#geeknights | Logs for 2012-10-25

[00:02:37] <Apsup> Yup, there is no easy way to play good full round of classic competitive in CS:GO. From now on it's just CS is just Arms Race.
[00:04:22] <Bronzdragon> OH NO
[00:09:50] <Apsup> Well I'm dissapointed. I'd love to play some real CS, but it's impossible through matchmaking and serverlist is full of custom game modes and crap.
[00:12:06] <Bronzdragon> Welcome to modern games.
[00:12:19] <Bronzdragon> Any game that has matchmaking will not have a good server list.
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[00:21:33] <Bronzdragon> ZAPPY
[00:21:35] <Bronzdragon> NOOOOOO
[00:27:43] <ruffas> my roommate just ask me, "There are 12 inches in a yard, right?"
[00:31:08] <Bronzdragon> Why're you asking me? I have no clue
[00:32:10] <ruffas> you're not MURICAN, i don't expect you to
[00:32:13] <ruffas> she is
[00:32:18] <ruffas> so she should know better
[00:36:02] <Bronzdragon> That is fair
[00:36:33] <ruffas> 12 inches = 1 foot
[00:36:38] <ruffas> 3 feet = 1 yard
[00:36:43] <Bronzdragon> Ah
[00:36:54] <Bronzdragon> So 36 inch in a yard
[00:36:54] <Robobuntu> 36 inch, might lose...
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[00:37:13] <Bronzdragon> .... good to know, Robobuntu.
[00:41:28] <Bronzdragon> Turns out I'm absolutely terrible at NFS:Shift
[00:41:35] <Bronzdragon> Good to know!
[00:43:05] <ruffas> pence, any time someone says "turns out" Robobuntu should say "Good to know!"
[00:43:18] <pence> hahaha
[00:43:25] <pence> noted!
[00:47:29] <Bronzdragon> Every time "pence" and "robobuntu" appear in the same message, it should write that message to a log, and say "Noted!"
[00:48:02] <pence> also noted
[00:54:25] <Apsup> Should I get Assassin's creed 1 and Brotherhood now that they are on sale? I know that nether of those are best that the series can offer, but they probably are at least enjoyable and fun enough, especaially on the low low price.
[00:54:54] <Bronzdragon> If you have't played any AC before, it's worth checking out
[00:55:10] <Bronzdragon> Also, brotherhood is not a bad way to start out
[00:55:24] <Bronzdragon> It doesn't involve the main plot a bunch, and so stands alone relativly well
[00:56:04] <Bronzdragon> AC 1 is... people say it's unrefined, but it's my favorite game ever.
[00:56:12] <Bronzdragon> So don't ask me, maybe? =P
[00:56:26] <Apsup> I own AC2 and Revelations, First one and Brotherhood would fill the holes.
[00:57:33] <Bronzdragon> Oh, I see
[00:57:56] <Bronzdragon> Well, Brotherhood doesn't expand on Desmond's story much.
[00:58:13] <Bronzdragon> He's in a coma at the start, and he's in a coma at the end.
[00:58:40] <Bronzdragon> Again, I really like the first a whole lot, but nobody else seems to like it.
[00:59:01] <Bronzdragon> If you want more Assassin's Creed like 2 and rev, get Bro-hood
[00:59:12] <Bronzdragon> If you want a purer, simpler game, get AC the first
[00:59:30] <Bronzdragon> I really liked the way they made the assassinations a big deal in that a lot more
[00:59:45] <Bronzdragon> You really build up to murdering important targets, which II kind of lost
[01:08:05] <ruffas> assbro's pretty good
[01:11:16] <Bronzdragon> Is that what she said?
[01:12:25] <ruffas> i like to call assassin's creed brotherhood that because i can
[01:12:29] <ruffas> AssBro
[01:13:05] <Bronzdragon> Hey man, 100% with ya
[01:13:14] <Bronzdragon> Anyway, gotta go
[01:13:21] <Bronzdragon> I stayed up too late already
[01:13:23] <Bronzdragon> Ciao
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[02:05:35] <Apsup> Played my first game of TF2 on my new computer. Another game that had gotten a lot more easier after getting some frames in my seconds.I was actually able to kill people with melee quite easily, something I was never able to do on my laptop.
[02:06:32] <ruffas> grats
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[04:40:24] <GauntletWizard> http://fairytalesfor20somethings.tumblr.com
[04:43:57] <spacejam> i'm simultaneously intrigued and don't want to be intrigued
[04:56:52] <GauntletWizard> agreed
[04:56:59] <GauntletWizard> it's kinda... too close to home sometimes
[04:57:09] <spacejam> that's pretty much the nail's head
[04:57:10] <GauntletWizard> I am totally stereotypical, and that saddens me
[04:58:11] <spacejam> REVEL
[05:24:24] <nine> Dicks.
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[09:19:35] <lukeburrage> Hello!
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[09:51:24] <lukeburrage> Bots and lurkers.
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[09:57:59] <Apsup> Morning people!
[09:59:34] <lukeburrage> Is it morning?
[09:59:40] <lukeburrage> Not in Berlin.
[10:01:08] <lukeburrage> I'm experimenting with Vanilla 2 as forum software for a new community.
[10:01:43] <lukeburrage> I think I'm going to ask Scott which plugins he uses to make it exactly the same as FRCF, as that is what I'm used to seing.
[10:01:54] <Apsup> If we go by the clock it's afternoon here, but morning is the time when one wakes up and drinks his morning coffee, so it's morning to me.
[10:02:45] <Apsup> I believe the visual side is thanks for the skin rather than specific plugins.
[10:02:56] <Apsup> But what do I know, I could be wrong.
[10:03:09] <lukeburrage> I like to think "morning" always refers to the two hours after I wake up, no matter what time I wake up.
[10:06:23] <Apsup> that works too.
[10:06:27] <lukeburrage> Great. I just registered a new user in my test forum, and now I've locked myself out of my Admin account.
[10:08:49] <lukeburrage> Oh right, I used *that* password.
[10:18:13] <lukeburrage> Borked!
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[10:27:56] <bronzdragon> 'ello denizens of #geeknights!
[10:28:06] <lukeburrage> Morning!
[10:28:20] <bronzdragon> Hey Luke~!
[10:28:24] <bronzdragon> You're a person, I've heard
[10:28:43] <lukeburrage> I am a real thing.
[10:30:12] <bronzdragon> Whao, I woudln't go that far.
[10:30:28] <lukeburrage> I'm a thing that really is a real thing.
[10:31:07] <bronzdragon> NOTHING IS REAL MAN.
[10:31:58] <lukeburrage> If you say so!
[10:32:32] <bronzdragon> I do say so!
[10:32:38] <bronzdragon> speaking of saying things, wutcha upto!
[10:32:54] <lukeburrage> Making a forum and blog community from scratch.
[10:33:38] <bronzdragon> That's pretty bad-ass
[10:33:39] <lukeburrage> But it's difficult to do much work until I have the final domain name sorted and purchased, and it's hard to do that without the community already existing and agreeing on the name.
[10:33:55] <lukeburrage> Which means I have to be a dictator. Which I don't mind.
[10:34:16] <bronzdragon> Dictate some shit!
[10:34:19] <lukeburrage> It turns out Facebook is great for sharing links, but not great at all for actually discussing and making anything.
[10:34:27] <bronzdragon> Also, I don't think you can be a dictator if it's opt-in...
[10:34:47] <lukeburrage> There needs to be a final administrator at the top of the stake.
[10:34:49] <lukeburrage> stack.
[10:34:58] <lukeburrage> That might as well be me.
[10:36:02] <Apsup> Apparently in North-Korea a minister was excecuted. With mortars.
[10:36:22] <bronzdragon> ... Out of all the ways to be executed, that is pretty high on the list
[10:36:27] <lukeburrage> I'm very hard to surprise with stories like that.
[10:36:47] <lukeburrage> Obama demotes people with drone strikes.
[10:38:00] <bronzdragon> Every time our queen does anything, I'm like "Wait, she's still there?".
[10:39:45] <okeefe> Flight to Burning Con is on-time, despite the snow. Let's hope it stays that way.
[10:40:29] <lukeburrage> I think Burning Con would be my kind of gaming con, because everyone has to run something.
[10:41:15] <lukeburrage> From my experience of other cons where I'm just an attendee, I get frustrated by how many people don't contribute anything. It's the exact opposite of a juggling convention where people are *doing* all the time.
[10:43:34] <okeefe> Everyone Runs means there's commitment.
[10:56:03] <okeefe> To the airport!
[10:56:09] <lukeburrage> Have fun!
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[11:08:51] <bronzdragon> 'ello ruffas.
[11:09:01] <ruffas> mornin
[11:10:52] <ruffas> as much as i hate my alarm, i don't like the idea of getting up at 7 all by myself
[11:11:30] <bronzdragon> ... wait.
[11:11:34] <bronzdragon> <-- confused
[11:11:51] <bronzdragon> How are those not the same thing you hate?
[11:11:53] <lukeburrage> You don't want to leave it to your internal bodyclock and alarm to wake you.
[11:12:14] <ruffas> it's just too early
[11:12:35] <ruffas> i like that it's sans alarm, it's just an unsavory time
[11:13:55] <bronzdragon> Ah, I see
[11:14:00] <bronzdragon> Yes, I definetly agree
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[11:30:34] <bronzdragon> AUG, NO!
[11:30:38] <bronzdragon> My rockman =(
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[11:32:48] <ruffas> your rockman?
[11:32:53] <bronzdragon> Yeah...
[11:32:59] <bronzdragon> I tried boarding the enemy ship
[11:33:00] <lukeburrage> What's the topic?
[11:33:02] <bronzdragon> I set it on fire...
[11:33:05] <bronzdragon> It was all good
[11:33:08] <bronzdragon> And then they jumped away!
[11:33:12] <bronzdragon> WITH MY ROCKMAN!
[11:33:13] <ruffas> ohh
[11:33:27] <bronzdragon> =(
[11:33:39] <lukeburrage> When you board a ship, the first thing you fuck up is the pilot controls and the engine.
[11:33:39] <ruffas> i thought you were saying luke was megaman and were lamenting his disconnect
[11:33:57] <bronzdragon> Oh, i see
[11:37:59] <bronzdragon> GAAH
[11:38:07] <ruffas> poor, silly bronz
[11:38:09] <bronzdragon> I lost 2 mantises to an exploding ship
[11:38:20] <bronzdragon> ... boarding is just not for me =(
[11:40:32] <ruffas> get some robuts
[11:41:45] <bronzdragon> They're expensive =(
[11:44:05] <ruffas> waahh
[11:44:26] <ruffas> roguelikes aren't easy
[11:46:43] <ruffas> seriously though, fuck up them alien space pirates
[11:54:02] <bronzdragon> Did you see the ragecomic sub-reddit?
[11:54:07] <bronzdragon> it's... unreadable?
[11:54:08] <bronzdragon> http://www.reddit.com
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[11:58:26] <bronzdragon> yay, an Aria
[11:58:55] <aria> How long have you been up?
[11:59:06] <ruffas> my roommates really like that one
[11:59:42] <bronzdragon> Since...
[12:04:21] <Apsup> This channel really shows how shitty sleeping schedules people have. You can hide it on forum, because people don't see you lurking there from midnight to next noon, but here it comes out.
[12:05:34] <lukeburrage> I use a sleep cycle app to keep track of my sleep quality. I should really pay attention to it and get to bed earlier.
[12:05:35] <ruffas> they are really bad at sleeping
[12:05:55] <lukeburrage> On work trips I've no one to keep my right and a whole ship to play about on.
[12:06:14] <okeefe> Flight status looking good.
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[12:09:15] <aria> So this http://youtu.be
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[12:13:18] <aria> This english version is pretty good too
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[13:21:40] <ruffas> later all, work time
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[13:30:15] <aheman> rawr
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[13:33:44] creamsteak is now known as creamsteak|home
[13:36:27] <creamsteak|home> juggling two servers in irssi is a little fiddly
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[13:45:58] <bronzdragon> HEY
[13:45:59] <bronzdragon> YOU GUYS
[13:47:09] <aria> creamsteak: Ctrl X
[13:47:32] <aria> Its not bad unless you have like 6 or 7 servers
[13:47:32] <Robobuntu> 6 or, can't lose!
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[13:49:28] <bronzdragon> Hi originalme8
[13:49:37] <originalme8> Morning bronzdragon :)
[13:49:51] <bronzdragon> I got a smile?
[13:49:54] <bronzdragon> yay~
[13:50:23] <originalme8> I'm not awake enough, and haven't been at work long enough to be grumpy :P
[13:51:30] <originalme8> So you may be the only one who gets one today
[13:52:04] <bronzdragon> Yay!
