#geeknights | Logs for 2012-11-15

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[00:18:34] <Bronzdragon> ... Can you explicitly imply something?
[00:18:40] <Bronzdragon> Is that at all possible?
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[01:23:31] <Bronzdragon> I'll assume all of you are gone again
[01:23:46] <Bronzdragon> I'd like to be proven wrong, as is usually the case.
[01:28:07] <aria> Is it now I start talking about Dark Souls?
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[03:55:29] <aria> Why do I need to compile 30 packages to just use skype?
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[04:55:44] <spacejam> anyone own photoshop here?
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[15:03:48] <bronzdragon> HEY PEEPS
[15:03:58] <bronzdragon> HOW IS THE THINGS WITH THE THING WHERE THE THING IS THE THING
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[15:06:43] <Apsup> thinglike?
[15:06:43] <Banta> morning everyone
[15:06:52] <Apsup> afternoon/evening
[15:06:59] <Banta> that
[15:07:07] <Banta> is actually true for me as well
[15:07:18] <Banta> graveyard shifts, gotta love them
[15:09:07] <ProfPangloss|Work> Oh man
[15:09:17] <ProfPangloss|Work> Thank god it's not the WinZip guy who's suspect for murder
[15:09:21] <ProfPangloss|Work> That trial would go on fucking forever
[15:10:10] <Apsup> One of those infinite trials?
[15:10:47] <bronzdragon> hey Banta, Apsup, ProfPangloss|Work .
[15:11:13] <bronzdragon> I tried to think of a pun with zipties and murder
[15:11:29] <bronzdragon> Non were tasteful OR funny.... I feel I'm overlooking something obvious
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[15:13:11] <bronzdragon> Oh hey!
[15:13:13] <Banta> lower standards?
[15:13:46] <aria> Ive got lower standards? Than what?
[15:14:11] <bronzdragon> I assume Banta, aria and ProfPangloss|Work.
[15:14:21] <bronzdragon> Since they don't like my jokes!
[15:14:33] <Banta> you haven't told us any
[15:14:36] <Banta> -_-
[15:15:33] <aria> He does that
[15:16:00] <bronzdragon> Oh hey, this guy uses Ubuntu
[15:16:01] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:16:14] <bronzdragon> It's fallback though....
[15:16:19] <bronzdragon> Not unity
[15:16:22] <bronzdragon> Not gnome...?
[15:16:55] <aria> Who is this guy?
[15:17:34] <bronzdragon> Numberphile guy
[15:17:43] <bronzdragon> He's a teacher at some university.
[15:17:45] <bronzdragon> http://www.youtube.com
[15:20:06] <Banta> http://www.npr.org
[15:20:08] <aria> Mega 64 with wigs and makeup at e3 http://youtu.be
[15:20:18] <Banta> excellent title, and excellent image
[15:23:10] <bronzdragon> ... Rocko makes a pretty convincing girl.
[15:24:09] <aria> Bronz Im pretty sure thats just gnome 2, rather than gnome 3 fallback or unity fallback (which doesn't exist anymore)
[15:24:35] <aria> Gnome 2 still has security patches and things that can get backported
[15:24:41] <aria> although I guess thats rare
[15:24:51] <bronzdragon> meeeeeeeeeeh
[15:25:08] <aria> What makes you say its Ubuntu though?
[15:25:09] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:25:35] <aria> I mean, it was a gnome 2/xfce-like two split panel thing
[15:25:39] <aria> But it could be any OS
[15:25:48] <aria> well, any OS other than Windows
[15:26:05] <bronzdragon> ... Did he not--
[15:26:11] <bronzdragon> Yeah, you're right
[15:26:24] <bronzdragon> I dunno, I saw the gnome terminal, and iwas like "Ubuntu!" but it's not...
[15:26:25] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:26:44] <bronzdragon> Well, it could be, but that's not the point
[15:26:53] <bronzdragon> I apologize for jumping to conclusions
[15:26:55] <aria> Gnome terminal is shipped with almost every gnome-shipping distro
[15:27:28] <aria> Oh its Ubuntu =P
[15:27:29] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:27:46] <aria> Unless he uses the ugly ambience gtk theme on non-ubuntu
[15:27:47] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:27:53] <bronzdragon> ... what's wrong with Omnutia?
[15:28:22] <bronzdragon> I honestly don't know why http://forum.frontrowcrew.com this was said
[15:28:32] <aria> (I think Ambience looks good mind you. But it looks bad when its not in a Unity enviornment/when it has menus and such)
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[15:31:43] <bronzdragon> hi again Apsup.
[15:32:12] <aria> I think maybe I got what he means
[15:32:47] <bronzdragon> Because bad eyesight?
[15:32:49] <aria> He's just saying in a overly complicated way that the cost/lifespan of a console is about equal to that of a GPU
[15:33:11] <bronzdragon> That's not entirely true though...
[15:33:21] <bronzdragon> You don't have the same computer for 10 years
[15:33:22] <Robobuntu> you can't for 10 years!
