#geeknights | Logs for 2012-11-03

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[00:00:23] <originalme8> I do believe it will work though. :D
[00:00:46] <Bronzdragon> Yaaay
[00:02:42] <originalme8> I'll just have to give...him/her?...my domain name and we can try to get it setup :)
[00:03:15] <Bronzdragon> Him
[00:03:20] <originalme8> OK lol
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[00:13:58] <originalme8> hey venny
[00:34:05] <originalme8> woww...youtube seems to be having issues
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[01:01:07] <Bronzdragon> ...
[01:01:12] <Bronzdragon> I tried some Xcom
[01:01:15] <Bronzdragon> Impossible
[01:01:21] <Bronzdragon> ... it's... yeah, impossible
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[09:53:45] <aria> Listening to this Sandy episode: Your legal system and government seems fucked =P
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[10:57:27] <aria> It's pretty safe here. Never been a hurricane, tsunami og earthquake
[10:57:31] <aria> We don't have blizzards
[10:57:34] <aria> There is a chance of fire
[10:57:43] <aria> But it's pretty cold, and the fire department is competent
[10:59:37] <aria> I guess there are slippery roads and sharp hail...
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[11:08:46] <aria> How does taping your windows increase danger?
[11:09:14] <aria> Also, I googled for taping windows, and this image has a dude basically just putting tape in an X over his windows. yeah, that's not gonna do you any good =P
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[11:38:47] <bronzdragon> Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa--
[11:38:51] <bronzdragon> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai
[11:39:01] <aria> =O
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[11:40:02] <bronzdragon> .... I clicked on skype
[11:40:05] <bronzdragon> =(
[11:40:12] <bronzdragon> Ubuntu did not like that.
[11:40:13] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[12:03:53] <aria> The largest UK electronics store is named "Dicks'n'"?
[12:04:11] <bronzdragon> We've been to Dixons
[12:04:16] <bronzdragon> right here
[12:04:18] <bronzdragon> And bought stuff
[12:04:29] <aria> Oh Dixons
[12:04:31] <aria> that makes sense
[12:04:35] <bronzdragon> So apperantly, you didn't mind walking into a dick at the time
[12:04:37] <aria> And we have?
[12:05:03] <bronzdragon> We didn't buy stuff as much as we looked at things and went "that's too much money for X"
[12:05:14] <bronzdragon> (because X is free, you see?)
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[12:05:25] <aria> ...I don't remember this store
[12:05:28] <aria> what did they sell?
[12:06:32] <bronzdragon> They had 5 games outside
[12:06:38] <bronzdragon> And there were a bunch of things behind glass
[12:06:53] <bronzdragon> Mostly printer ink and phones
[12:08:04] <aria> I still don't remember this
[12:08:17] <bronzdragon> It was a very forgetable experience
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[15:35:52] <aria> So I played some CS:Go on Xbawks
[15:36:02] <aria> Which is the first time I play a stick-shooter
[15:36:05] <Bronzdragon> *X-Baus
[15:36:06] <aria> Also first time playing CS GO
[15:36:17] <aria> And first time playing any CS in like 10 years
[15:36:18] <Robobuntu> you can't like 10 years!
[15:36:25] <aria> And I still pretty much killed everyone
[15:36:44] <aria> Are console people that bad at shooty games?
[15:37:17] <aria> No, they're not, cause every time Bronz gives me the controller for CoD, I walk 2 steps and get shot by 5 people instantly through every wall
[15:37:30] <pence> I had not seen this before http://www.youtube.com
[15:37:33] <pence> it is my thing of the day
[15:38:05] <Bronzdragon> ... I like how you ignored Aria
[15:38:08] <Bronzdragon> And with like, I mean dislike
[15:38:19] <aria> I like your link though
[15:39:17] <pence> I think it depends on the shooty game
[15:39:33] <pence> I don't think console people are used to CS
[15:39:43] <Bronzdragon> But... It's been out a while
[15:39:44] <pence> but there are a lot of people who have had time to get very good at CoD
[15:39:52] <Bronzdragon> And also, it's people who play CS.
[15:40:12] <Bronzdragon> CoD is significantly eaier the first 4 weeks.