[13:52:18] <bronzdragon> Well, you're a fantastic person
[13:52:20] <bronzdragon> So ha
[13:52:37] * originalme8 bows.
[13:52:40] <originalme8> Thank you :)
[13:52:56] <originalme8> So how's your morning/afternoon/night (not sure what time it is where you are at) going?
[13:54:42] <bronzdragon> 15:54
[13:55:00] <bronzdragon> And I came back from the dentis
[13:55:09] <originalme8> So afternoon, and that sucks. :\
[13:55:18] <bronzdragon> *dentist
[13:55:29] <originalme8> Unless they gave you some good stuph that makes you feel good. :)
[13:55:54] <bronzdragon> Eh, not as bad as yesterday
[13:56:09] <originalme8> You went to the dentist twice in a row?
[13:56:21] <bronzdragon> They coudln't scheduel both events on the same day
[13:56:33] <bronzdragon> I need to brush way better...
[13:57:05] <originalme8> Ouch >.<
[13:57:52] <originalme8> Gah, sometimes I think I am the only person who comes in on time. :\
[13:59:10] <bronzdragon> You should fine everyone a 10% fine on every missed hour, and divy that up between all the people who are on time
[13:59:13] <bronzdragon> (which is you)
[13:59:39] <originalme8> Man, I like the way you think.
[14:01:50] <bronzdragon> Me too, man. Me too
[14:07:17] <creamsteak> aria: I'm aware of the commands but I'm uncertain why it switches which server is being served sometimes when I'm not doing anything
[14:07:51] <originalme8> huh?
[14:15:09] <bronzdragon> What originalme8 said!
[14:15:57] <aria> ^o)
[14:16:03] <aria> Oh, when you switch tabs
[14:16:07] <aria> it switches to that server
[14:16:22] <bronzdragon> 'cept for the junk tab (1).
[14:16:37] <aria> Hey bronz, the episode ended on a cliffhanger; Its not super exciting, but it's the last episode
[14:16:42] <aria> and its 20 min, so Ill watch it
[14:16:54] <originalme8> Gah, more "huh?"
[14:17:10] <originalme8> Which episode, what cliff?
[14:17:25] <aria> Chuck
[14:17:47] <originalme8> Ah, OK. I'm satisfied now.
[14:19:18] <bronzdragon> Okay...
[14:19:22] <bronzdragon> I'll continue being here
[14:19:26] <bronzdragon> Waiting for you
[14:19:31] <bronzdragon> Looking INCREDIBLY sad
[14:19:39] <bronzdragon> Like a puppy left in the woods
[14:19:44] <bronzdragon> Tied to a tree =(
[14:21:54] <originalme8> An apple tree? Because if it's an apple tree, I will be right there!
[14:24:16] <bronzdragon> Pine
[14:24:18] <bronzdragon> Sorry
[14:24:32] <originalme8> Oh, good luck then. :\
[14:24:41] <bronzdragon> D=
[14:25:21] <originalme8> Sorry man. Without apples, Ori doesn't play.
[14:27:38] <pence> awesome, okeefe is on his way to BC already
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[14:40:40] <bronzdragon> hi VentureJ
[14:40:57] <originalme8> Hey Venny
[14:43:33] <VentureJ> What's up guys?
[14:44:25] <bronzdragon> clouds?
[14:44:27] <bronzdragon> Airplanes?
[14:44:30] <bronzdragon> Probably airplanes
[14:44:41] <VentureJ> No
[14:44:46] <VentureJ> Airplanes are stuck in islands
[14:44:50] <VentureJ> crash-landed
[14:44:53] <VentureJ> in a weird electromagnetic sphere
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[14:53:08] <originalme8> Poor airplanes. Always getting messed with by electromagnetic sphere's. :'(
[14:53:35] <lukeburrage> You read the Peace War?
[14:54:22] <originalme8> No, is it good?
[14:54:53] <lukeburrage> It's about airplanes getting stuck in electromagnetic spheres.
[14:55:24] <originalme8> Didn't exactly answer my question, but OK. :P
[14:55:28] <lukeburrage> I really enjoyed it.
[14:56:50] <originalme8> Crap $10 for a digital copy though. :-\
[14:57:08] <originalme8> I'm almost finished with this book series and will need something new soon
[14:57:16] <lukeburrage> I didn't say go buy it right away.
[14:57:47] * originalme8 had to look.
[14:58:28] <lukeburrage> There's a followup novel too, which I've not read.
[15:00:56] <aria> Thats cool, as soon as I finish watching the last episode, it recommends simmilar shows
[15:01:27] <originalme8> Netflix?
[15:01:55] <aria> Yes
[15:02:07] <aria> It's new here...
[15:02:12] <originalme8> Yep, gotta love it.
[15:02:22] <originalme8> Ah cool, that's right, I forget you aren't in the US.
[15:03:15] <bronzdragon> .... we still don't have it
[15:03:16] <bronzdragon> And hi Aria
[15:03:25] <aria> Not being in the US has the advantage of being able to be excited about Netflix even though its almost 2013!
[15:03:35] <originalme8> lol
[15:03:43] <originalme8> I guess.
[15:04:00] <originalme8> I don't understand why they have to do rolling releases with what is basically a web application. :\
[15:05:29] <Apsup> They can't just open the american version to the world, it doesn't work that way.
[15:07:33] <bronzdragon> Well, technically it's all possible
[15:07:45] <bronzdragon> the problem isn't wether they can do it technically, it's whether they can legally
[15:07:47] <originalme8> Well, they could. Just wouldn't get the non-english subscribers.
[15:08:07] <originalme8> I dunno, if I didn't live here I would probably use Proxy to get most services.
[15:08:09] <Apsup> Yes, the legal part is the biggest thing I assume
[15:08:23] <Apsup> Although they already used a fan-subs on one series in here.
[15:08:27] <bronzdragon> You you wouldn't, originalme8.
[15:08:34] <bronzdragon> You'd just use the pirate bay.
[15:08:45] <bronzdragon> because a proxy is more work, AND more money
[15:08:50] <bronzdragon> Remember, you won't have an American credit card
[15:08:54] <bronzdragon> or an American address
[15:09:02] <bronzdragon> Or an American identiy
[15:09:10] <bronzdragon> So straight up proxy wouldn't work
[15:09:17] <aria> Also they check if you're a proxy or VPN
[15:09:19] <aria> then block you =P
[15:09:24] <aria> Piratebay is less effort
[15:09:45] <originalme8> Ah, didn't know that.
[15:09:48] <bronzdragon> If everything is perfect, it's equal effort.
[15:09:50] <aria> Apsup: They took fansubs that were lisenced so taht they could
[15:09:57] <bronzdragon> And Piratebay doesn't "go wrong"
[15:10:28] <bronzdragon> Okay, actually, ideal cirsumstances, pirate bay is one more step
[15:10:55] <aria> I've been using Netflix for a few days now
[15:10:59] <aria> It has some really nice features
[15:11:07] <aria> Not sure about how I'd rate it compared to piratebay..
[15:11:18] <originalme8> Is it more expensive over seas?
[15:11:38] <aria> Dunno, free first month
[15:11:50] <aria> So I'm using it free for now
[15:11:52] <aria> its only a few days old
[15:12:04] <Apsup> I got free rest of the year.
[15:12:19] <aria> Well its free per credit card...
[15:12:33] <aria> So I can get it free a bunch of times under different names...
[15:12:36] <originalme8> How did you get it free for a year?
[15:12:43] <aria> But if I end up using it, I'll pay
[15:12:49] <aria> out the year, so 2 months
[15:12:52] <aria> (I assume)
[15:12:55] <originalme8> You can't use the same email address either.
[15:13:26] <Apsup> They had this promotion that Spotify users get rest of the year free. For some reason I got it too although I don't pay for spotify or told them anything about having spotify.
[15:13:30] <aria> Eh thats fine
[15:13:35] <Apsup> Maybe it was a bug but I don't care.
[15:13:48] <bronzdragon> Alright, originalme8, tell me. How would you watch a show like Gravity Falls?
[15:13:51] <bronzdragon> I
[15:15:21] <aria> It's not on Netflix
[15:15:30] <originalme8> Seeing as I don't know what Gravity Falls is (other than what GN had about it) I don't know.
[15:15:38] <aria> Well
[15:15:40] <originalme8> Probably download it somewhere.
[15:15:43] <aria> they told you its good
[15:15:46] <aria> so you wanna check it out
[15:15:47] <bronzdragon> It's a show that fits on Cartoon Network
[15:15:49] <aria> It's not on netflix
[15:15:51] <bronzdragon> But funnier
[15:15:58] <originalme8> Probably not, not a big cartoon guy.
[15:16:01] <aria> It's on the Disney Channel, according to what it says on the screen
[15:16:12] <aria> But for the sake of example, you are =p
[15:16:14] <bronzdragon> HYPOTHETICALY
[15:16:24] <bronzdragon> For the sake of discussion and such
[15:16:29] <aria> My first step was the Arch repos =P
[15:16:53] <originalme8> lol
[15:17:00] <aria> Didn't work =P
[15:17:14] <originalme8> Yea I would probably download it. Torrent
[15:17:17] <aria> Next step was opening a browser and typing in "gravity falls episode 1"
[15:17:23] <Apsup> I just went to piratebay, Gravity Falls s01e01 and went from there.
[15:17:27] <aria> Surprisngly, first result wasn't a torrent
[15:17:31] <originalme8> Pretty sure Arch repo's only do live action shows.
[15:17:31] <aria> It was a streaming site
[15:17:42] <bronzdragon> (I like how I don't even need to go to google anymore.
[15:17:44] <bronzdragon> )
[15:18:12] <aria> Arch repos had ponies at some point though
[15:18:21] <originalme8> Did they really?
[15:18:44] * originalme8 mainly uses REHL based Linux distros.
[15:18:47] <aria> Probably not. But "my little pony" did show up when looking for something else though
[15:19:16] <aria> Arch community repos have helped me pirate software in the past =P
[15:19:22] <originalme8> Man, almost had me switching to Arch.
[15:19:39] <bronzdragon> Almost?
[15:19:43] <aria> And they have open films, like the blender ones, adn the ones on Openflix
[15:19:55] <bronzdragon> ... Openflix is a thing?
[15:20:01] <bronzdragon> Is it not on the 'net'?
[15:20:01] <originalme8> Yea, I like REHL a lot.
[15:20:11] <aria> It's a youtube channel. Its a bunch of old movies
[15:20:35] <aria> Wait, do you use Red Hat at home?
[15:20:37] <originalme8> http://www.openflix.com
[15:20:51] <aria> Why not Fedora or CentOS?
[15:21:05] <originalme8> I used Fedora LXDE spin
[15:21:25] <originalme8> CentOS for my mumble servers
[15:21:41] <originalme8> I don't PAY for REHL at home
[15:21:49] <aria> I enjoyed my time with Fedora on my laptop
[15:22:31] <originalme8> I like it
[15:25:13] <originalme8> Some people see it as archaic in comparison to other distros, but it's familiar. I have thought about trying Debian, but I can't use Ubuntu.
[15:25:14] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:25:25] <originalme8> OK, is that a bot?
[15:25:30] <bronzdragon> Uhm, yes?
[15:25:37] <bronzdragon> Also, you can't use Ubuntu?
[15:25:37] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:25:37] <aria> Why can't you use Ubuntu?
[15:25:37] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:25:44] <bronzdragon> But it's the easiest!
[15:25:55] <bronzdragon> Just type "sudo apt-get install Gnome3"
[15:26:04] <aria> Yeah, I was able to teach Bronz how to use Ubuntu!
[15:26:05] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:26:21] <bronzdragon> (also your password after that)
[15:26:29] <aria> Also Walter,
[15:26:34] <aria> it would either be gnome or gnome-3
[15:26:49] <originalme8> I also don't care much for Ubuntu, they are the most closed distro I have ever seen.
[15:26:49] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:27:28] <bronzdragon> it was XFCE3...
[15:27:34] <bronzdragon> Well, xfce3
[15:28:00] <apreche> Who wants to challenge me at Letterpress
[15:28:04] <originalme8> I like gnome 3, but it's a bit intense for my laptop.
[15:28:31] <aria> Its lighter than Unity
[15:28:44] <originalme8> That's true, but I prefer LXDE
[15:28:58] <aria> I'm actually considering using Ubuntu for some of the Ayatana stuff
[15:28:59] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[15:29:16] <apreche> I'm not a fan of any of the currently available major desktop environments for Linux/Xorg
[15:29:22] <apreche> they all have fatal flaws.
[15:29:31] <aria> Really now?
[15:29:32] <bronzdragon> What is a Letterpress?
[15:29:35] <originalme8> That's true.