[15:33:28] <bronzdragon> And that's how long the xbox has been doing it's thing
[15:34:24] <aria> Oh the "You should probably see a doctor" part? nah that's "I'm the master wordsmith of New England! None of proper mental health misunderstands my wise guideings! Begone with you, illiterate filth!"
[15:34:48] <bronzdragon> But it seems unduely mean...
[15:34:58] <bronzdragon> I tried to be humble in asking what he means!
[15:35:09] <bronzdragon> I lay my heart open, and he stepped on it =(
[15:35:14] <aria> =(
[15:35:18] <aria> Aww poor you
[15:35:20] <bronzdragon> Wait, this is logged...
[15:35:23] <bronzdragon> Uhm...
[15:35:25] <bronzdragon> =P
[15:41:09] <aria> Why does this CS:GO video have all these weird screeneffects?
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[15:43:49] <aria> Why am I even watc-- I just watched to the end a 4 minute video of a dude shooting at other dudes
[15:44:04] <aria> it wasn't very exciting. Someone please link me something shiny and distracting
[15:44:24] <bronzdragon> http://www.youtube.com
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[15:46:21] <aria> =')
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[16:04:12] <Apsup> Interesting, I seem to have small disconnect everytime I play CS:Go. I wonder why.
[16:04:56] <bronzdragon> Your network card is all "Wait, TWO THINGS? Geeze Louise, take it easy man!"
[16:05:22] <Apsup> Why would my network card call me Louise?
[16:06:10] <bronzdragon> How would your network card know your real name?
[16:06:13] <bronzdragon> It's just guessing.
[16:07:44] <aria> That's a pretty good guess though
[16:07:53] <aria> I'd go with that guess too
[16:09:33] <Apsup> Louise sounds like a jazz player.
[16:11:51] <bronzdragon> jazzin' around
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[16:19:56] <Apsup> Why do I have this annoying feeling like I haven't been sleeping in over 24 hours? I slept last night, I should be full of energy still at this time of the day.
[16:20:32] <Banta> coming down from a sugar rush or caffeine high?
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[16:27:46] <Apsup> This time I didn't even play anything. Irssi what are you doing?
[16:32:20] <aria> Irssi has this thingit does where it doesn't like you.
[16:34:47] <Apsup> :[
[16:34:56] <bronzdragon> Right in the source code
[16:35:03] <bronzdragon> they don't like Louises
[16:36:00] <aria> http://youtu.be
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[16:37:35] <bronzdragon> Black dude can't stop laughing.
[16:38:47] <bronzdragon> Y'know what, I can't follow what she's saying.
[16:40:37] <aria> Neither could I
[16:41:48] <Apsup> 4 guys with masks robbing a bank. Is this the latest episode of Arrow or let's play of Payday: the heist?
[16:42:04] <aria> What is Arrow?
[16:42:06] <bronzdragon> Aria, this one is for you; http://i.imgur.com
[16:42:09] <aria> Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine",
[16:42:20] <aria> ...Why did I have that in my clipboard?
[16:45:02] <aria> Yes! It fucking worked
[16:45:08] <Apsup> aria: Arrow is the new (green) arrow series. It's kinda like batman except main character kills people with bow and arrows.
[16:45:08] <bronzdragon> yaaay
[16:45:12] <aria> Skype finally uses my gtk theme. It's still ugly because skyupe is ugly
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[16:45:23] <bronzdragon> We know the green Arrow!
[16:45:26] <aria> but at least it doesn't look like a windows95 application anymore
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[16:47:32] <aria> Well fuck..
[16:47:41] <aria> It wokred just now!
[16:47:48] <bronzdragon> why fuck?
[16:50:16] <aria> ^o)
[16:50:29] <aria> So when I do "export GTK2_RC_FILES="/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0"" it works
[16:50:33] <aria> For one session
[16:50:40] <aria> then next time I start skype again it's ugly
[16:51:07] <bronzdragon> I see
[16:51:19] <bronzdragon> So.. "Stupid skype =(", basically?
[16:51:27] <aria> But it's weird
[16:51:49] <aria> Why would skype change my gtkrc?
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[17:49:16] <aria> ...
[17:49:21] <aria> So I watched this youtube
[17:50:23] <aria> Of Peach bitching at Koopa about not wanting to marry him and how she knew Mario was gonna save her and such
[17:50:35] <aria> it was in Japanese with no subtitles, from an old Mario cartoon movie
[17:50:48] <aria> Couple of comments down, but first one I read
[17:50:56] <aria> " sakura haruno 1 month ago
[17:50:56] <aria> is japanese´╗┐ rigth??? because bowser says "demo" and that mean in english "but" i now that cause i speak japenes english and spanish but i speak more english than japenese cause i'm from the usa
[17:51:00] <aria> ^^"
[17:51:42] <aria> It does not sound like you speak English or Japanese, miss.
[18:20:41] <apreche> if you have a function on your web site that causes an email to be sent
[18:20:53] <apreche> you can allow users to configure the recipient or the message, but not both
[18:20:57] <apreche> otherwise, you just setup a spam machine
[18:21:41] <aria> Sounds about right
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[18:33:41] <Bronzdragon> Hai
[19:05:14] <apreche> hai
[19:05:58] <Bronzdragon> wazzap, apreche
[19:06:07] <apreche> workin'
[19:11:17] <Bronzdragon> I see
[19:11:19] <Bronzdragon> workin' hard
[19:14:37] <Apsup> Counter Strike or Dota? I want to play both so ask as a tie breaker.