[15:40:35] <aria> ..
[15:40:39] <aria> I would have to disagree
[15:40:46] <aria> My experience with CoD is getting shot
[15:40:49] <aria> respawning and then getting shot
[15:41:10] <aria> My expereince with CS Go is shooting everyone and getting shot at sometimes without dying
[15:41:16] <aria> and then shooting the people who shot at me
[15:46:08] <aria> I was the MVP in every round all the time. In CoD, my kill/death is always 0 to the number of minutes I've been playing times 35
[15:50:37] <nine> Uh.
[15:50:55] <nine> k/d ratio of 0^(35t)?
[15:51:13] <aria> About right
[15:51:48] <Bronzdragon> No, it
[15:51:50] <Bronzdragon> it's a ratio
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[15:55:22] <VentureJ> Hey guys
[15:55:37] <VentureJ> people alive, yes no?
[15:55:46] <aria> Yes
[15:56:09] <Bronzdragon> there is no such thing as life
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[16:16:27] <nine> Bronzdragon speaks true.
[16:16:38] <nine> Living is overrated, join the horde, we could use more arms.
[16:16:43] <nine> And a few spare legs at that.
[16:16:48] <nine> Bob's constantly falling over.
[16:17:22] <nine> You'd guess rigor mortis would make it easier for him to hold that fucking crutch, but nothing could be farther from the truth.
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[16:31:05] <lukeburrage> The internet is slow and boring on the weekend.
[16:31:46] <aria> 360 demos are free and fun
[16:32:04] <aria> I recommend watching some OOO's
[16:35:59] <lukeburrage> I've no idea what that is what I could do to find it.
[16:36:22] <aria> I'll find you a torrent
[16:36:46] <lukeburrage> So I search for OOO? Or is that 000?
[16:36:56] <aria> They're O's. The ones that aren't numbers
[16:36:58] <aria> http://tracker.tvnihon.com
[16:37:10] <aria> http://tracker.tvnihon.com
[16:37:12] <lukeburrage> Is it a tv show?
[16:37:17] <aria> Yup
[16:37:24] <aria> Its people punching each other in rubber suits
[16:37:25] <lukeburrage> I don't really wath tv shows.
[16:37:46] <aria> There are also 2 movies that I have not seen
[16:37:49] <lukeburrage> That said, I'm trying to make it through The Revenge of the Sith right now.
[16:38:09] <lukeburrage> How can the action sequences be this spectacular and yet I don't give a shit?
[16:38:20] <aria> I'm guessing one of them is a lot of punching and the other one is a lot of bad CG, like usual. I can't tell you which will be which though
[16:38:28] <aria> I felt that way too
[16:38:33] <aria> At least for the opening scene
[16:38:40] <aria> I did like the middle and end more though
[16:39:07] <lukeburrage> The opening went on and on and on.
[16:39:08] <aria> I've only seen that movie once, but I remember enjoying it somewhat, even though I went in expecting to hate it
[16:39:30] <lukeburrage> Obiwan is actually a pretty good character, and has some of the best action in the second two movies.
[16:39:56] <lukeburrage> But who is this robot character he is fighting? Grievous? Why is he so important? Why should we care?
[16:40:20] <lukeburrage> Dooku, who chopped off Anakin's arm in Episode II would have been a better nemesis.
[16:40:42] <aria> If you watched the cartoon they relased prior to the movie, they hyped him up as a badass smart and also competent at swords person who's leading the robot army
[16:41:11] <aria> I kinda liked him actually
[16:41:21] <lukeburrage> Yeah, he looks really great!
[16:41:43] <lukeburrage> And the fight with him and Obiwan was fun.
[16:41:53] <aria> Well he's not actually in the movie that much
[16:42:03] <lukeburrage> But we just cut away from that to… what? Anakin and Palpatine having a conversation.
[16:42:05] <aria> So I don't judge him beyond his screen time, which was all pretty fun
[16:42:33] <aria> So are you doing a recut of episode 3?
[16:42:37] <lukeburrage> I'm not judging him as a character. I'm judging his placement as a story device.