[15:29:52] <apreche> http://www.macworld.com
[15:29:57] <originalme8> iOS game according to google.
[15:31:09] <aria> apreche: What flaws are these? Also where?
[15:32:54] <originalme8> aria: Biggest flaw is their still not easy to navigate. (My opinion) Easier to do a lot of stuff CLI still.
[15:33:19] <aria> But you're using LXDE! =P
[15:33:28] <bronzdragon> ... you can't say the're ALL hard to navigate
[15:33:29] <originalme8> Gnome3 has the same problems
[15:33:52] <bronzdragon> wait, does it?
[15:33:58] <aria> Which part could be improved?
[15:34:44] <originalme8> For one, it shouldn't be so difficult to change the default wallpaper on the gdm login screen. Others, I can't think of off the top of my head, but if I was in front of a gnome3 desktop I could tell you.
[15:35:32] <aria> Oh yeah, I guess I wouldn't know how to do that without dconf
[15:35:53] <aria> But then again, I haven't tried..
[15:35:55] <originalme8> I don't think it is possible without dconf actually.
[15:36:15] <originalme8> I looked, because the dfeault one in Fedora 16~17 was horrible.
[15:36:21] <aria> But that's such a-- nitpicky
[15:36:31] <aria> You can't change the login screen in Windows or Mac either
[15:36:42] <originalme8> Didn't say they were any better :P
[15:36:44] <aria> I don't think they expected you to want to change it
[15:37:01] <aria> You can quite easily change it by either chaning a file, or via dconf
[15:37:08] <aria> But it doesn't have a nice UI
[15:37:24] <originalme8> Yea, I know. It's the lack of polish that bugs me the most in these kinds of things though.
[15:37:45] <aria> I wouldn't call that particular thing a lack of polish. It's not a feature that was ever meant to be there
[15:37:54] <aria> Changing regular background is super polished
[15:38:59] <originalme8> Also, they need to bring menu's back to gnome, I don't use a touchscreen on it. And there are others, I am sure apreche could come up with a few off the top of his head.
[15:39:47] <aria> What kind of menu?
[15:39:54] <aria> Like gtk menus?
[15:39:57] <aria> They removed those?
[15:40:01] <aria> I haven't used Gnome since 3.4
[15:40:24] <aria> (I wanted them to remove those though. I had to hack them out via the GTK theme =P)
[15:41:32] <originalme8> I don't remember at this point, I know it bugged me that certain menus were missing. I haven't used gnome 3 in a couple months.
[15:42:09] <aria> Well, Gnome 2 had a menu with locations
[15:42:17] <aria> when you clicked on it, it would open nautilus in a folder
[15:42:21] <aria> They removed that..
[15:42:31] <aria> And navigating your applications via mouse is more troublesome now
[15:42:47] <aria> But I know the name of my applications, so I don't have to deal with that
[15:43:38] <originalme8> Also it feels like they want me to run everything in fullscreen. That's not how I work though. I like to have lots of windows open all over my screen. I dunno, just not a fan of gnome 3.
[15:43:50] <originalme8> It was cool and flashy for a bit, but to many small annoyances.
[15:44:44] <aria> It does feel like that. I had to do a whole bunch of hacking before I got it the way I wanted
[15:44:56] <bronzdragon> I never have a fullscreen window
[15:45:00] <originalme8> Exactly, and for most users, they are not going to do that.
[15:45:03] <bronzdragon> I do have half-sized windows sometimes
[15:45:16] <originalme8> Only Netflix/VLC is fullscreen for me usually.
[15:45:21] <aria> If your resoultion is smaller than some number, it changes behavior
[15:45:27] <bronzdragon> i like to youtubes.
[15:45:29] <aria> you have 2 large screens, so it doesn't
[15:46:12] <originalme8> Yea on a 13' laptop it kept forcing everything full screen.
[15:46:14] <aria> On laptops, they by default enforce everything in its own virtual desktop, fullscreened
[15:46:26] <originalme8> On my main machine I don't think it did, but the environment feels like it wants it to be.
[15:46:27] <aria> I was also on a 13" 1280x800 when I used gnome 3
[15:46:53] <aria> With some hacking, it was perfect, never opened anything up fullscreen, everything was fine
[15:47:23] <originalme8> That's another thing though, I don't really want to have to hack my desktop to make it work. Why isn't that in a panel for controlling the UI settings?
[15:47:30] <aria> But with some of the changes to 3.6 and onwards, and with everything at default, I could see that being annoying
[15:47:30] <Robobuntu> 3.6 and, might lose...
[15:47:44] <aria> Isn't there?
[15:47:47] <aria> I'm 100% sure there is
[15:47:58] <aria> Also, there is dconf
[15:48:04] <originalme8> You may not see it as a flaw, but I have to work on UI's to work right out of the box, and it bugs me that nobody builds like that.
[15:48:15] <originalme8> dconf is not a solution for the average user though.
[15:48:35] <aria> See...
[15:48:44] <aria> I don't see it as a flaw, not because what you're saying is wrong--
[15:48:50] <bronzdragon> Hey pence, I don't like Robobuntu's "might lose" responce.
[15:48:51] <originalme8> Maybe people like you and me who use Linux and are used to that kind of thing. But I want Linux to come to the masses, and if you don't make it easy, then we will never get it to the masses.
[15:48:58] <aria> But because they do try to enforce logical defaults
[15:49:25] <aria> they just aren't aiming for your preferences, because people with your type of preferences can spend the 5 minutes to change things, but average facebook gal can't
[15:50:04] <aria> And she would enjoy the fullscreen UI more on her 13"
[15:50:38] <originalme8> I dunno, I have had non-tech people test it, as well as the new Windows 8 (not-metro?) and they don't like the full screen.
[15:50:41] <aria> I should mention I'm currently using Awesome-WM with no DE..
[15:50:49] <pence> yeah, might lose isn't as amusing as I thought it'd be
[15:50:50] <originalme8> Believe it or not, people have gotten used to multi-tasking with PC's
[15:51:12] <aria> The only things that fullscreen are things that make sense though
[15:51:16] <aria> Browser, music library
[15:51:29] <aria> And they have their dedicated virtual desktops
[15:51:56] <aria> You can have a chat open, file browser, and-- what else do peolpe have open at the same time?
[15:52:04] <aria> Like, regular people
[15:53:44] <aria> Actually,
[15:53:46] <originalme8> Word processors/office suites usually
[15:54:26] <aria> I think what they're doing makes sense, cause you have a fullscreen browser, switch to music player to make your playlists, switch back, and then you still have a music applet, and an IM applet
[15:54:47] <aria> I guess you might wanna browser and wordprocessor on the same desktop by default...
[15:55:01] <aria> But its not like its hard to go to the overview and drag a window
[15:55:50] <originalme8> I agree, it's just things that I see. Like I said, it's not worth arguing over, I just deal with things like this daily and feel they went about it the wrong way.
[15:57:18] <aria> Hrm. I just really like how Gnome 3 is shaping out
[15:57:24] <aria> I also like some of the things in Unity
[15:57:29] <aria> But not the overall thing
[15:57:44] <aria> I wish they'd just take all the good parts and drop the sidebar thing
[15:57:56] <originalme8> We'll see.
[15:57:58] <apreche> aria: name the desktop environment, I'll tell you the flaws.
[15:58:02] <originalme8> Ah that thing, that's what bugged me!
[15:58:08] <aria> Xfce
[15:58:14] <apreche> font rendering is hideous.
[15:58:24] <aria> =P Get better font rendering
[15:58:32] <aria> Which distro did you use it on?
[15:58:43] <apreche> Xubunt
[15:58:59] <aria> See-- Use the official stuff =P
[15:59:04] <aria> LXDE
[15:59:12] <apreche> LXDE is ugly as sin
[15:59:33] <aria> Xmonad
[15:59:50] <apreche> not as good as ion
[15:59:54] <aria> Ion
[16:00:14] <apreche> usable for development only, but not for everyday computing.
[16:00:40] <aria> Awesome VM with Gnome 3 or KDE or something else fancy and heavy on top
[16:01:11] <apreche> Gnome3 and KDE both now do too much fancy graphics stuff that gets in the way and causes all sorts of glitches
[16:01:12] <aria> Then you have all the menus you want and window management of Ion
[16:01:41] <aria> ...Ima assume you've only used them in VMs, but thats still fair =P
[16:01:41] <apreche> best setup is what I have
[16:01:50] <aria> Which is?
[16:01:51] <apreche> I've used them on metal
[16:02:04] <apreche> Windows 7 with Linux inside VirtualBox
[16:02:09] <aria> And you get graphical glitches?
[16:02:11] <apreche> then SSH into that Linux with PuTTY
[16:02:12] <apreche> and use Xming
[16:02:41] <aria> So your complaint with Gnome 3 is that it glitches too often with your video card?
[16:02:55] <apreche> That's the major complaint, there are others
[16:03:10] <aria> Do you have GPU modules installed?
[16:03:23] <apreche> I did, but it was some months ago.
[16:03:30] <apreche> whatever I did it was defaults/by the book
[16:03:36] <apreche> because that's the only way I go
[16:03:41] <apreche> I think it was Fedora
[16:03:48] <apreche> the second Fedora that had Gnome 3
[16:03:53] <aria> Not when you use closed hardware
[16:03:58] <aria> you also have to use the closed drivers
[16:04:24] <aria> If you have a intel graphics card, everything just works. If you have Nvidia, you need to manually tell it to get the driver
[16:04:27] <apreche> It was an Intel
[16:04:31] <apreche> and it didn't just work
[16:04:35] <apreche> I've also tried NVidia and had the closed drivers
[16:04:43] <apreche> I know how this shit works
[16:05:01] <aria> Then why is it glitching?
[16:05:08] <apreche> because it's a piece of shit
[16:05:29] <aria> =P What kind of glitching is this?
[16:05:30] <apreche> I'm sure it's less glitchy now, but even one glitch is intolerable
[16:05:36] <apreche> I don't remember exactly
[16:05:46] <apreche> I think there were some of those usual issues with window redrawing
[16:05:54] <apreche> maybe X crashing
[16:06:04] <aria> What are usual issues with window redrawing?
[16:06:07] <apreche> bad response time
[16:06:20] <apreche> sometimes you close a window and it leaves an empty space
[16:06:28] <apreche> or sometimes you draw a window, it it leaves a trail of itself
[16:06:30] <apreche> drag
[16:06:39] <aria> Those all sound horrible..
[16:07:10] <apreche> that's why I don't use that shit
[16:07:14] <lukeburrage> Hahaha
[16:07:19] <aria> That shit is fixed
[16:07:22] <aria> Use the stable version.
[16:07:24] <apreche> could be
[16:07:40] <apreche> but current setup works. If it ain't broke, dont' fix it.
[16:07:51] <apreche> I only change when shit gets broke.
[16:08:14] <aria> How long ago did you try Gnome 3?
[16:08:15] <apreche> which could happen in some years.
[16:08:18] <aria> Cause 3.0 was actually kidna bad
[16:08:20] <apreche> 6 months to a year
[16:08:21] <Robobuntu> 6 months, can't lose!
[16:08:51] <aria> So I'm guessing Fedora 15?
[16:09:00] <apreche> it was definitely teen
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[16:10:22] <apreche> this was maybe an hour of my time spent downloading, installing, trying, deleting
[16:10:27] <apreche> so memory, not going to be that vivid
[16:11:02] <aria> But you're certain your GPU was actually working the way its supposed to?
[16:11:44] <aria> Anyway, the new one, + some extentions is way sleek
[16:11:49] <aria> Did you try getting extentions?
[16:12:07] <aria> Its awesome. They have a website
[16:12:21] <aria> you click a button, and you get it immedietly
[16:15:24] <apreche> if it needs extensions to be good, fuck it
[16:15:52] <aria> Well no, it needs extentions to fit your taste. Kinda like how firefox needs vimperator
[16:16:01] <apreche> firefox does not need vimperator
[16:16:13] <apreche> My taste is live with the defaults.
[16:16:16] <aria> I was just applauding how easy installation is
[16:16:35] <aria> How can you use Firefox without Vimperator?
[16:16:49] <aria> How originalme8, you should look up Elementary OS. It's Gnome 3 with a bunch of tweaks to make it less the stuff people complain about, but still very casual-friendly and sleek
[16:17:26] <lukeburrage> http://www.youtube.com
[16:17:29] <aria> http://youtu.be
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[16:22:35] <lukeburrage> Today I set up a test forum and blog to see about integrating blog comments as forum replies and forum replies as blog comments.
[16:23:04] <lukeburrage> I was surprised that is "just worked". This stuff has come a looooong way since the last time I tried to do something similar.
[16:25:51] <creamsteak> penny arcade does that with their stuff
[16:25:56] <creamsteak> I hadn't tried it myself
[16:26:04] <lukeburrage> Yeah, and a few other sites as well.