[19:15:14] <Bronzdragon> I don't like Dota
[19:15:39] <Apsup> Did I ask what you like?
[19:16:01] <apreche> I like the core of DotA, but not the reality
[19:16:11] <apreche> If I could make any game right now, it would be a DotA remix
[19:16:30] <apreche> same basic idea, 5v5 defending or capturing on isometric map
[19:16:42] <Bronzdragon> But turn based?
[19:16:45] <apreche> no
[19:16:53] <apreche> not turn basd
[19:17:17] <apreche> but no zillion items to memorize
[19:17:19] <Apsup> If Valve ever actually released Dota 2 it will probably be super moddable, so...
[19:17:28] <apreche> maybe
[19:17:46] <apreche> what's that other game they made
[19:17:49] <apreche> alien storm?
[19:18:03] <apreche> no, that's a genesis game
[19:18:11] <apreche> love that stupid game
[19:18:37] <apreche> Alien SWARM
[19:18:51] <apreche> more like that, but DotA
[19:18:55] <apreche> with the robotron controls
[19:19:27] <apreche> hey, that is fully moddable
[19:23:18] <GauntletWizard> Dota 2 is all but out
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[19:23:51] <GauntletWizard> if there's anyone out there who still does not have an invite, I will give them two
[19:24:03] <GauntletWizard> because they're cluttering up my steam inventory
[19:24:05] <apreche> I wonder how many invites I have, how do you find out?
[19:24:08] <apreche> oh, steam inventory
[19:24:17] <apreche> I don't think I have any...
[19:24:17] <spacejam> what invites be these?
[19:24:21] <apreche> I haev an NS2 one though
[19:24:32] <GauntletWizard> ooh, drwho game
[19:25:58] <Apsup> Valve still needs to finish the tutorial. Every week when others wait for new heroes I wait for the news when will tutorial be ready. Well at least they are working on it.
[19:26:24] <apreche> it has to be a REAL tutorial
[19:26:32] <apreche> a lot of games have tutorials that are incompletely
[19:26:38] <apreche> incomplete
[19:26:48] <apreche> they tell you some of the rules, but not ALL of the rules
[19:27:28] <apreche> or they tell you a rule, but not completely
[19:27:33] <Apsup> There are tutorial strings in the game files already and it looks pretty good.
[19:27:41] <apreche> saying "get in the last hit for extra XP" isn't good enough
[19:27:55] <apreche> they have to let you practice the timing, and show you exactly what buttons to press to control the timing
[19:27:59] <apreche> and such
[19:28:52] <Apsup> You don't get exra XP for last hit, only gold, but anyways I agree. Currently I can't be agnry towards clueless players who don't know how to play because there isn't any kind of tutorial so I can't expect people to know things.
[19:30:12] <GauntletWizard> what do you mean?
[19:30:28] <GauntletWizard> You're supposed to expect new players to spend 10 hours on the wiki before even starting to play the game
[19:30:29] <Robobuntu> you can't spend 10 hours!
[19:30:48] <GauntletWizard> ubuntu
[19:30:49] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[19:31:24] <apreche> a wiki is ok for a game like minecraft
[19:31:27] <apreche> or dwarf fortress
[19:31:50] <apreche> not for action games
[19:32:19] <apreche> street fighter IV added that challenge mode that makes you do the combos and such
[19:32:22] <apreche> that's really good
[19:32:25] <apreche> but still isn't good enough
[19:32:40] <apreche> it used to be that the single player game was the tutorial
[19:32:43] <apreche> but not these days
[19:37:31] <Apsup> I don't think that has ever been absolute rule. Sure single player usually teaches you basics easier than just jumping into multiplayer, but depending on game it could also teach player bad habits.
[19:38:13] <apreche> that is true
[19:38:35] <apreche> I have played Starcraft campaign and still can't even beat the CPU on easy in multiplayer
[19:38:51] <apreche> well, in the campaign I beat the first part, and go thalfway through the zerg part
[19:39:08] <apreche> never did the protoss part, broodwar, or SC2 even though I own them all
[19:39:15] <apreche> I just got to this one zerg mission I couldn't beat
[19:40:14] <apreche> I should try again
[19:40:16] <apreche> now that it's cold
[19:41:03] <Apsup> What that has to do with anything?
[19:41:23] <apreche> what does what have to do with anything?
[19:41:38] <Apsup> coldness?
[19:41:44] <apreche> woman
[19:41:50] <apreche> I can stay inside and click instead of going out biking
[19:41:56] <Apsup> oh.
[19:42:14] <Apsup> And you want to use that saved time with Starcraft?
[19:42:28] <apreche> there must be some reason I suck so bad
[19:42:35] <apreche> I should be able to at least beat the CPU
[19:42:42] <apreche> I was able to learn some Street Fighter with effort
[19:43:00] <Apsup> Have you read any material, like guides for Starcraft multiplayer?