[16:42:47] <lukeburrage> I may do next year.
[16:43:10] <lukeburrage> But it will be a combination of episode 2 and 3.
[16:44:05] <aria> Huh? The Wiiu is releasing in only 3 weeks. Thats less than I thought
[16:47:24] <lukeburrage> Grievous is dead already. He was only in the movie for… well, under an hour.
[16:47:33] <aria> Yeah
[16:47:40] <aria> He's not in it much
[16:48:00] <aria> But I liked all his scenes that I remember
[16:48:12] <lukeburrage> So he's really just a distraction for Obiwan. Obiwan needs to be away from Anakin so he can turn bad.
[16:48:20] <lukeburrage> Yeah, he's pretty badass.
[16:48:30] <lukeburrage> In my edit I'd have to make that whole fight make sense.
[16:49:03] <lukeburrage> Wow, this movie has some of the worst editing and sound mixing.
[16:49:39] <aria> ... =P
[16:50:20] <lukeburrage> You can see how much was chopped down and chopped together. Scenes with the same two characters are obviously filled weeks or months apart.
[16:51:12] <aria> I believe that movie had a large number of cut scenes. (as in, compared to most other movies)
[16:52:30] <lukeburrage> Yeah. I read a book called The Secret History of the Star Wars Story and it goes into some details about how it was made. The conclusion of the book is that Lucas started as an experimental film maker, and never really stopped experimenting. He just experimented with bigger and bigger budgets.
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[16:56:18] <lukeburrage> Wow, Samuel L Jackson gets totally fucked up.
[16:56:26] <lukeburrage> I don't remember any of this.
[16:56:30] <aria> Is it your first time seeing i-- Right
[16:56:52] <lukeburrage> No, I watched it maybe 6 years ago. I just don't remember much.
[16:56:53] <Robobuntu> 6 years, can't lose!
[16:57:16] <lukeburrage> Just that it took me a few sittings to get through it that time too.
[16:57:30] <aria> Apperantly he requested to get out fighting
[16:57:57] <aria> go*
[17:02:12] <aria> (they were gonna kill him in the montage)
[17:02:31] <aria> But he wanted to lose against someone important and get a proper non-montage death
[17:02:45] <aria> So they cut his arm off and shot him out a window
[17:12:03] <lukeburrage> A good way to go.
[17:12:28] <lukeburrage> Okay, a message popped up about a private message, and now I don't know who from or where. Skype? No… Facebook? What?
[17:13:02] <aria> In your global notification thingie?
[17:13:29] <aria> What notification thing are you using? You can probably click on it and it'll tell you where it came from
[17:21:13] <Apsupp> irc, from me? possibly. As I recently contacted you.
[17:22:27] <aria> So did you get started on them O's, Luke?
[17:36:39] <lukeburrage> I'm not going to watch a tv show, aria.
[17:38:53] <lukeburrage> Not from just one recommendation, anyway.
[17:39:34] <aria> Well you were complaining you couldn't find things on the internet
[17:39:50] <lukeburrage> I didn't complain of anything like that.
[17:40:10] <lukeburrage> I said the internet was slow ann boring on the weekend.
[17:40:23] <aria> Didn't you? Oh I'm pretty someone said some-- Same thing
[17:41:37] <lukeburrage> I have loads of other things to do.
[17:41:47] <lukeburrage> I LIKE having less distractions.
[17:43:17] <lukeburrage> Episode III commentary: Order 66 is fucking grim!
[17:43:18] <Robobuntu> 66 is, might lose...
[17:44:07] <lukeburrage> I quite like the Jedi death montage.
[17:44:58] <lukeburrage> Not sure about killing the kids though.
[17:46:17] <lukeburrage> Wait… Chewbacca?
[17:46:45] <aria> I don't think that's Chewbacca, but someone else of the same race
[17:46:58] <lukeburrage> Yoda just thanked him by name!
[17:47:40] <aria> Oh
[17:47:50] <aria> Alright then!
[17:49:08] <lukeburrage> I think it's pretty cool that all the Storm Troopers are the same guy. It makes them rather sinister.
[17:49:23] <aria> Why so?
