping on a touch screen.
[22:07:15] <Bronzdragon> I want your keyboard!
[22:07:31] <Bronzdragon> You can't touchtype on a touch screen
[22:07:44] <Bronzdragon> It's littearlly impossible, because you have no way to tell wether your fingers are drifting
[22:07:55] <nine> Aye.
[22:07:55] <Bronzdragon> Also, dispite training, I'm a slow typer.
[22:07:59] <Bronzdragon> *despite
[22:08:00] <nine> Aye.
[22:08:08] <nine> Speed comes with just typing a lot.
[22:08:15] <nine> And not slacking off when typing.
[22:09:13] <Bronzdragon> Meeeh, I like slacking.
[22:09:38] <nine> Yup.
[22:09:43] <nine> No pressure to be speedy.
[22:09:55] <nine> The only pressure I have when typing on the internet is typing properly.
[22:10:08] <nine> Which is why my fingers linger so near to backspace for when I make a typo.
[22:10:10] <nine> Quick to correct.
[22:10:29] <nine> Also, my left ring finger can handle zaq fine.
[22:10:38] <nine> I mean, how often do you type capital Z?
[22:10:40] <nine> Or Q?
[22:10:55] <Bronzdragon> Quiche!
[22:11:02] <aria> Captial Z is super useful
[22:11:04] <nine> I hate that shit, so I rarely type it.
[22:11:07] <aria> its how you save and close things
[22:11:11] <nine> Let alone at the start of a sentence.
[22:11:13] <Bronzdragon> You know who my favorite Next Generation character is?
[22:11:16] <Bronzdragon> It's Q.
[22:11:24] <nine> Save and close things?
[22:11:33] <aria> ZZ
[22:11:35] <Bronzdragon> Q is often Quit.
[22:11:39] <Bronzdragon> ZZ for VIM
[22:11:43] <Bronzdragon> ViM?
[22:11:46] <Bronzdragon> Vim?
[22:11:47] <nine> :wq
[22:11:47] <Bronzdragon> vim?
[22:11:48] <nine> For vim.
[22:11:54] <Bronzdragon> That's a collon!
[22:11:58] <aria> Yes, q for closing everything else
[22:11:58] <nine> Aye.
[22:11:59] <Bronzdragon> You don't need no damn collons!
[22:12:02] <nine> Command write quit.
[22:13:08] <aria> ZZ is way quicker
[22:13:17] <nine> Not really.
[22:14:03] <aria> Much much quicker. Takes about 1% of the time required for :wq
[22:14:15] <aria> :wq is about half a second for me
[22:14:17] <aria> a bit less
[22:14:21] <aria> ZZ is instant
[22:14:22] <nine> You're slow.
[22:14:44] <aria> Alright not half a second
[22:14:46] <nine> ZZ is impossible to be instant due to the requirement to hit the same key twice.
[22:14:57] <aria> but its about as long as typing a 3 letter word. Slower than a 2 letter one
[22:15:21] <nine> Shift. Z, depress, Z.
[22:15:27] <okeefe> http://xkcd.com
[22:15:34] <nine> VS. Shift, ;, wq, enter
[22:15:52] <nine> You can overlap keypresses due to not having to press the same key multiple times.
[22:15:58] <nine> Also muscle memory.
[22:16:09] <nine> They're both quick.
[22:16:27] <nine> Whichever you prefer will be the fastest for you due to muscle memory.
[22:24:24] <nine> :wq
[22:24:33] <Bronzdragon> Wrong window
[22:24:40] <nine> :D
[23:06:21] <nine> HUZZAH!
[23:06:26] <nine> It's the 21st.
[23:10:02] <aria> =O
[23:12:11] <nine> =D
[23:18:46] <Apsup> It has been a while now.
[23:20:34] <Apsup> Fun fact: 255 battles in Final Fantasy take time. Long time.
[23:20:55] <aria> Also guns in Sniper Elite v2 are the worst guns
[23:21:15] <aria> the bulletdrop is so that you can't aim where you wanna hit beyond a meter inf ront of you
[23:21:23] <aria> you can litterally sidestep to avoid bullets
[23:21:29] <aria> As in, you see them coming
[23:21:34] <aria> the of the way
[23:22:00] <aria> Also, when using a tommygun (hipfire) your crossair is the size of the screen