[16:26:06] <creamsteak> but article comments are simultaneously forum threads and such
[16:26:19] <lukeburrage> It turns out that Vanilla 2 does it really well.
[16:26:28] <creamsteak> neat
[16:26:30] <lukeburrage> And Wordpress has a plugin that makes it even easier.
[16:26:42] <creamsteak> their custom ui was weird in a couple places and still has some IE bugs I think
[16:28:25] <lukeburrage> I tried doing something like this back in 2003, which I now realize is almost 10 years ago.
[16:28:25] <Robobuntu> you can't almost 10 years!
[16:28:44] <lukeburrage> So it's almost comically easy by comparison.
[16:33:01] <lukeburrage> I can 10 years.
[16:33:01] <Robobuntu> you can't can 10 years!
[16:33:09] <lukeburrage> Yes I can.
[16:33:15] <lukeburrage> Ha! I won!
[16:33:17] <aria> Ubuntu
[16:33:18] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[16:33:37] <lukeburrage> oo-BOON-too
[16:35:03] <apreche> yeah, if I started GeekNights today I would use WordPress/Vanilla
[16:35:11] <originalme8> Gah, just when I thought I would get a break at work, one of my padawan's had to take his wife to the doctor. GAH! >.<
[16:35:12] <apreche> but when we started we outgrew WordPress/Vanilla
[16:35:15] <apreche> and switched it up
[16:35:18] <apreche> to custom code
[16:35:24] <apreche> and now it's to hard to switch back.
[16:35:38] <apreche> now that they have stepped up their game.
[16:36:36] <lukeburrage> Wordpress is shonky, but there's nothing free which comes even close.
[16:36:47] <lukeburrage> And I don't want to pay monthly for anything yet.
[16:37:43] <lukeburrage> Now I'm starting this new blog/forum community thing, I'm going to do as zero custom stuff as possible.
[16:45:08] <aria> 50k to draw one comic issue?!
[16:45:24] <aria> I think you're overcharging, person
[16:45:26] <lukeburrage> Context!
[16:45:36] <aria> Zelda comic kickstarter..
[16:46:39] <apreche> how can there be a Zelda comic kickstarter? Uh, where is Nintendo at?
[16:46:44] <originalme8> aria: wha?! link?
[16:46:58] <aria> Not Nintendo lisenced
[16:47:01] <aria> some dude
[16:47:02] <aria> http://www.kickstarter.com
[16:48:15] <lukeburrage> Sounds about right.
[16:48:34] <aria> Really? How long does it take to draw a comic?
[16:48:55] <lukeburrage> I mean, is it just the drawing, or is it the writing, drawing, colouring, editing, layout, fixing, printing, delivering?
[16:48:58] <aria> He's gonna sell the comic afterwards, so he's gonna earn some money once its published
[16:49:08] <aria> Not printing and delivering
[16:49:12] <aria> because PDF
[16:49:12] <apreche> looks like a full cover hardcover they are going to take a year to work on it
[16:49:18] <aria> but it is writing, colouring and layout
[16:49:20] <apreche> 50k for a year of work and printing expenses.
[16:49:25] <apreche> about right
[16:50:01] <lukeburrage> I am paid 3,000 minimum per gig, but it "costs" way more than that. The company also pays for flights, transfers, hotels, my room and board, and much more. Then my agent gets a cut of my fee.
[16:50:18] <lukeburrage> How much someone gets paid is only half any cost.
[16:50:41] <aria> But it doesn't take a year to draw one comic book, does it?
[16:50:50] <apreche> he's probably doing other shit
[16:50:56] <lukeburrage> Or, to put it another way, the expense to the employer of an employee is only half made up of salary.
[16:51:10] <lukeburrage> I've no idea how much time it takes.
[16:51:16] <lukeburrage> But I also don't get paid for time.
[16:51:31] <lukeburrage> For that 3,000 I sometimes am on stage for less than an hour.
[16:51:49] <lukeburrage> So if it was just "paid for work" I'd be making 3,000 per hour.
[16:52:24] <lukeburrage> Personally I'm not a fan of that sample art, but I can understand it takes a long time for a single person to do.
[16:52:30] <aria> But your employer still earns that money back through ticket sales. These dudes are selling their comic Im guessing
[16:52:42] <aria> they just need money for food until they're done drawing/writing it
[16:54:28] <apreche> it's the artist of braid, which is not exactly my favorite art
[16:54:32] <apreche> so, no kicks from me
[16:55:08] <aria> I was not at all impressed with the sketches they posted, but I don't think it's fair to assume it'll have the style of braid
[16:55:17] <aria> if he's a good artist, I'm sure he can do other styles
[16:55:19] <apreche> looks pretty close
[16:55:34] <apreche> I did like that multi-level dungeon pic in terms of content, but not style.
[16:55:58] <lukeburrage> I think you are underestimating what it takes to get a talented artist to work on your project rather that someone elses project.
[16:56:50] <lukeburrage> It's really easy to say "Hey, I'll give you enough money for food if you do my thing!" but people want more than food.
[16:57:03] <aria> It's his own project though
[16:57:31] <lukeburrage> I've been offered money to do podcast reviews of books, something I do anyway, but I turned it down because I wanted to read the books I wanted.
[16:58:00] <aria> Right, lets say the podcast took many hours to produce
[16:58:04] <lukeburrage> Yeah, it turns out I have loads of juggling fans who want to see me spend my time on a new show I *also* want to work on.
[16:58:04] <aria> every day
[16:58:08] <aria> so you couldn't do it as a hobby
[16:58:21] <aria> You could choose between being paid enough for the book you wanna review
[16:58:27] <aria> or being paid more for a different book
[16:58:39] <lukeburrage> However, for me to spend that time on that show, rather than my current job, they'd have to match the money and benefits of my current main job.
[16:58:43] <aria> Would you not still choose the book you wanna do?=
[16:59:20] <lukeburrage> It turns out, for me to produce that show, would take MORE than I currently earn, by a long way, so it doesn't happen, despite me wanting to do it.
[16:59:48] <lukeburrage> My current job allows me to have many hobbies. If I was to work full time on anything, I'd not have time to do a hobby.
[17:00:05] <lukeburrage> An entire comic? That would take so much of my time I'd have to give up hobbies.
[17:00:54] <aria> Sure, but it's the comic you'd do as a hobby if you didn't get paid to do it
[17:01:14] <lukeburrage> Nope.
[17:01:30] <aria> They did say they've already been working on it for half a year
[17:01:33] <lukeburrage> I have so many creative hobbies I literally have to chose which I want to do.
[17:01:51] <lukeburrage> I've been working on my new juggling show since 2008.
[17:02:04] <aria> I meant you as in, not you, but the kickstarter people
[17:02:09] <lukeburrage> I'm poured thousands of dollars worth of time and money and energy into it.
[17:02:28] <lukeburrage> And you know what? It still might not ever be finished.
[17:02:36] <aria> Do you measure your time in money?
[17:02:50] <lukeburrage> I have in my accounts.
[17:02:54] <lukeburrage> Wait… no.
[17:03:16] <lukeburrage> I mean I take time off my real money paying job to work on this other project.
[17:03:38] <aria> I see. I thought you measured the time between gigs or after work in money
[17:03:47] <aria> Say, if a movie is 4 hours long
[17:03:58] <lukeburrage> If I judge my real job to be 3,000 per week (roughly) and I take time of to work on my new show, that's about 3,000 of theoretical income I don't get.
[17:04:00] <aria> you go like "Aw man, this movie is wasting 3k of my time!"
[17:04:37] <lukeburrage> If time is money, I'm $75 late.
[17:06:18] <lukeburrage> Anyway, my eventual point is that I think 50,000 isn't much for any artist's time.
[17:06:37] <lukeburrage> That said, I don't like it, so will pass my money on to other artists.
[17:06:40] <aria> I can't disagree with that becuase I don't know how much time we're talking about
[17:07:25] <lukeburrage> It varies from artist to artist.
[17:07:55] <aria> See--
[17:07:58] <aria> If it was a free comic
[17:08:06] <aria> and it took a bunch of time I wouldn't have a problem with it
[17:08:39] <lukeburrage> I'm happy to value my time more than my money, and turn down work regularly on that basis. However, some companies match my perceived value and I end up doing work I prefer not to out of bad bargaining skills. And that work always pays best.
[17:09:18] <lukeburrage> One thing I like about Kickstarter is that it is instilling in the internet generation's mind that fact that producing art costs money.
[17:09:50] <lukeburrage> Things don't happen for free all the time, and if no money ever changes hands, even the free stuff might dry up.
[17:09:55] <aria> Yeah, but you earn that money back through sales usually
[17:10:23] <lukeburrage> People do free stuff at the start of their careers to get a leg up, or a foot in the door, or whatever your analogy.
[17:10:43] <aria> I'm not saying he should work for free
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[17:10:57] <lukeburrage> Oh, I know.
[17:11:26] <lukeburrage> But supply and demand doesn't only work with food commodities.
[17:11:27] <aria> I'm saying he should either work for free and charge for the product, or work paid and give the product away for free =P OR better yet (for him), explain how much content he's planing on producing to justify the amount
[17:13:25] <aria> Oh the MS tablets are out?
[17:13:29] <aria> I should try one
[17:13:36] <aria> They look good
[17:13:57] <lukeburrage> I don't think you've understood Kickstarter then.
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[17:15:18] <aria> Are you not supposed to explain the project you're trying to fund?
[17:15:45] <lukeburrage> I must admit I didn't read that Kickstarter page all the way through.
[17:15:57] <lukeburrage> It seems like someone is wanting to make a comic, and needs funds.
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[17:17:53] <apreche> It says in the Kickstarter, 50 page color hardcover
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[17:18:22] <aria> Oh hey
[17:18:22] <aria> you actually read it =P
[17:18:23] <lukeburrage> tets
[17:18:24] <aria> So 1000 per page
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[17:18:41] <lukeburrage> Aria, your sums just don't add up.
[17:19:00] <apreche> so there are two artists
[17:19:03] <apreche> 500 per page
[17:19:07] <apreche> now there is printing cost
[17:19:12] <apreche> 250 per page
[17:19:17] <lukeburrage> Writing a 200 page book doesn't take twice as much time as a 100 page book.
[17:19:39] <apreche> and that is getting really close to the Marvel/DC page rate.
[17:19:41] <aria> Printing cost should be covered by hoping people buy it though
[17:19:59] <apreche> you need before money and also after money
[17:20:12] <apreche> what are they supposed to do, pay for printing by taking out a loan?
[17:20:23] <aria> Yes.
[17:20:35] <apreche> and if nobody buys it
[17:20:36] <apreche> they're fuck
[17:20:50] <aria> Well.. yes
[17:20:51] <apreche> kickstarter is all about reducing risk by spreading it among interested parties.
[17:21:00] <apreche> that's the ENTIRE POINT
[17:21:08] <lukeburrage> I like the idea of "before money" and "after money"
[17:21:18] <lukeburrage> Did you say that on the podcast at some point?
[17:21:22] <apreche> panel at PAX
[17:21:32] <lukeburrage> Ah right.
[17:21:32] <aria> The point isn't that you can't get a loan for the /entire/ amount, so you ask for help?
[17:21:40] <lukeburrage> I watched the video of that one then.
[17:21:52] <apreche> the point is, why risk getting a loan you can't pay back
[17:22:02] <apreche> if enough people care enough to lay down cash upfront
[17:22:27] <apreche> why bother with one wealthy patron (a major publisher)
[17:22:52] <apreche> if you can keep your rights by getting money from many small patrons?
[17:23:53] <aria> Well I get that part. But I figured you're still willing to bet on the product you're making
[17:24:44] <lukeburrage> I think putting in 6 months work already is as much as they need to bet.
[17:24:44] <Robobuntu> 6 months, can't lose!
[17:25:02] <apreche> Kickstarter isn't betting because you aren't investing.
[17:25:18] <apreche> It's pre-ordering with a chance of nothing.
[17:25:40] <aria> =P
[17:26:25] <aria> Do people buy desktops?
[17:26:52] <aria> I mean, pre assembled desktops with a dell logo on them
[17:26:56] <lukeburrage> I don't.
[17:27:00] <aria> Not PC parts and then putting them in a box
[17:27:05] <aria> But does the mainstream?
[17:27:08] <lukeburrage> Yeah, I think the vast, vast majority are prebuilt.
[17:27:24] <aria> Rather than laptops?
[17:27:38] <apreche> I think laptops and tablets are taking over, but there are still desktop sales happening
[17:27:49] <apreche> most of them are probably bulk buys by corporations, though
[17:28:01] <aria> Well, tablet sales are going up. But haven't laptops already taken over a long time ago?