[17:49:33] <lukeburrage> Twins are freaky.
[17:49:38] <aria> ... =P
[17:49:54] <lukeburrage> Many, many of the same face over and over is creepy.
[17:49:55] <aria> In the blurays, have they changed out all the storm troopers with the actor for Jango?
[17:50:38] <lukeburrage> This is the DVD, and they are all the same guy when they have the helmet off.
[17:51:00] <aria> I mean in 4-6
[17:51:15] <lukeburrage> You never see their faces.
[17:51:34] <aria> Isn't there a scene in 4 where there's a room of unhelmed storm troopers?
[17:51:51] <aria> In fact, aren't there multiple? At least commanders
[17:52:00] <lukeburrage> That wasn't in the original theatrical cut.
[17:52:23] <lukeburrage> To be honest, I don't remember it from the special edition version I saw.
[17:52:40] <aria> There's the room where they shoot the telecom
[17:52:41] <lukeburrage> Actually, I've only ever seen fan edited version of the special edition episode IV.
[17:52:49] <aria> and the meeting room where Vader chokes that one guy
[17:53:07] <lukeburrage> Those are just officers, not Storm Troopers.
[17:53:18] <aria> Well in the meeting room they're officers
[17:53:48] <aria> but that wasn't the only time I don't think; And shouldn't the officers be the most badass troopers like in normal military?
[17:53:50] <lukeburrage> Then we find the definition of a Storm Trooper is that we don't see his face… so maybe we'll never know!
[17:54:27] <lukeburrage> In the Star Wars Sage (not the trilogy) the clones are all engineered to be better at following orders.
[17:54:40] <lukeburrage> So the officers would have to be non-clones.
[17:56:26] <aria> Alright, so I googled. Seems I was wrong. The only stormtroopers we see without helmets are Luke and Han
[17:56:43] <aria> I don't think you become worse at tactics just because you're good at following orders
[17:57:28] <lukeburrage> I really have no idea. We're trying to make logical sense of a sprawling epic that really isn't even meant to make sense.
[18:00:06] <lukeburrage> "not even the younglings survived!"
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[18:03:19] <lukeburrage> I think I was disconnected.
[18:03:25] <aria> Seems so
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[18:48:38] <nine> SOMEONE SMART, TELL ME, WHAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE WORD "BELATED"?
[18:48:55] <Bronzdragon> punctional
[18:49:05] <aria> No one man should have all that pargon
[18:49:07] <Bronzdragon> Or premature?
[18:49:14] <Bronzdragon> Depends which opposite you meant
[18:49:31] <nine> Punctional isn't the opposite.
[18:49:44] <Bronzdragon> Well, premature then!
[18:50:09] <nine> BUT THAT MAKES ME A BELATED EJACULATOR!
[18:50:20] <nine> It does work for the other thingy though.
[18:50:41] <Bronzdragon> belated ejaculator only comes when smoking cigartes in bed
[18:55:25] <aria> First related is part 2
[18:55:44] <Bronzdragon> Kk
[18:58:12] <aria> HAVE AT THEE!
[18:59:39] <nine> Wut?
[18:59:49] <nine> Smoking cigarettes in bed? Are you batshit insane?
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[22:33:17] <originalme8> Hey everyone
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[22:36:07] <aria> Good night
[22:36:19] <Bronzdragon> HEY YOUR FACE
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[22:38:29] <originalme8> My face?
[22:40:00] <Bronzdragon> yes
[22:40:42] <originalme8> Just my face? Can't say "hey" to the rest of me?
[22:40:52] <Bronzdragon> NO
[22:41:23] <originalme8> Fine then!
[22:42:38] <Bronzdragon> =D
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[22:43:02] <originalme8> So I see I again just missed Aria lol
[22:43:14] <originalme8> Oh well...I may not have that much time for Zelda now anyways :\
[22:43:37] <Bronzdragon> I have a direct line with him
[22:43:40] <Bronzdragon> Anything short you want to tell him
[22:43:43] <Bronzdragon> I'll read it out to him
[22:43:47] <Bronzdragon> (Via skype)
[22:44:12] <originalme8> It's not super important. Just wanted to see if he wanted to try to get the Zelda 4 swords thing working, but like I said, I may not have a lot of time to play now
[22:44:42] <Bronzdragon> Fair enough. I've told him.