[19:43:07] <apreche> yes
[19:43:13] <apreche> once I sat down with a little paper that had the build order
[19:43:15] <apreche> didn't help
[19:43:18] <apreche> here's what happens every time
[19:43:23] <apreche> I try to build stuff as fast as I can
[19:43:44] <apreche> but I end up not building enough units, and then the bad guys make an initial scouting attack that actually kills me.
[19:43:47] <apreche> so I try again
[19:43:51] <apreche> and I build some units
[19:43:56] <apreche> and I survive that first attack
[19:44:19] <apreche> but then they come with a mega force and I haven't finished building shit!
[19:44:37] <apreche> I must be doing something fundamentally wrong
[19:44:44] <apreche> I played Red Alert against a friend over dial-up back in high school
[19:44:49] <apreche> I had about 10 tanks and was ready to roll
[19:44:50] <Robobuntu> you can't about 10 tanks!
[19:44:53] <apreche> I scouted his base
[19:44:56] <apreche> with a spy plane
[19:45:07] <apreche> it was packed so tight with tanks they could barely move
[19:45:11] <Apsup> huh. My experiences with starcraft are extremely limited so I'm probably not the one that can help you.
[19:45:53] <spacejam> you have to start by going faster
[19:46:03] <apreche> spacejam: thanks, big help
[19:46:11] <spacejam> if i saw what you were doing i could probably diagnose...i have friends who are better than i am
[19:46:16] <ProfPangloss|Work> Macros?
[19:46:21] <spacejam> well...
[19:46:23] <spacejam> it's like
[19:46:25] <apreche> You know what, I will fraps my Starcraft suckage.
[19:46:25] <spacejam> i don't know how to explain it
[19:46:38] <apreche> when I get a chance
[19:46:38] <spacejam> but back in the old days i would just leisurely click on the tank button
[19:46:42] <apreche> maybe Sunday
[19:46:47] <apreche> or black Friday.
[19:46:51] <ProfPangloss|Work> apreche: Do some PiP magic with keyboard/mouse view, that'll probably help a lot
[19:47:02] <apreche> What is PiP?
[19:47:07] <ProfPangloss|Work> Picture in Picture
[19:47:15] <spacejam> there's some point at which i changed, and the volume i produced went up dramatically
[19:47:19] <apreche> oh, not bad idea either
[19:47:22] <apreche> I can gopro that
[19:47:30] <ProfPangloss|Work> So like, main video is screen, tiny box in the corner of keyboard+mouse
[19:47:35] <apreche> but how to syncrhonize the fraps and the gopro videos..
[19:47:37] <apreche> that's not easy
[19:47:49] <aria> Oh hey
[19:47:50] <apreche> have to use a clapping noise or something
[19:47:58] <ProfPangloss|Work> Not really, do something at the beginning of the game
[19:48:04] <aria> New Dark Souls record (nov 7). Hour 1 min
[19:48:13] <ProfPangloss|Work> Like, say, clicking the "start match" button, and sync that up with you clicking the mouse
[19:49:14] <spacejam> in scii replays you can see pretty close to what's happening as far as clicking goes without doing syncing and such
[19:49:30] <apreche> well, I was going to do SC1
[19:49:34] <spacejam> hmm
[19:49:52] <apreche> I have 2 though
[19:50:14] <spacejam> two big things are keeping scv count very high and keeping unspent resources very low
[19:50:24] <spacejam> ever watch any day9?
[19:50:36] <apreche> it's weird
[19:50:43] <apreche> in NS when I comm I have trouble spending all the res
[19:50:48] <apreche> but in SC my problem is usually I am waiting for res
[19:51:14] <spacejam> interesting
[19:51:53] <Apsup> In SC it's easier to spend res in hastly manner, where is NS after a certain point if you have good res flow it just keeps coming.
[19:52:13] <apreche> well, in NS you run out of things to buy
[19:52:21] <apreche> in SC you can always buy more units if the game isn't over
[19:52:22] <spacejam> hmm
[19:53:13] <spacejam> in general i dump excess resources in sc into collecting more resources...i usually go overboard with like 70 collectors or something totally stupid crazy
[19:53:26] <spacejam> on the plus side, midgame i'm not waiting for resources
[19:53:41] <apreche> 70!!
[19:53:51] <spacejam> that's a little more ridiculous than my usual
[19:54:02] <apreche> how many do pros build?
[19:54:05] <spacejam> but they're the heart and soul of sc after all
[19:54:10] <spacejam> that's a good question
[19:54:19] <spacejam> in sc2? let's say you've got two fully worked mineral fields
[19:54:28] <spacejam> 8x3 workers per patch, x 2
[19:54:35] <spacejam> that's like 40, or 48 if you like math
[19:54:42] <spacejam> so maybe not that high after all...
[19:54:45] <apreche> where do thos enumbers come from?
[19:54:52] <spacejam> 8 mineral patches
[19:54:57] <apreche> what constitutes a patch?
[19:55:05] <spacejam> one block you can click on and select
[19:55:05] <apreche> one bundle of spikes?