[17:28:14] <apreche> that doesn't mean that there aren't ANY desktop sales
[17:29:44] <lukeburrage> Oh, I think laptops are well outselling desktops now.
[17:30:01] <lukeburrage> Even Apple is still releasing desktops.
[17:30:17] <lukeburrage> Though I don't think the Mac Pro has been updated for a few years.
[17:30:28] <lukeburrage> But that new iMac? Looks amazing!
[17:30:42] <apreche> i never liked the iMac
[17:30:48] <apreche> the new ones even less so
[17:30:49] <aria> Yeah, but the iMac is 1 device and has 1 cable
[17:30:52] <lukeburrage> Me neither.
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[17:31:13] <lukeburrage> But compared to every other desktop? No contest on looks.
[17:31:25] <lukeburrage> I like the Fusion drive idea too.
[17:31:33] <lukeburrage> I wish I had one to fit in my laptop.
[17:31:35] <apreche> fusion drives have been around on PCs for years
[17:31:45] <lukeburrage> Yeah, I know.
[17:31:56] <bronzdragon> What is this Fusion Drive?
[17:32:00] <lukeburrage> Not that big though.
[17:32:11] <lukeburrage> lmgtfy
[17:32:11] <apreche> how big is theirs?
[17:32:50] <lukeburrage> 128GB solid state drive with a 1TB to 3TB hard drive
[17:33:03] <apreche> is that really a hybrid or just two drives?
[17:33:07] <apreche> because that's basically what I have in my computer
[17:33:10] <lukeburrage> No, all one drive.
[17:33:11] <aria> It's two drives
[17:33:18] <aria> it uses software to move things between them logically
[17:33:22] <aria> Kinda like preload
[17:33:26] <aria> but with an SSD rather than ram
[17:33:27] <lukeburrage> Really?
[17:33:33] <lukeburrage> I thought it was one unit.
[17:33:49] <apreche> yeah, I was skeptical as soon as you said those sizes
[17:33:50] <aria> Might be one case around both drives =P
[17:34:01] <apreche> no way it is one drive on a hardware level
[17:34:05] <lukeburrage> Okay, I didn't read up on it.
[17:34:10] <aria> I didn't either
[17:34:14] <lukeburrage> I presumed, when they said it was one drive, that it was.
[17:34:17] <aria> Just guessing from his wording
[17:34:29] <apreche> it probably appears as one drive logically in the OS
[17:34:39] <apreche> but you probably can't take it out and use it in a PC like one device.
[17:34:40] <aria> But I'm confident in my guess
[17:35:13] <aria> So do you think it shows up in bootcamp?
[17:35:17] <lukeburrage> Yeah, I was wrong.
[17:35:31] <aria> I would be in their best interest that you couldn't touch the SSD part outside of Mac OS
[17:35:34] <lukeburrage> It's just two drives, but OSX itself treats it as one.
[17:35:40] <apreche> http://www.redorbit.com
[17:35:44] <apreche> it is indeed two drives
[17:35:50] <lukeburrage> Okay, my mistake.
[17:35:54] <apreche> whereas the Seagates are actually one drive
[17:36:19] <lukeburrage> I guess, with an iMac you can't open, it's all built in anyway, so it doesn't even need to be one unit.
[17:36:33] <apreche> anyways, I admit I would like to have that feature
[17:36:45] <apreche> as now I am manually managing what goes on the SSD and what goes on the magnetic drives
[17:36:46] <lukeburrage> By the time I get a new laptop, SSD will be big enough to not need it anyway.
[17:37:04] <lukeburrage> Yeah, it's that step of managing what goes where that I REALLY want to not ever do ever again.
[17:37:05] <apreche> would very much like to have one big drive with everything managed intelligently
[17:37:14] <apreche> would even be nicer if it managed what goes on the NAS as well
[17:37:22] <lukeburrage> If it's built into OSX, it might be possible on my next purchase.
[17:37:52] <lukeburrage> That said, my next purchase will probably be smaller than a 15inch macbook.
[17:37:59] <aria> Really? You can't just install the software manually that does it?
[17:38:40] <lukeburrage> I see that my views on Fusion being one unit was based on faulty reporting, not my own misunderstanding.
[17:38:41] <apreche> 13" Retina Macbook pretty good
[17:38:50] <aria> I want one..
[17:39:03] <apreche> I could probably live if my Lenovo were replaced with that, since I hardly game on my laptop at all.
[17:39:09] <apreche> and dat screen
[17:39:16] <lukeburrage> Yeah, I got a high resoltuion 15inch macbook because I wanted more screen real estate.
[17:39:21] <apreche> hate the keyboard, though
[17:39:23] <apreche> but love the touchpad
[17:39:24] <apreche> so breaks even
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[17:39:41] <apreche> and it's actually cheaper than the Lenovo, even after you buy all the crazy video adapters you need.
[17:39:59] <lukeburrage> With Retine, you don't have to run at one pixel per "pixel", so you can make the same real estate on a smaller screen.
[17:40:23] <apreche> well, the OSX API can tell if an app was made for retina or not
[17:40:26] <aria> You don't like the keyboard?
[17:40:30] <apreche> if it wasn't then it renders at 4 pixels per pixel
[17:40:35] <aria> Also, touchpad on the lenovo is equally good now
[17:40:35] <apreche> except for fonts and things
[17:40:40] <lukeburrage> Every time I use a non-Apple touchpad I feel like shooting myself.
[17:40:42] <apreche> no, Lenovo Touchpad is the WORST
[17:40:59] <aria> Well, its equally good to the MBPs from a few years ago. Im assuming the touchpad in the recent ones haven't changed
[17:40:59] <apreche> and chiclet keyboard make me want to cut my hand off.
[17:41:17] <apreche> I've used the newest lenovo touchpads, they suck
[17:41:23] <apreche> the one I have is the last good one
[17:41:28] <ruffas> nobody can touch mac touchpads
[17:41:30] <apreche> also, new lenovos have chiclet keyboards also
[17:41:34] <apreche> so
[17:41:35] <lukeburrage> My MacBook pro is fine for all my gaming (which is mostly CS:GO), and I bet any new laptop I buy will be more powerful.
[17:41:36] <ruffas> they're far and away the best
[17:41:54] <apreche> lukeburrage: are you using BootCamp or Steam OSX?
[17:42:01] <lukeburrage> I have both.
[17:42:04] <apreche> which is better?
[17:42:26] <lukeburrage> NS2 is on BootCamp steam, and Valve games on OSX Steam.
[17:42:32] <aria> What? Is this the lenovo ultrabooks, or lenovo thinkpad/other such thing?
[17:42:42] <apreche> Lenovo X series
[17:42:47] <apreche> X220 and newer have BAD touchpad.
[17:42:49] <lukeburrage> I've never played CS:GO on my windows partition.
[17:42:57] <aria> Must admit to never having tried
[17:43:18] <lukeburrage> That said, I've not played NS2 for about 8 months. I should get on it.
[17:43:21] <apreche> I don't even play 3D games on laptops, nor do I want to.
[17:43:32] <apreche> I'm mostly interested in games like SpaceChem and FTL on the laptops.
[17:43:53] <aria> I downloaded FTL
[17:44:01] <lukeburrage> I got over the FTL "hump" and suddenly it became fun in a whole different way.
[17:44:05] <aria> It didn't work with my window manager
[17:44:09] <apreche> I could see in three years when my Lenovo is no good anymore a MacBook being the only decent laptop.
[17:44:14] <aria> also you have to run a script to start it
[17:44:22] <apreche> Since all the others will only really work with Windows 8
[17:44:28] <aria> And you have to update it manually
[17:44:52] <ruffas> that's because you're on linux
[17:44:56] <ruffas> you have to do it the hard way
[17:45:07] <lukeburrage> HAhaha
[17:45:17] <aria> Windows doesn't have package managers at all, so you'll have to do it the hard way anyway
[17:45:34] <apreche> the hard way meaning use Steam?
[17:45:42] <apreche> so hard
[17:45:44] <aria> Well for the non-DRM version
[17:45:46] <apreche> the PAIN
[17:45:54] <apreche> double click setup.exe
[17:45:58] <ruffas> i dunno if FTL has a steam port yet
[17:45:59] <apreche> OMG, I'm dying
[17:46:01] <ruffas> for linux
[17:46:11] <aria> That is too much effort
[17:46:17] <aria> how did you even get setup.exe in there?
[17:46:22] <aria> Also you need to click next so many times
[17:46:35] <apreche> stop, it hurts just thinking about it
[17:46:52] <aria> and then to launch it, you need to browse for it
[17:47:00] <apreche> actually it's worse than that
[17:47:04] <apreche> it adds itself to the start menu
[17:47:07] <apreche> and you use launchy to start it
[17:47:12] <lukeburrage> Scott, you realize your level of butthurt reducing to ease of use to DRM concerns for Steam are what everyone else goes for for most other things.
[17:47:13] <apreche> you actually might have to type the letter F!
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[17:47:42] <aria> See I'm fine with typing FT
[17:47:47] <aria> but the last L should autocomplete
[17:47:58] <aria> also, I should not have to download it off a website
[17:48:02] <aria> or click next 5 times
[17:48:10] <aria> I like being able to type ftl, then have ftl
[17:48:38] <apreche> aria: http://www.launchy.net
[17:48:47] <apreche> or just press the window key, then type ftl
[17:48:51] <apreche> yeah, Windows does that
[17:49:09] <aria> After you went through the install process!
[17:49:27] <apreche> oh noes
[17:49:29] <lukeburrage> I used Steam, and there was no install process… that I remember.
[17:49:52] <apreche> my Steam install process has one extra step because I choose where to install things.
[17:49:58] <apreche> so they don't all go on the SSD
[17:50:45] <aria> See-- I'm fine with using Steam, becuase it's still less effort than regular windows installs. But when I'm on Linux and there is a native Linux version
[17:50:52] <aria> I'd like it to be easy to get and play
[17:51:14] <lukeburrage> And when I punch myself in the face, it hurts.
[17:51:15] <aria> And that means that when I type FTL and press enter, it should download, install and launch itself
[17:51:28] <apreche> there's a reason gamers don't run Linux
[17:51:42] <apreche> if you choose to go that path, you are making a choice to suffer, so deal with it.
[17:52:10] <aria> Cmon, that's less suffering, it's fewer things to type
[17:52:33] <apreche> except you just said it didn't work with your window manager
[17:52:34] <lukeburrage> http://www.marketwatch.com
[17:52:42] <aria> Yeah, fuck that game
[17:52:43] <apreche> and you have to update it manually
[17:52:59] <aria> To be fair
[17:53:06] <aria> it doesn't work with Windows' window manger either
[17:53:13] <apreche> how not?
[17:53:18] <aria> You can't resize
[17:53:29] <lukeburrage> Hahah.
[17:53:42] <lukeburrage> There is a window option, and a full screen option. What else do you want?
[17:53:52] <aria> Slightly smaller or lager window...
[17:53:59] <aria> Like every other window
[17:54:13] <lukeburrage> Not like most games I've played.
[17:54:33] <lukeburrage> Usually they run full screen or a specific size, to keep the art at the right pixel size.
[17:54:56] <aria> I'm willing to have it look slightly worse for it being the size I want
[17:55:13] <lukeburrage> But the designers don't. So you can't.
[17:55:33] <aria> Does the non-DRM version auto update on Windows?
[17:55:38] <aria> I have the steam version...
[17:56:45] <apreche> almost no games let you resize
[17:56:53] <apreche> they run at the resolution you set in the video options
[17:57:08] <apreche> and who runs games in window mode other than nethack?
[17:57:37] <aria> I can forgive games with a bunch of crazy direct X's that don't behave well
[17:57:59] <aria> But FTL is 2D, shouldn't be that hard to make it scale
[17:58:20] <apreche> you have to maintian aspect ratio even if you scale
[17:58:33] <apreche> you go program a game that scales and then come back and talk shit
[17:58:37] <apreche> there's a reason nobody does it
[17:58:38] <aria> That's fine (although I disagree with it. I mean, you can set a different aspect ratio)
[17:58:55] <ruffas> and it's designed for that ratio
[17:58:59] <ruffas> and those resolutions
[17:59:11] <aria> The default UDK game lets you resize yknow =P
[17:59:20] <aria> I've already made a 3D game that lets you resize
[17:59:29] <aria> I pressed the compile button in UDK and it just worked
[17:59:56] <apreche> what is UDK?
[18:00:04] <aria> Unreal Dev Kit
[18:00:22] <apreche> lol
[18:01:00] <aria> Its the rendering engine for most modern games
[18:01:36] <apreche> yeah, it's one company that makes an engine specifically to run every game
[18:01:43] <apreche> that has had multiple years of engineering gone into it
[18:02:01] <apreche> you can't compare it to an indie game like FTL made entirely from nothing by a few people in a short time.