[22:44:48] <originalme8> ok thanks
[22:45:26] <Bronzdragon> Aria asked me to learn it from you/make it work with you so it'll be easy to set it up for him
[22:45:37] <Bronzdragon> And so we could potentially play 3 player 4swords
[22:45:58] <originalme8> ok
[22:46:04] <originalme8> I gotta open a port in my router
[22:46:17] <Bronzdragon> *nod nod*
[22:46:40] <yoshokatana> I now own a bike again :3
[22:46:52] <Bronzdragon> Yay
[22:47:04] <originalme8> ifconfig
[22:47:11] <Bronzdragon> Clouse enough....
[22:47:11] <originalme8> ...oops wrong window. Sorry
[22:47:14] <Bronzdragon> *close
[22:47:37] <originalme8> Congrats Yosh
[22:47:44] <yoshokatana> originalme8: lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
[22:47:45] <yoshokatana> options=3<RXCSUM,TXCSUM>
[22:47:45] <yoshokatana> inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
[22:47:46] <yoshokatana> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
[22:47:47] <yoshokatana> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
[22:47:53] <yoshokatana> en0: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
[22:47:53] <yoshokatana> ether 60:c5:47:07:81:0a
[22:47:55] <yoshokatana> inet6 fe80::62c5:47ff:fe07:810a%en0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
[22:47:56] <originalme8> OK, I think I have it open
[22:47:56] <yoshokatana> inet 192.168.0.152 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
[22:47:57] <yoshokatana> media: autoselect
[22:47:58] <yoshokatana> status: active
[22:48:04] <originalme8> lol
[22:48:45] <originalme8> OK, Bronzdragon you should be able to connect to voice.originalme.net:2626 via netplay in dolphin
[22:48:46] <Robobuntu> 2626 via, might lose...
[22:48:54] <Bronzdragon> ... right now?
[22:48:59] <Bronzdragon> Uuuuuuuhm
[22:49:01] <Bronzdragon> brb.
[22:49:09] <originalme8> oh lol
[22:49:19] <originalme8> Thought that was the plan
[22:49:24] <Bronzdragon> I should be there in 3 minutes
[22:49:25] <originalme8> Didn't realize you weren't ready
[22:49:31] <Bronzdragon> Yeah, I didn't know it was RIGHT NOW
[22:49:33] <Bronzdragon> I was doing other stuff
[22:49:43] <Bronzdragon> But eh, this is more important =P
[22:49:45] <originalme8> We can try later, it should be setup on my end though
[22:49:53] <Bronzdragon> brb
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[22:52:50] <bronzdragon> Hai
[22:53:21] <originalme8> switch machines?
[22:53:28] <bronzdragon> Alright, originalme8.net:6767?
[22:53:39] <originalme8> voice.originalme.net:2626
[22:53:46] <bronzdragon> Okay
[22:54:15] <bronzdragon> Failed to connect
[22:54:50] <bronzdragon> I might need the rom, maybe? I don't have it
[22:54:55] <originalme8> 1 sec
[22:55:16] <originalme8> ah, my forwarder is broke
[22:55:18] <originalme8> 1 sec
[22:55:24] <bronzdragon> That explains it!
[22:56:40] <originalme8> crap, no idea how long that will take to replicate out :\
[22:57:01] <bronzdragon> Eh, now that I'm here, I'll have time to try whatever crazy plans you have.
[22:57:09] <bronzdragon> I'll be here for the next ~4 hours
[22:57:14] <bronzdragon> After that I might have to go to bed
[22:57:15] <originalme8> ok try IP for now
[22:57:23] <originalme8> 71.195.161.243
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[23:38:16] <bronzdragon> Hey originalme8?
[23:38:47] <originalme8> Yea?
[23:39:00] <bronzdragon> Seems the iso is incomplete?
[23:39:20] <bronzdragon> I tried to open it up, and Dolphin complains
[23:39:26] <originalme8> Wait, did you grab the ISO?