[19:55:06] <spacejam> lemme look it up
[19:55:08] <spacejam> yup
[19:55:22] <spacejam> i'm a terrible sc2 player but terrible will get you silver/gold
[19:55:29] <apreche> I am zinc
[19:55:39] <apreche> is there worse than that?
[19:55:40] <apreche> lead?
[19:55:45] <spacejam> wood
[19:55:55] <apreche> wood it is
[19:56:53] <spacejam> 24
[19:56:54] <spacejam> http://www.teamliquid.net
[19:56:56] <spacejam> 24 per base
[19:57:12] <apreche> so when I play I should keep building resource gatherers until I have 24
[19:57:20] <apreche> and if I send one to build buildings, I should build a replacement
[19:57:21] <spacejam> if we're talking 2/3 bases which is pretty standard you would end up with 48/72
[19:57:41] <spacejam> i wouldn't necessarily build that many right away, but it is definitely that order of magnitude
[19:58:00] <apreche> I have a feeling that I"m going to spend all my time building these 24 guys, and I'll get killed before I can build units
[19:58:07] <apreche> but I'll try it
[19:58:14] <spacejam> well you don't go to 24 straight away
[19:58:24] <apreche> you're not making this easy
[19:58:51] <spacejam> i think the standard is that you're going to something around say 10 or 11, you then space that out by building as much as you need to defend or do a mini rush/harass
[19:58:52] <Robobuntu> you can't say 10 or!
[19:59:03] <spacejam> easy is no fun!
[19:59:18] <apreche> I'm only looking to beat the computer on easy
[19:59:22] <apreche> which I have not done
[19:59:26] <spacejam> eventually, you get to the point where you can pump out workers AND build an army at the same time
[19:59:43] <apreche> ok, here's a question
[19:59:45] <spacejam> then eventually you stop building workers, which i forget to do
[19:59:55] <spacejam> ok
[19:59:57] <apreche> how do I count the workers without wasting time sitting there counting?
[20:00:03] <spacejam> hmm
[20:00:08] <spacejam> that's always been a problem for me
[20:00:14] <spacejam> i bandbox and count
[20:00:18] <spacejam> or just remember all the time
[20:00:36] <spacejam> let me see what my friend thinks since he's platinum
[20:02:14] <spacejam> hahahha
[20:02:23] <spacejam> 05: 02during the game you have to guesttimate i think05 : 02or select them all01
[20:02:52] <apreche> when you select them all where does it give you the count?
[20:03:01] <spacejam> well05
[20:03:13] <spacejam> you look at the squares in the selection at the bottom and multiply
[20:03:28] <spacejam> it doesn't have to be 24 exactly
[20:03:46] <spacejam> i just know if it's way too low and i need more, or way too high and i need to dump to a new base or something
[20:04:20] <Apsup> I believe those are the kind of things that you learn just to feel out.
[20:04:23] <spacejam> sc2 is the single working mom simulator: you have to keep track of way too much at the same time
[20:04:29] <apreche> I have no feels
[20:04:29] <spacejam> so you make compromises
[20:04:58] <Apsup> I know you are heartless bastard Scott, but we were talking about video games. :P
[20:05:18] <apreche> what?
[20:05:28] <Apsup> "have no feels"
[20:05:39] <apreche> I don't have THOSE feels
[20:06:00] <apreche> I think I'm finally getting some RSI/carpal tunnel maybe
[20:06:10] <apreche> 30 years, I lasted longer than most
[20:08:59] <spacejam> not bad
[20:10:16] <apreche> Imagine if an athlete went that many years on their career while avoiding injury
[20:10:33] <spacejam> since birth or since career?
[20:16:26] <apreche> been computing since I was...
[20:16:26] <apreche> 5
[20:16:42] <apreche> used a mouse almost every day since I was...
[20:16:47] <apreche> 12
[20:16:53] <spacejam> so 20 25
[20:17:11] <spacejam> i wonder when i'll get it
[20:17:22] <spacejam> i'm coming up on that time
[20:17:25] <apreche> maybe this will come and go,
[20:17:28] <apreche> like my eyelid twitch
[20:29:08] <Bronzdragon> that eyelid twitch is the words
[20:41:09] <apreche> got an hour here, but my hand hurts...
[20:41:36] <Bronzdragon> ... Oh really?
[20:41:40] <Bronzdragon> From jerking off at work?
[20:43:56] <apreche> suddenly sleepy....
[20:44:11] <Bronzdragon> This is going from bad to worse
[20:45:39] <aria> You were asking yesterday. Naked dude, near base stats, ran past 99% of the game. Kills final boss by being good, even though many people with crazy high levels and stats think he's impossible or close to impossible http://www.youtube.com
[20:46:12] <apreche> of course, japanese dude
[20:46:27] <aria> Well of course.
[20:52:51] <Bronzdragon> Hey apreche.
[20:52:56] <Bronzdragon> guess what I just got in my email inbox
[20:53:01] <Bronzdragon> Steam Linux beta invite
[20:53:20] <Banta> you dind't leave very long for him to guess...