[18:02:09] <aria> I mostly used that as a joke example. Like I said, if you're doing crazy 3D stuff its fine to not have it scale
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[18:02:17] <aria> usually it doesn't even make sense to resize something mid-game
[18:02:25] <aria> But FTL is a background game, and its all simple 2D stuff
[18:02:36] <apreche> the 3D is easier to scale
[18:02:47] <apreche> the way games are programmed
[18:02:59] <apreche> with a 3D engine everything is relative
[18:03:09] <apreche> in a 2D game like FTL everything is absolutely positioned.
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[18:03:37] <lukeburrage> Wow, muppet is a dick.
[18:04:22] <apreche> yeah, don't know why you people feed that guy
[18:04:32] <ruffas> what's he done now?
[18:04:55] <lukeburrage> Drawing lines with the fire beam require pixel precision. Sub pixel display would break the game.
[18:05:14] <lukeburrage> I am feeding him, but I'm trying to be blunt.
[18:05:31] <aria> That is fine. If I wanna have a tiny FTL in the corner, you can punish me and make the game harder
[18:05:48] <apreche> yes, let's put this tremendous amount of effort
[18:05:52] <apreche> into one feature that only one person in the world wants
[18:05:56] <lukeburrage> hahaha
[18:06:13] <apreche> who also happens to be the one weirdo who is playing on Linux
[18:06:22] <aria> Surely I'm not the only person here who resizes their windows
[18:06:32] <apreche> I've never even played a game in window mode
[18:06:37] <apreche> let alone tried to resize
[18:06:41] <apreche> a game in window mode
[18:06:59] <apreche> go try to find people on the Internet complaining about this besides you
[18:07:05] <apreche> for any game
[18:07:07] <apreche> there will not be many
[18:07:11] <aria> Do you not have 2 screens?
[18:07:19] <apreche> yeah, full screen on o ne
[18:07:23] <apreche> other shit on the other
[18:07:50] <lukeburrage> Scott, you'll always find people complaining about the same thing as you on the internet… but in a single forum thread… with no repies...
[18:07:52] <ruffas> even on my laptop, full screen is fine
[18:07:52] <aria> Do you not get the thing where when you wanna do things on the other screen, both screens flash and everything sucks?
[18:08:03] <apreche> and when I play a game I usually turn a screen off
[18:08:07] <apreche> to give the game my full attention
[18:08:13] <aria> But it's FTL
[18:08:22] <aria> Why do you give FTL full attention?
[18:08:25] <aria> it's a background game...
[18:08:27] <apreche> becuase it's hard as balls
[18:08:39] <aria> It has easy mode
[18:08:40] <apreche> the only game that's a background game for me are turn based games
[18:08:44] <lukeburrage> Have you beat it on easy yet?
[18:08:47] <apreche> where I have to wait for the other player
[18:08:47] <apreche> nope
[18:08:50] <apreche> but I haven't tried in days
[18:08:55] <apreche> gotta finish burning con stuff
[18:08:58] <lukeburrage> Once I worked out some tricks, I did it a few times in a row.
[18:09:06] <aria> No, I stopped playing when it told me to restart the game to change settings...
[18:09:11] <lukeburrage> But they aren't tricks you can just teach and win it the first time you try.
[18:09:29] <lukeburrage> They combine with all kinds of skills that only came by failing 11 other times.
[18:09:36] <apreche> I've failed more than 11 times
[18:09:43] <apreche> I really think I am just unlucky
[18:09:52] <apreche> I watched Rym play
[18:10:01] <apreche> and ever shop he hit had exactly what he was looking for
[18:10:06] <apreche> it was total bullshit
[18:10:30] <lukeburrage> Those were 11 times in a row with no restarting, so I was probably doomed to fail many times even if I'd done everything right.
[18:10:41] <lukeburrage> I never look for anything while playing.
[18:11:02] <lukeburrage> Which is why I beat it on the "get to the end without buying anything" run.
[18:11:17] <lukeburrage> Actually, I don't think I did beat it, but I got to boss stage three.
[18:11:17] <aria> Do you give every non-competetive game full attention?
[18:11:21] <apreche> so all you did is use the weapons you start with?
[18:11:34] <apreche> and only spent scrap upgrading the ship?
[18:11:38] <lukeburrage> It wasn't the not buying that made me lose though, it was unlucky store/repair placement.
[18:11:48] <lukeburrage> If I'd bought the hull repair droid I'd have made it.
[18:11:49] <apreche> I had that same problem
[18:12:01] <lukeburrage> I used weapons I got from ships I fought.
[18:12:10] <apreche> once I actually failed because I didn't know you could use hull repair drone outside of battle
[18:12:15] <lukeburrage> If you don't destroy every ship, they give you cool stuff.
[18:12:31] <apreche> yeah, It is very hard to kill ships without destroying them
[18:12:35] <apreche> without extra ion or teleporters
[18:12:47] <lukeburrage> Hull repair drone outside of the battle is the way to win! Switch it out for the battle, and back in to repair whne you have time and energy.
[18:13:08] <apreche> yeah, nobody told me that
[18:13:11] <apreche> until it was too late
[18:13:11] <lukeburrage> Often there is a choice between a new weapon and a stasis pod.
[18:13:19] <lukeburrage> You got to experiment!
[18:13:30] <lukeburrage> That's why I like the game, because there are so many ways to win.
[18:13:42] <apreche> more ways to lose
[18:15:57] <lukeburrage> True.
[18:16:08] <bronzdragon> Talkin' about FTL, EH
[18:16:11] <bronzdragon> I know me some FTL
[18:16:20] <lukeburrage> For such a big gamer, you certainly suck at both FTL and CS:GO.
[18:16:34] <aria> They are saying its absurb to play FTL non-fullscreened
[18:16:36] <bronzdragon> You fly ships, run into ion storms, then forget to power oxygen, and suffocate
[18:16:50] <bronzdragon> ... I play FTL non-fullscreened all the time
[18:16:52] <apreche> I never claimed to be good
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[18:18:27] <lukeburrage> I've never played FTL full screen. Not sure why you think I had. I've only ever had it in a window.
[18:18:45] <bronzdragon> I just tested out full screen
[18:18:49] <bronzdragon> it's... something
[18:19:04] <bronzdragon> With something, I mean something bad
[18:20:33] <bronzdragon> Aria, explain what happened
[18:20:54] <aria> He has 2 screens that are the same size and resolution.
[18:21:08] <aria> The image displayed in the middle
[18:21:13] <aria> so half of the picture was in screen 1
[18:21:19] <aria> and the other half in screen 3
[18:21:21] <aria> 2*
[18:21:25] <aria> with bezel in between
[18:21:31] <apreche> Is that on Linux?
[18:21:33] <aria> Yes
[18:21:40] <apreche> Using NVidia Dual View?
[18:21:56] <aria> Not sure what he's using. I think he's just using xrandr for the second screen
[18:22:02] <apreche> that's why
[18:22:03] <aria> Possibly dual view though
[18:22:12] <apreche> it treats the whole display as one big scree
[18:22:32] <apreche> add that to the list of reasons not to use Linux as primary OS.
[18:22:44] <apreche> Even OSX finally fixed their fullscreen problems in Lion.
[18:23:18] <aria> Well, every other application that works with window managers can figure that out
[18:23:33] <aria> You shouldn't use Linux as your video game OS*
[18:24:00] <aria> And he doesn't, he only has like 3 games that he set up to work inside of linux
[18:24:05] <aria> he usually reboots or plays them virtually
[18:28:50] <aria> He's using Nvidia Twinview he says
[18:29:25] <bronzdragon> I only play FTL on linux
[18:30:25] <bronzdragon> Or rather, the only thing I play on Linux is FTL
[18:30:40] <bronzdragon> I have Windows for games and such, which I use semi-regularly
[18:30:44] <apreche> yeah twinview, not dualview
[18:31:17] <bronzdragon> Twinview is not great
[18:31:30] <bronzdragon> But with seperate Xorg sessions, it won't run Gnome3 for some reaons...
[18:31:32] <bronzdragon> *reason
[18:31:39] <bronzdragon> And I can't be arsed to find out why
[18:31:53] <bronzdragon> Also, all the gnome2 panels get cloned whenever I restart X...
[18:32:04] <apreche> i'm trying to do a weird thing and it won't work!
[18:32:08] <apreche> doctor, it' hurts when I do this
[18:32:20] <bronzdragon> Hey, I stopped doing it!
[18:32:31] <bronzdragon> I just like complaining about nVidia
[18:32:37] <aria> I should mention I made it work for him
[18:32:40] <aria> and then he changed something
[18:32:43] <aria> and I made it work for him again
[18:32:53] <aria> and then he changed a third thing and I told him to finish changing things
[18:33:05] <apreche> I learned this lesson almost a decade ago
[18:33:08] <apreche> never change anything
[18:33:15] <apreche> just change yourself
[18:33:26] <apreche> if you prefer something other than the defaults
[18:33:28] <bronzdragon> I did, and I play FTL non-fullscreen.
[18:33:29] <apreche> don't change the defaults to match you
[18:33:32] <apreche> change you to match the defaults
[18:33:39] <bronzdragon> I did this!
[18:33:53] <apreche> in all aspects of life?
[18:34:01] <aria> Eh if I can change something in less than 10 minutes and its either fun, or I feel like I'm learning, I'll change that thing
[18:34:01] <Robobuntu> you can't than 10 minutes!
[18:34:10] <bronzdragon> ... I'm not sure how far "all aspects of life" goes.
[18:34:21] <bronzdragon> But I'm a pretty "go with the flow" kinda guy.
[18:34:22] <aria> See, I'm much less old than you are =P
[18:34:23] <apreche> aria: and that is why your shit is fucked up shooting and slicing dawg time
[18:34:35] <aria> Bronz's shit is
[18:34:42] <aria> Not mine
[18:38:00] <ruffas> the only time i have trouble with defaults if i'm playing a first person game on a controller
[18:38:07] <ruffas> i need that inverted y axis
[18:38:22] <apreche> don't play fps on controller.
[18:38:34] <bronzdragon> ... invert Y?
[18:38:53] <ruffas> or pause and invert
[18:38:57] <ruffas> takes 10 seconds
[18:38:58] <Robobuntu> you can't takes 10 seconds!
[18:39:10] <bronzdragon> You're weird
[18:39:24] <bronzdragon> Actually, apreche's "You should adjust" totally applies here
[18:39:38] <ruffas> it could
[18:39:40] <bronzdragon> it takes about te-- fiveteen minutes to readjust, and then you're fine.
[18:39:48] <ruffas> it doesn't
[18:39:51] <ruffas> just doesn't work
[18:39:58] <bronzdragon> Works for me
[18:40:03] <bronzdragon> therefor I'm a better human.
[18:40:04] <bronzdragon> SO HA
[18:40:20] <ruffas> right
[18:40:22] <aria> Why can't you people just spend the few minutes to change things so that you enjoy them more?
[18:40:34] <aria> I never play anything with default controls ever
[18:40:47] <ruffas> it's the degree of effort involved
[18:40:48] <aria> unless Dark Souls because that has kinda good controls
[18:40:50] <Apsup> I fiddle with things quite often.
[18:41:10] <aria> Actually no, the stick is too slow
[18:41:31] <Apsup> If I can make something better (better being based on my subjective experience) I will at least try to make it so.
[18:41:43] <aria> I like you!
[18:42:59] <ruffas> the china special of running man seems like a race down the great wall
[18:43:36] <ruffas> based solely on the preview
[18:44:37] <aria> Im good at running on walls
[18:44:38] <Apsup> Has apreche or anyone else here listenend the new Machinae Supremacy album yet?
[18:44:48] <apreche> I hae
[18:44:51] <apreche> it sounds like their old ones
[18:44:52] <bronzdragon> How new is it?
[18:44:57] <apreche> day sold
[18:45:07] <apreche> days old
[18:45:10] <bronzdragon> I haven't then.
[18:45:18] <apreche> it's rathe rshort
[18:45:29] <Apsup> Someone said that it has more chiptunes this time.
[18:45:32] <apreche> and the final track is a redo of Hero, my favorite song of theirs.
[18:45:41] <Apsup> I just started listening for the first time.
[18:45:46] <apreche> the SID does stand out a little bit more than it has on recent albums
[18:45:51] <Apsup> Gotta prepare for their coming gig.
[18:46:47] <bronzdragon> weren't some of these tracks released before?
[18:46:48] <Apsup> Unless the album somehow sucks I probably buy it on the gig, like I did with their last album.