[23:39:30] <originalme8> Or the directory that was in it?
[23:39:31] <bronzdragon> yes
[23:39:34] <originalme8> Because the ISO doesn't work
[23:39:34] <bronzdragon> the iso
[23:39:34] <originalme8> crap
[23:39:37] <bronzdragon> ...
[23:39:38] <originalme8> maent to delete that one
[23:39:45] <bronzdragon> I just assumed you prepared a nice iso for me
[23:39:47] <originalme8> excract the contents
[23:39:53] <bronzdragon> So I wouldn't have to exctract anything
[23:39:56] <originalme8> It doesn't use ISO's apparently lol
[23:40:10] <bronzdragon> ... good job!
[23:40:17] <bronzdragon> (Blaming this on you, btw)
[23:40:23] <originalme8> Just extact it all
[23:40:34] <bronzdragon> I don't have the directory
[23:41:03] <originalme8> The directory is just zipped up in that ISO
[23:41:09] <bronzdragon> ...
[23:41:10] <bronzdragon> Oh
[23:41:16] <bronzdragon> Okay, cool
[23:41:23] <originalme8> then in that there is an iph-zfsa.rar
[23:41:28] <originalme8> extract the contents of that out
[23:41:35] <originalme8> The file it needs is in that thing
[23:42:23] <bronzdragon> That's a weird way to package thigns...
[23:42:34] <originalme8> tell me about it :\
[23:43:11] <bronzdragon> Okay, all is cool now
[23:44:16] <originalme8> Did it start on your end?
[23:44:24] <bronzdragon> It did
[23:44:28] <bronzdragon> Seems to be working
[23:45:22] <originalme8> crap...do you really need a GBA?
[23:45:23] <bronzdragon> Ah...
[23:45:27] <bronzdragon> Yes, you do
[23:45:37] <originalme8> I don't have one....
[23:45:39] <bronzdragon> that's why it's not easy to run...
[23:45:42] <originalme8> I don't think I do at least
[23:45:46] <bronzdragon> Well, you have a gameboy emulator, obviously
[23:45:49] <originalme8> and how would you connect it to your PC?
[23:45:52] <bronzdragon> Duuuh =P
[23:45:55] <originalme8> really?
[23:46:02] <bronzdragon> yeah, I've seen it been done
[23:46:09] <bronzdragon> though that was 4 emulators on one screen
[23:46:14] <bronzdragon> Plus the CG emulator
[23:46:45] <bronzdragon> Not sure how that works over the network, but since Dolphin does all the networking stuff
[23:46:56] <bronzdragon> I assume you just run a gameboy emulator locally
[23:47:07] <bronzdragon> Oh, on a unrelated note, I have no sound
[23:47:17] <bronzdragon> I fixed it!
[23:47:18] <bronzdragon> =D
[23:47:40] <originalme8> lo
[23:47:41] <originalme8> l
[23:47:47] <originalme8> says you need visual boy
[23:48:12] <originalme8> http://vba-m.com
[23:49:13] <bronzdragon> Did you quit?
[23:49:17] <bronzdragon> Because the game froze for me
[23:49:43] <originalme8> No, it's still up
[23:49:46] <originalme8> oh...
[23:50:20] <originalme8> It just popped up and said you disconnected
[23:50:27] <originalme8> happened when I tried changing the controller over
[23:51:05] <bronzdragon> I see
[23:51:18] <bronzdragon> I can't find the emulator...
[23:52:57] <originalme8> 1 sec
[23:53:01] <originalme8> Going to try to get it working on my system
[23:53:07] <bronzdragon> Okay
[23:53:08] <originalme8> If I get it I will drop what you need in the FTP and fire it back up
[23:53:18] <bronzdragon> Yes sir 07
[23:58:29] <originalme8> gah, no love
[23:58:40] <originalme8> looks like the link feature broke a while ago and nobody has been able to fix it
[23:58:40] <bronzdragon> Game, Y U hate me =(
[23:58:52] <bronzdragon> ... how does that happen?
[23:59:05] <bronzdragon> Nobody bothered to fix it because they played four swords a while ago =P
[23:59:36] <originalme8> another peice of software