[20:53:28] <Bronzdragon> Because he's not gonna guess
[20:53:31] <aria> I wonder if I also have that
[20:53:36] <aria> FUck yeah!
[20:53:51] <Bronzdragon> I will see you in a few moments
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[20:57:26] <bronzdragon> Aww, i can't be in this beta
[20:57:30] <bronzdragon> My videocard isn't good enough
[20:57:35] <bronzdragon> I need a series 6, or newer...
[20:58:42] <aria> ...
[20:58:44] <aria> You do
[20:58:50] <aria> Oh wait no, you have 5
[20:58:55] <bronzdragon> Yup
[20:58:59] <aria> Wait what?
[20:59:00] <bronzdragon> Wait, I have 2 of
[20:59:05] <aria> They only allow people who bought their GPUs this year?
[20:59:07] <bronzdragon> of 'em, does that mean I have 10?
[20:59:11] <aria> =P
[20:59:16] <bronzdragon> Also, winetricks?
[20:59:22] <bronzdragon> it runs through... wine?
[20:59:27] <aria> They use winetricks?
[20:59:33] <aria> Not most of it
[20:59:44] <bronzdragon> Yes, they do
[20:59:50] <bronzdragon> Oh wait, no...
[20:59:59] <bronzdragon> I'm confused...
[21:00:05] <bronzdragon> You need to register a product via steam
[21:00:12] <bronzdragon> which is the linux version of steam
[21:00:14] <aria> yup
[21:00:20] <bronzdragon> Meaning you have to have steam via wine, then get another steam.
[21:00:33] <aria> or windows..
[21:01:02] <bronzdragon> ... brb
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[21:11:43] <bronzdragon> I like how the lincense agreement is in the ubuntu software centre
[21:11:44] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[21:12:09] <bronzdragon> correct, Robobuntu!
[21:15:30] <spacejam> mmm
[21:16:00] <aria> I have so much fucking health right now
[21:16:04] <aria> Ive gotten his 20 times, still alive
[21:17:05] <GauntletWizard> bronzdragon: Let us know how steam for linux is
[21:18:03] <bronzdragon> Well, I already managed to mess it up to the point where everything I type at the loging screen is entered backwards.
[21:18:23] <bronzdragon> Every letter I type is the new first letter and stuff
[21:22:14] <bronzdragon> Yay, I remembered my password!
[21:23:28] <apreche> played spot-it at work
[21:23:29] <apreche> aw yeah
[21:24:43] <bronzdragon> that is cool
[21:24:54] <bronzdragon> Also, steam requires experiemntal drivesr
[21:24:57] <bronzdragon> *Drivers
[21:24:59] <bronzdragon> =O
[21:25:08] <bronzdragon> Also, it has annoying dialog boxes taht centre on the screen...
[21:25:15] <bronzdragon> And cannot be moved. and thus, not read
[21:27:40] <bronzdragon> Cya in a bit (This sure takes a lot of rebooting...)
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[21:30:09] <aria> I had that too
[21:30:13] <aria> I figured because awesome
[21:30:23] <aria> But still, most software made for linux just works with any window manager
[21:30:32] <bronzdragon> Indeed
[21:30:53] <bronzdragon> I have to get to this alternative EVEN MORE EXPERIMENTAL driver path...
[21:30:56] <aria> The only programs that have problems with that kind of stuff are skype, steam and FTL
[21:31:00] <aria> at least that I have installed
[21:31:21] <aria> Why would the latest drivers not support a less than 2 year old card?
[21:31:34] <aria> Do they expect people do upgrade their GPU yearly?
[21:31:59] <bronzdragon> Well, that's not the problem...
[21:32:09] <bronzdragon> the problem is that Nvidia makes bad linux drivers
[21:32:11] <bronzdragon> And...
[21:32:17] <bronzdragon> wait, driver install failed?
[21:32:28] <aria> Also, 19 humanity, gold serpant ring, killed every darkwraith and pretty much everything else that moved in new londo. Didn't get a slab =/ Plenty of chunks though, which is what I went down there for
[21:32:36] <aria> ..
[21:32:38] <aria> Well you're fucked
[21:32:45] <bronzdragon> =P
[21:32:52] <bronzdragon> I think I'll be fine
[21:33:38] <aria> I got the parrying dagger, but don't have the dex to use it =/
[21:34:02] <bronzdragon> How much do you need?
[21:34:07] <aria> 14
[21:34:19] <aria> I have 12, that I needed for... whatever my first weapon was
[21:34:22] <aria> Oh right, the pike
[21:34:28] <aria> Im using a greatsword currently
[21:34:44] <aria> it fits my dude better than that giant fucking house I hit people with before
[21:35:24] <bronzdragon> =P
[21:36:50] <bronzdragon> brb
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[21:36:58] <aria> I only have 5 chunks after all of that?!
[21:37:27] <aria> cmere ya dickwraiths, Ima loot yo corpses!
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[21:43:46] <bronzdragon> ...
[21:43:48] <bronzdragon> Right, so...
[21:43:57] <bronzdragon> I think I broke Xorg with beta drivers
[21:44:24] <bronzdragon> Also, when I type "shutdown 0", it won't shut down
[21:44:33] <aria> shutdown -h now
[21:44:34] <bronzdragon> Because... couldn't get to the system bus?