[18:46:55] <bronzdragon> 99 and Hero sound familliar
[18:47:07] <apreche> Hero is an old track redone, I just said
[18:47:14] <bronzdragon> You did!
[18:47:17] <bronzdragon> =(
[18:47:44] <Apsup> Laser Speed Force and Rise Of a Digital Nation were pre-listenable on their website.
[18:47:58] <Apsup> (If I remember correctly)
[18:56:36] <Apsup> Another succecfull fiddling with things done. Now I can easily read the lyrics of the songs while listening this album.
[19:11:51] <aria> Alright going to bed folks
[19:11:52] <aria> Good night
[19:11:58] <aria> 's been fun
[19:12:06] <aria> apreche: Play some Dark Souls already
[19:12:16] <apreche> yeah, no
[19:12:23] <aria> Stop complaining games aren't Zelda 1 enough when a good Zelda 1 has been out for like 2 years already
[19:13:27] <Apsup> I should renew my xbox gold just for playing Dark Souls.
[19:13:33] <Apsup> Also I should get the DLC.
[19:13:39] <bronzdragon> You could play it offline...
[19:13:40] <apreche> I been playing some Link to the Past
[19:13:40] <aria> Is it out yet?
[19:13:42] <aria> Is it 27th?
[19:14:01] <aria> But thats no fun with new content being out
[19:15:10] <Apsup> bronzdragon: Yes I could. I also could use cactus as a anal dildo. Can doesn't mean I should.
[19:15:37] <bronzdragon> ... If you shave all the needles off...
[19:16:05] <aria> There are plenty of people who never go online in Dark Souls
[19:16:17] <aria> Often because they die too much to have any humanity
[19:17:38] <Apsup> It's not about being human and doing PvP or co-op (although I would like to continue my quest to sun bro every boss in the game).
[19:17:55] <aria> You haven't sun broed every boss at least once?
[19:17:59] <bronzdragon> Then what? the messages?
[19:18:01] <Apsup> It's mostly about the little things. Ghosts, messages, the sound of the bells, the cursed ones.
[19:18:01] <aria> Man you should sun bro more
[19:18:30] <aria> Also items from other players worlds!
[19:18:38] <Apsup> I haven't played the game that much. One character is half-way done NG+ and sun bro is about half-way done.
[19:19:10] <Apsup> That's it. I haven't even done any funky challenge runs yet.
[19:19:16] <aria> Also it really really helps getting a free flasks when you're low and health and have used all your flasks, mid boss battle =P
[19:19:29] <lukeburrage> My shoulder is hurting.
[19:19:33] <Apsup> Although I want to do no-shield run at some point.
[19:19:39] <lukeburrage> I must have bruised it in some way.
[19:19:52] <lukeburrage> I tried to have a juggling training session, and had to stop because of the pain.
[19:19:53] <bronzdragon> What did you do?
[19:19:58] <lukeburrage> Not sure!
[19:20:01] <bronzdragon> OH NOES
[19:20:03] <lukeburrage> It's just really annoying.
[19:20:19] <aria> Apsup: The shield is usually the first thing to go for me when I'm too heavy
[19:21:03] <lukeburrage> Muppet's actually quite sweet.
[19:21:22] <bronzdragon> How do you figure?
[19:21:30] <lukeburrage> He's just so clueless.
[19:21:41] <aria> Oh btw
[19:21:48] <aria> They nerfed the ninja ring
[19:21:51] <Apsup> interesting lukes and bronzes nicks are of equal lenght. Makes it harder to differentiate between them when both are talking.
[19:21:51] <aria> It sucks now
[19:21:56] <bronzdragon> ... I think you're misjudging Muppet.
[19:21:57] <Apsup> I don't care.
[19:22:21] <lukeburrage> He honestly thinks every single person is biased towards him, and that every single person has a mental picture of him that doesn't match up with reality.
[19:22:22] <bronzdragon> LUKE, I AM YOUR FATHER (and such, I dunno it was the best I could com eupw ith)
[19:22:30] <Apsup> But they nerfed the eagle shield. It used to be god among shields now, not anymore.
[19:22:43] <lukeburrage> It's pretty impressive.
[19:22:55] <aria> Artorias shield is still god among shields
[19:23:07] <aria> Ninja ring went from the most OP ring to most useless ring though
[19:23:08] <bronzdragon> I actually haven't seen him discuss anything seriously
[19:23:15] <aria> It now only works if you're under 25%
[19:23:25] <bronzdragon> I tend not to read discussions because they're wordy, and I'm always too late to the party to add anything.
[19:23:34] <lukeburrage> If he did discuss things, it would be fine.
[19:23:39] <aria> the only reason to use it is that you wanna be able to wear up to 50% and still run
[19:23:44] <creamsteak> muppet suffers from thinking he's been there and done that... it seems like this happens to all men with age... from what I've witnessed
[19:23:48] <lukeburrage> He just jumps in, insults people, and then spends four pages being defensive.
[19:24:01] <creamsteak> hardening of view points, thinking they understand everything... I'm just as guilty as the next guy
[19:24:14] <lukeburrage> Yeah, I just wrote a fun reply pointing out that nobody is too old to improve their manners.
[19:24:37] <bronzdragon> Excuse me? are you calling me OLD?
[19:24:39] <lukeburrage> Maybe that I've been writing a musical about Groundhog Day makes me see how much you can change.
[19:24:41] <bronzdragon> YOU FIEND!
[19:24:45] <creamsteak> also slightly related, I was just discussing with a friend, "Is any man really and truly above all manners of dick measuring contest?"
[19:24:49] <pence> http://telebunny.net I might have a new favorite Polar Bear's Cafe pun-rundown
[19:24:51] <aria> Ok good night
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[19:24:58] <bronzdragon> Wait, no, whippersnapper!
[19:25:27] <lukeburrage> above ALL manners? I'm not sure.
[19:25:45] <lukeburrage> Because if you were, you could never measure how much you are above all dick measuring.
[19:25:50] <creamsteak> aye
[19:26:07] <creamsteak> like in my mind, I've never SEEN my grandfather get into any such comparison bickering
[19:26:08] <lukeburrage> So it would have to be an absolute scale, independent of any other "dick".
[19:26:13] <creamsteak> but that's probably because he's my grandfather
[19:26:50] <lukeburrage> And what would the absolute scale be measured against? If other dicks, then measuring above-dick-measuring-ness would be a dick measure.
[19:27:13] <creamsteak> it's in the details afterall
[19:28:54] <lukeburrage> So it must be a binary position.
[19:29:11] <lukeburrage> Dicks measured or not. Being above means a measure.
[19:29:36] <lukeburrage> You are just non-dick-measuring, rather than being above it or not.
[19:29:44] <lukeburrage> So my answer is "No".
[19:29:53] <creamsteak> heh
[19:30:51] <creamsteak> this subject coming up here because I'm in another conversation where I realized that a friend and her teenage daughter were in some sort of female social status based version of a dick measuring contest yesterday
[19:31:20] <creamsteak> and it was *awkward*
[19:31:30] <lukeburrage> Have you seen Bridesmaids?
[19:31:34] <creamsteak> I have not
[19:31:55] <creamsteak> does it have a name for this?
[19:32:06] <lukeburrage> Well, there is a scene in that which is so awkward that I literally had to stop the movie to let the knot in my stomach unwind.
[19:32:13] <lukeburrage> Nope.
[19:32:14] <creamsteak> hah
[19:32:32] <lukeburrage> It's one of the best comedies I've seen in a long time.
[19:33:02] <creamsteak> I should maybe consider seeing it then, it never garnered any attention from my friends
[19:48:24] <ruffas> JET has one of the most obtuse websites i've ever seen
[20:20:29] <originalme8> See what happens when you bring up JET? You kill the irc :-\
[20:21:49] <ruffas> it was already dead
[20:21:55] <ruffas> for 16 minutes
[20:21:56] <Robobuntu> 16 minutes, might lose...
[20:22:06] <ruffas> good old Robobuntu
[20:22:29] <bronzdragon> Robobuntu is never dead
[20:22:34] <bronzdragon> Always vigilant, always ready
[20:22:39] <bronzdragon> NEVER FALTERING
[20:23:05] <ruffas> 16 Robobuntus
[20:23:06] <Robobuntu> 16 robobuntus, might lose...
[20:23:13] <ruffas> ^_^
[20:24:12] <lukeburrage> Ubuntoo
[20:24:22] <lukeburrage> Uuub un 2.
[20:27:18] <originalme8> 10 ubuntu
[20:27:19] <Robobuntu> oo-BOON-too
[20:27:36] <lukeburrage> I can 10 ubuntu.
[20:27:37] <Robobuntu> you can't can 10 ubuntu!
[20:27:38] <ruffas> it still doesn't combo...
[20:27:45] <ruffas> pence, fix that!
[20:27:53] <bronzdragon> I think it's for the best that Robobuntu doens't combo...
[20:28:16] <ruffas> pfft
[20:28:39] <ruffas> just make it do a separate thing if you have 10 and ubuntu in the same sentence
[20:28:40] <Robobuntu> you can't have 10 and!
[20:28:58] <ruffas> not trigger multiple things
[20:30:58] <bronzdragon> How would you reconsile "can't lose, and "can't lift"?
[20:31:23] <lukeburrage> I'm going to write a response bot.
[20:32:18] <ProfPangloss|Work> http://i.imgflip.com
[20:33:47] <bronzdragon> ... one that just responds to Robobuntu?
[20:33:57] <bronzdragon> And he says "... No, I think you're wrong"
[20:34:48] <bronzdragon> If I ever made a bot, he'd play Uno
[20:36:04] <originalme8> UNO!!
[20:36:15] <creamsteak> lukeburrage: surprised you're putting the effort into things you are with muppet
[20:36:39] <lukeburrage> I have an injured shoulder, and can't juggle, so I'm having fun elsewhere.
[20:36:45] <creamsteak> ouch
[20:36:59] <lukeburrage> And hopefully this fun will make the forum slightly more enjoyable in the future.
[20:37:16] <creamsteak> is there like a performers insurance to cover you if you're out of work for some amount of time?
[20:37:41] <lukeburrage> Even if Muppet calms down in just half the threads he participates in, it'd be a win, but I think I'm fighting a losing battle.
[20:37:49] <lukeburrage> Yes, there is insurance like that.
[20:37:54] <lukeburrage> I don't have it though.
[20:38:26] <creamsteak> Muppet is immune to introspection from what I can tell.
[20:38:34] <lukeburrage> My insurance is enough savings to not have to work for a few years, and being a UK citizen for free healthcare until I'm well again.
[20:39:29] <ProfPangloss|Work> Dunno man, Muppet's largely been a source of amusement for me
[20:39:34] <lukeburrage> Immune to introspection is pretty good.
[20:40:14] <lukeburrage> Muppet's not the worst, but he is the worst recently.
[20:40:39] <Apsup> I tend to ignore those threads or at least pages of threads where structure goes muppet -> someone else -> muppet -> someone else -> muppet
[20:40:46] <ProfPangloss|Work> For the last chunk of election season, Jack's been my candidate
[20:41:00] <ProfPangloss|Work> Right now, it's a big mishmash
[20:41:05] <lukeburrage> Jack's just a kid. It's forgivable.
[20:41:09] <creamsteak> jack's not a problem when he's not being fueled by all the vitriol of the election cycle
[20:41:30] <lukeburrage> Apsup, once that becomes most threads I normally read, I end up just regretting I even visited the forum.
[20:41:31] <ProfPangloss|Work> Which is why I'm just taking a deep breath and looking through r/wheredidthesodago
[20:41:50] <ProfPangloss|Work> Nothing but gifs of stupid people in infomercials
[20:42:23] <lukeburrage> Also, Jack backs down. Axel once was the punching bag, but he also worked out how to get by.
[20:42:47] <ProfPangloss|Work> True facts
[20:43:16] <ProfPangloss|Work> Speaking of, I've gotta go get dinner with Axel sometime - Haven't seen him in a while
[20:43:17] <lukeburrage> Muppet doesn't look like he'll ever back down. Which could mean I'm in for a late night on the WTF thread.
[20:43:26] <creamsteak> lol
[20:43:31] <creamsteak> well gives you something to do I guess
[20:43:45] <ProfPangloss|Work> Odds are you'll get a week off when Sandy hits
[20:43:54] <ProfPangloss|Work> >_>
[20:44:06] <Apsup> Too bad my local store closed down 45 minutes ago, didn't remember to buy popcorn earlier.
[20:44:16] <bronzdragon> ...
[20:44:54] <lukeburrage> I almost bought some popcorn last night, just to make a gif with it, but thought better of it.
[20:45:15] <ProfPangloss|Work> Your next song should have something to do with popcorn
[20:45:20] <lukeburrage> I think I was the first to post popcorn eating in the forum, with the Micheal Jackson gif.
[20:45:21] <ProfPangloss|Work> Or at least the video
[20:45:40] <lukeburrage> I actually wrote a song about comments on the internet. I should record it some time and post it.
[20:45:52] <ProfPangloss|Work> Relevant?
[20:46:02] <bronzdragon> I remember that!
[20:46:04] <lukeburrage> Not to trolls. More to youtube comments.
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[20:47:02] <creamsteak> note: muppet probably gets off on his wankery, he's got similar reputation and argumentation on reddit and facebook as well
[20:47:34] <creamsteak> the frc forums in particular must give him a greater concentration of trollboner though lately... we have a special supply of something he's not getting from the others
[20:47:52] <creamsteak> perhaps the seeming desire to actually get into the details and such
[20:50:34] <lukeburrage> It's just amazing that a grown adult has so much time.
[20:52:23] <ruffas> he said he's got a desk job
[20:52:34] <ruffas> and my impression of those is 90% free time
[20:52:40] <lukeburrage> And nothing better to do? Sigh.
[20:54:18] <creamsteak> this is the productivity of our society in the states
[20:54:27] <creamsteak> 90/10 or 80/20 rules apply across most of the board
[20:55:29] <creamsteak> Myself, I get a huge amount of work done in only a small portion of my day
[20:56:06] <creamsteak> It's hard to do more though due to other road blocks set in my way
[20:56:47] <creamsteak> Muppet's probably also a lazy fucker, but I don't know that
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[20:59:19] <creamsteak> yay yosho
[21:00:10] <yoshokatana> what's up?
[21:00:35] <creamsteak> nothing, just saw you post and join the chat at same time
[21:00:39] <yoshokatana> I'm reading through that fedora blog
[21:00:54] <yoshokatana> some of them are sad/funny, but a few seem like really cool dudes I'd play Carcassonne with
[21:01:21] <creamsteak> I've got a fedora friend who qualifies as "that guy with the hat" and "total creeper" at the same time. He's a great dude, but at the same time the criticism leveraged against his habits and personality are fair.
[21:01:54] <creamsteak> I myself have my own judgeable traits, I'm fine with judging and being judged. But you are right to call out people on the shaming people to make themselves feel better deal.
[21:02:15] <yoshokatana> yeah
[21:02:26] <creamsteak> doesn't accomplish anything, helps nobody, is sad in it's own similar way
[21:02:35] <yoshokatana> also, I kind of wish the author would use actual capitalization
[21:02:43] <creamsteak> lol
[21:02:53] <yoshokatana> it's really getting to me how bad of a writer this person is
[21:03:19] <yoshokatana> to the extent that I don't really care about the pictures, just the crap commentary
[21:03:53] <creamsteak> honestly, pick any other type of pose, picture, camera, lighting, style, piece of clothing, etc. from OKCupid and you can build a similar blog
[21:04:08] <Apsup> Yea, person who can't write shouldn't make blog where purpose is to laught at other people.
[21:04:12] <creamsteak> let's build an arbitrary hockey jersey blog, or bikini blog, or whatever
[21:05:08] * creamsteak goes to check it regardless
[21:05:15] <creamsteak> that's why that one will get teh views
[21:05:20] <yoshokatana> eh, true
[21:05:33] <Apsup> Also I could understand that blog if it was all similar pictures like the naked dude with fedora, but there are quite a lot of people who just look normal and happen to wear a hat.
[21:05:34] <creamsteak> I mean the trick is to combine it with choice lines from their profile or whatever
[21:05:35] <yoshokatana> but all the guys who click through to it will be wearing cheap fedoras
[21:06:16] <yoshokatana> the ones where the author makes fun of nontraditional sexual relationships rub me the wrong way
[21:06:23] <creamsteak> or reverse it, combine commonly repeated bullshit lines and compare people based on the text
[21:06:27] <creamsteak> "I like to have fun"
[21:06:37] <Apsup> Heck, on spring and fall I tend to wear cheap Trilby so, not really fond of picking on people because of their hats.
[21:07:10] <creamsteak> pretty sure I deserve to be on a similar blog with my my little pony mohawk knitted hat
[21:07:20] <creamsteak> cause fuck man, I'm outright mockable
[21:07:26] <yoshokatana> Apsup: I'm judging you harshly for superficial reasons right now <3
[21:08:58] <lukeburrage> I wore a fedora in 1997 when I was 17. I thought I was the shit. Then I left it on a train in France, and never bought another one.
[21:09:03] <Apsup> yoshokatana: There are many reasons why I can be judged superficially.
[21:09:13] <creamsteak> There's a blog somewhere explaining why the hate for these hats is a deal right now... it has some bullshit to it and some truth to it...
[21:09:36] <creamsteak> the bullshit part being something about "men who hate women" or something, the true part being people using a possession as their sort of identity card
[21:10:02] <creamsteak> I had a cowboy hat in highschool, just cause
[21:10:09] <yoshokatana> haha
[21:10:16] <creamsteak> well actually, just cause I hated the wannabe suburban cowboys were
[21:10:29] <Apsup> I like the feeling of a hat on my head. Also I like it how hats are expressive piece of clothing; taking off your hat or raising it in greeting. Things that just aren't possible without a hat.
[21:10:32] <yoshokatana> lukeburrage: I used to wear ill-fitting tweed jackets all the time.
[21:10:58] <yoshokatana> it was...bad.
[21:11:05] <creamsteak> I also wore combat boots (nice ones from my cadet days) because they made me feel a little powerful :P
[21:11:27] <yoshokatana> I may or may not own a pair of 10-loop doc martins
[21:11:31] <creamsteak> I could win a fight if I could land a solid kick on any part of a person, or so I felt
[21:12:04] <creamsteak> and a leather jacket
[21:12:12] <creamsteak> I wore the fuck out of a leather jacket freshman year
[21:12:21] <creamsteak> man I had my own whole nerdery outfit
[21:12:29] <creamsteak> I just never thought about it that way
[21:12:31] <yoshokatana> I own a leather trench coat.
[21:12:33] <yoshokatana> ...
[21:12:34] <yoshokatana> ...
[21:12:52] <bronzdragon> Aha?
[21:12:55] <bronzdragon> I own socks
[21:13:02] <bronzdragon> i like to wear them on my feet sometimes.
[21:13:07] <creamsteak> I dated a girl when I had that leather jacket, and when we broke up, she started dating the OTHER guy who always wore a leather jacket at school... this says something...
[21:13:12] <ProfPangloss|Work> bronzdragon: GET OUT
[21:13:15] <ProfPangloss|Work> :3
[21:13:19] <yoshokatana> I only wore it when exploring abandoned tunnels, though, since it was really useful for not getting tetanus
[21:13:49] <yoshokatana> oh, and Fallout 3 themed airsoft games :3
[21:14:24] <creamsteak> cheap levi's, flannel shirt, combat boots, leather jacket, cowboy hat... and had better luck with the ladies then than now... hrm...
[21:14:46] <yoshokatana> creamsteak: you were so punk(ish)
[21:14:56] <ProfPangloss|Work> Eh
[21:14:58] <yoshokatana> actually, sounds very 90s
[21:15:09] <ProfPangloss|Work> Dark polos/t-shirts, nice jeans, loafers...
[21:15:11] <ProfPangloss|Work> I don't really have a look yet
[21:15:23] <creamsteak> it's what I had... I was poor and did not care much
[21:15:28] <yoshokatana> I kinda wish ska or mods would come back, those would be fun
[21:15:56] <ProfPangloss|Work> See, I'd love to take a bunch of money, go out, figure out what look works for me, and rebuild my wardrobe
[21:15:58] <creamsteak> my friends were all black band t-shirts and jeans
[21:16:04] <creamsteak> trench-coats were popular
[21:16:14] <creamsteak> preppy kids wore polos and button up shirts
[21:16:17] <ProfPangloss|Work> Having neither money nor other guys who care, not happening anytime soon.
[21:17:02] <lukeburrage> Once more, into the breech.
[21:17:18] <yoshokatana> lukeburrage: what's up?
[21:17:44] <lukeburrage> Just posted in the WTF thread again.
[21:18:00] <lukeburrage> That might have to do it, because I'm about to shower and shave and go to bed.
[21:18:25] <yoshokatana> ah
[21:18:41] <yoshokatana> muppet was being a KIND AND CONSIDERATE GENTLEMAN again, wasn't he
[21:19:07] <bronzdragon> So you know how in movie theaters, they sell M&Ms in tiny packets? I bought a box full of 'em. Though these are "BIG PACK"s.
[21:19:19] <bronzdragon> I like to call them "normal portions"
[21:19:24] <yoshokatana> eh?
[21:19:42] <yoshokatana> isn't a normal pack the kind you get at the druggy's/offie/bodega/etc?
[21:20:15] <bronzdragon> A normal pack is like a 500g one
[21:20:33] <bronzdragon> I mean the single serve packs
[21:20:37] <yoshokatana> ah
[21:21:36] <bronzdragon> Also, only four orange and four brown
[21:21:47] <bronzdragon> How is that balanced?!
[21:23:05] * yoshokatana makes some kind of "fair and balanced" joke at Fox News' expense
[21:27:40] <creamsteak> back to fedora's, I've got no problem with them, but I want to bring cloaks back into style
[21:27:47] <creamsteak> I want to be "that guy with a cloak"
[21:28:10] <creamsteak> not a daft cape son, a "I'm going to round up some hobbits and fight against sauron" cloak
[21:28:10] <yoshokatana> I once happened upon an old type of scottish greatcoat with no arms
[21:28:15] <yoshokatana> but I can't remember what it was called
[21:28:20] <yoshokatana> sherlock holmes wore one
[21:28:30] <yoshokatana> I nearly bought it, but I thought they were more common
[21:28:34] <yoshokatana> BOY WAS I MISTAKEN.
[21:28:48] <yoshokatana> now I fear I shall never find one of those awesome coats
[21:28:50] <bronzdragon> =O
[21:28:57] <bronzdragon> Make one
[21:29:01] <yoshokatana> (It was make in the 1930's in Japan)
[21:29:14] <creamsteak> I got 99 problems son, but my cloak of protection ain't one.
[21:29:39] <yoshokatana> :-)
[21:30:02] <creamsteak> my halloween options were either white gangnam style or motherfucker with a cloak. You know what I'm rolling.
[21:30:22] <yoshokatana> I still don't know what I should be for halloween
[21:30:31] <yoshokatana> I have so many random articles of clothing, though
[21:30:34] <creamsteak> gawd I'm an awful person and I should feel awful.
[21:30:51] <yoshokatana> old navy greatcoat, japanese formal wear, marine BDUs
[21:31:09] <creamsteak> I do miss my air force trenchcoat
[21:31:17] <yoshokatana> awful lime-green gingham ruffled shirt
[21:31:41] <yoshokatana> Eisenhower Jacket
[21:32:08] <yoshokatana> stereotypical red chinese shirt
[21:32:30] <yoshokatana> I've got a walking stick with a small telescope on it
[21:32:54] <yoshokatana> indian smoking jacket / robe
[21:33:19] <yoshokatana> tom baker scarf
[21:33:23] <yoshokatana> …I have options.
[21:33:37] <creamsteak> I don't know what half the things you mention are
[21:33:46] <creamsteak> you are stylistically superior sir
[21:34:11] <creamsteak> I will continue to pick arbitrary things and parade them about as if I have a clue
[21:34:19] <yoshokatana> Ike Jackets were popular in the 50s
[21:34:20] <yoshokatana> http://www.kshs.org
[21:34:39] <creamsteak> oh my
[21:34:45] <creamsteak> pretty sure my grandfather had those
[21:34:53] <yoshokatana> because http://ejw.i8.com
[21:43:00] <lukeburrage> Good night!
[21:43:09] <creamsteak> night luke
[21:43:10] <bronzdragon> =O
[21:43:16] <bronzdragon> good night good sir!
[21:43:21] <creamsteak> d&d night here in an hour
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[21:43:36] <creamsteak> kinda hate weekday games, I need to take care of so many things
[21:43:42] <bronzdragon> I LOVE D&D!
[21:43:46] <bronzdragon> actualy, no I don't
[21:43:50] <bronzdragon> I have never played it
[21:43:53] <bronzdragon> So HA
[21:44:11] <creamsteak> I'm not sure what I should feel, if anything, in response to that
[21:44:16] <yoshokatana> hmm..I should really finish burning up my BW characters for this weekend
[21:52:01] <bronzdragon> Nah, just make things up on the go
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[21:56:54] <originalme8> By everybody
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[23:49:09] <GauntletWizard> http://www.youtube.com is amazing, and always will be
[23:53:33] <yoshokatana> hmm
[23:53:38] <yoshokatana> I should eat dinner or something