[21:45:01] <bronzdragon> Wait, how is that different?
[21:45:25] <aria> its correct
[21:46:11] <aria> actually, shutdown 0 might work, but I think its supposed to..
[21:46:47] <aria> Also, had I known the darkwraiths where this cumbersome to farm, I'd have restored firelink =P
[21:47:36] <aria> this entire run gave me 2 chunks and no slabs. I have 800k souls, surely there is someoone somewhere that would be willing to sell me chunks
[21:49:15] <Apsup> Has any of you had this thing where you recall a memory and then realize it's a memory of a dream because of how absurd it is?
[21:49:31] <aria> Hrm...
[21:49:54] <Banta> yes
[21:49:55] <aria> I think I have actually, but I don't remember recalling my dream in a vivid fashion vividly enough to confirm
[21:50:08] <Banta> what's the most ridiculous one you've experienced?
[21:50:20] <bronzdragon> ... I can't start X!
[21:50:40] <bronzdragon> Oh... it can't find screens?
[21:50:47] <bronzdragon> So... nvidia drivers don't work
[21:51:28] <aria> Well it said install failed
[21:51:46] <aria> Bring up your laptop, check the wiki on how to get those drivers working and try again with no X running
[21:51:54] <aria> there might also be a config util you didn't run
[21:51:57] <aria> Catalyst has that
[21:52:06] <aria> Xorg needs to know which driver to talk to
[21:53:04] <bronzdragon> aha
[21:53:26] <bronzdragon> I'm removing the experimental drivers and going back to the old (released) drivers
[21:54:01] <aria> Nah you probably want the new drivers
[21:54:10] <aria> because theyre actually good and had some money behind them
[21:54:25] <bronzdragon> fair enough
[21:54:33] <bronzdragon> I'll remove all non-experimental drivesr then
[21:54:44] <aria> What you actually want is the Qudro drivers patched to think you have a quadro card
[21:54:55] <aria> You won't be able to use steam or games
[21:54:58] <aria> but at least those work right =P
[21:55:10] <spacejam> who's got a quadro?
[21:55:40] <aria> Probably no one in this channel
[21:55:41] <spacejam> aren't those crazy expensive and aren't as good for games
[21:55:49] <aria> Well no
[21:55:57] <aria> they're crazy expensive and also crazy good
[21:56:03] <aria> but they aren't as fast at updating as game ones
[21:56:29] <spacejam> good for games? i thought they were more for work things
[21:56:43] <aria> So they can't draw your vidja games well at all. Also, they're made for Linux and to be used on rendering farms, so the windows drivers probably wouldn't react to the game engine drawing hacks the same way
[21:57:06] <aria> bad for games
[21:57:09] <aria> good for blender
[21:58:05] <aria> I got so much health that chip damage is actually acceptible now. Im using a Dark Hand as my shield =)
[22:02:01] <bronzdragon> ...
[22:02:03] <bronzdragon> wait
[22:02:15] <bronzdragon> Oh right, fallback drivers
[22:05:17] <aria> My item discovery is 410. Do you know if it goes higher?
[22:05:28] <bronzdragon> It does not.
[22:05:59] <aria> *shrug* how are you supposed to farm for slabs? If you're not, why did they put that drop in there?
[22:06:27] <bronzdragon> I don't think they considered farming at all.
[22:06:41] <bronzdragon> I don't think the game designers considered anyone taking their game that far
[22:06:59] <bronzdragon> It's more meant as a 1, 2, maybe 3 times play through.
[22:07:15] <aria> It does not happen thrice per playthrough =P
[22:07:25] <aria> I mean you get 1 per playthrough for the asylum boss
[22:07:28] <bronzdragon> .. I meant, you play through it thrice, ever
[22:07:34] <bronzdragon> the entire game
[22:07:40] <aria> Oh
[22:07:41] <bronzdragon> AT MAX
[22:07:47] <bronzdragon> brb
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[22:08:03] <aria> But they have scripted events that change if you replay with the same character up to 7 times!
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[22:08:21] <aria> ^"But they have scripted events that change if you replay with the same character up to 7 times!"
[22:08:22] <bronzdragon> 'ello guv'na
[22:08:28] <aria> Also, they clearly want you to have multiple saves
[22:08:37] <bronzdragon> Wait, they do?
[22:08:40] <aria> which is why they recommend different stat loadouts and playstyles
[22:08:52] <aria> Yeah, up to ng+7 has scripted behavior
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[22:08:57] <aria> ng+8 is just ng+7
[22:09:55] <bronzdragon> ... well, big picture mode is messed up with acontroller
[22:14:50] <aria> So you have the good drivers now?
[22:15:04] <bronzdragon> Depends, which are the good ones?
[22:15:27] <bronzdragon> IF the most recent ones, then yes
[22:15:30] <bronzdragon> Now...
[22:15:51] <bronzdragon> the controller seems miss-mapped
[22:17:58] <bronzdragon> (in big picture mode)
[22:28:36] <aria> Huh..
[22:28:42] <aria> So I tried going in the forest
[22:28:55] <aria> and I got my shit handed to me (using a different weapon than previously)
[22:28:57] <aria> Ima.. try again
[22:32:30] <aria> Bronz, invade me please
[22:34:40] <bronzdragon> ...
[22:34:46] <bronzdragon> Uhm, I can't
[22:35:55] <aria> =P
[22:35:56] <aria> Don't worry
[22:36:05] <aria> Also, I killed the second invader, so Im happy now
[22:37:35] <bronzdragon> =D
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[22:43:28] <aria> Huh...
[22:43:31] <aria> "Legendary Slabs are the heirlooms of a nameless blacksmith deity, who forged the weapons of other Gods. Weapons forged with this slab become rare legendary weapons."
[22:44:03] <aria> (with the angle of Andre being Gwyn's firstborn)
[22:44:03] <bronzdragon> ...
[22:44:24] <bronzdragon> Wait, andrei is Gwyn's firstborn?
[22:44:43] <bronzdragon> that doesn't make any sensen...
[22:44:45] <bronzdragon> *sense
[22:45:27] <aria> Why is that? He looks like him
[22:45:33] <aria> He's hiding
[22:45:35] <aria> he's a fucking badass
[22:45:38] <aria> like super badass
[22:47:53] <bronzdragon> ...
[22:48:00] <bronzdragon> Is he? when you fight him?
[22:49:25] <aria> Look up a youtube
[22:53:58] <aria> Yes
[22:54:01] <aria> He uses his barehands
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[22:54:27] <bronzdragon> =O
[22:58:49] <aria> He boxes
[23:20:29] <bronzdragon> ... Andre of Astora is pretty bad-ass
[23:20:34] <bronzdragon> I'll give ya that
[23:32:36] <aria> Plenty of 3v1 fight in the forest..
[23:32:40] <aria> Its actually pretty won
[23:32:42] <aria> fun
[23:32:49] <bronzdragon> So... ...
[23:32:51] <bronzdragon> Oh?
[23:33:02] <bronzdragon> Wait, you're invading in the forrest?
[23:33:55] <aria> No no
[23:33:56] <aria> Im beign invaded
[23:34:09] <aria> Also, for the first time, 3v1, 2 of them stand still and watch
[23:34:11] <aria> and then I lose!
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[23:35:27] <bronzdragon> Hi aria
[23:36:31] <bronzdragon> I said "Aria" instead of
[23:36:33] <bronzdragon> "Nine"
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[23:40:02] <aria> Nine
[23:40:05] <aria> I had questions for you
[23:40:07] <aria> about dark souls
[23:40:11] <aria> also Im using a greatsword now
[23:40:13] <aria> and Im liking it
[23:40:25] <aria> it has a bunch of reach adn hits lite 110 degrees
[23:40:26] <bronzdragon> ...
[23:41:40] <bronzdragon> ^
[23:43:16] <aria> The weapon I was using before was basically square
[23:43:21] <aria> It was as wide as it was long
[23:43:27] <aria> and obviously, it wasn't THAT wide
[23:43:59] <aria> It was like if you taped 100 daggers together and tried to make a table out of it
[23:44:33] <aria> oh right
[23:44:33] <aria> Nine
[23:44:48] <aria> How do you deal with tranquil walk of peace while spawning
[23:45:14] <aria> followed by two dudes doing WoG spam
[23:45:24] <aria> But timed such that one begins as the other ends
[23:46:04] <aria> Because that seems to be the natural response to red soapstones
[23:50:31] <bronzdragon> ... red spirit kicked the hell out of my ass
[23:51:03] <bronzdragon> Btw, I'm invading as a forrest bro
[23:52:16] <aria> I kept facing the same dudes
[23:52:25] <aria> want me to go there so you can fight me?
[23:52:50] <bronzdragon> Nah
[23:52:53] <bronzdragon> Well...
[23:52:55] <bronzdragon> it's up to you
[23:53:11] <bronzdragon> But I'm good
[23:53:19] <aria> =)
[23:53:52] <aria> Also, people seem to die when I backstab them, Nine
[23:53:56] <aria> With my greatsword
[23:55:05] <aria> I can go up to level 100. Should I?
[23:55:13] <aria> Then I get Darkmoon blade.
[23:55:23] <bronzdragon> Oeh...
[23:55:27] <bronzdragon> that sounds cool
[23:55:45] <aria> What level are you?
[23:55:56] <bronzdragon> 70
[23:56:04] <aria> So thats..
[23:56:13] <aria> I can be 90 then
[23:56:20] <aria> =/
[23:56:21] <bronzdragon> yeah...
[23:56:30] <bronzdragon> I'll try to level up 10 times...
[23:56:31] <Robobuntu> you can't up 10 times!
[23:56:44] <aria> Im at 12 faith
[23:56:49] <aria> I need it to be at 30.
[23:57:48] <bronzdragon> I seee
[23:57:54] <bronzdragon> that's only 28!
[23:57:56] <bronzdragon> not 30!
[23:58:00] <bronzdragon> *18
[23:58:04] <aria> Also 2 attunement
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